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  • #32
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    I can't be sure but I bet there's a conspiracy here somewhere.

    Probably a zionist conspiracy.

    Am I right?


  • #33
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Nodin wrote: »
    O I'm not confused at all, nor is anyone else at this stage.

    Why do you think that is?
    I don't know. I was hoping someone could tell me. Can you? Can you also list the attacks by Muslims that you have concluded were carried out by "nuts"? Thanks.

    EDIT: You do seem to be confused. You appear to have a dose of the Abe Foxman's and are imagining "Jew-bashing" when it doesn't exist.


  • #34
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Do you find the word "Jewish" offensive? Is that the source of your confusion???
    Nabokov wrote a novel published in 1972. It was called "transparent things". If instead of being a novel it was a list of transparent things your agenda would probably be in that book.

    But then nobody would have heard of that book because a list of transparent things doesn't make for interesting reading.


  • #35
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    It's not comparing like-with-like though. Their have been plenty of attacks by one side and people wonder whens the next. It's news. Nobody would be expecting a repeat of the Italian dude.


  • #36
    tehboz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭tehboz


    on reading the article id say the main difference is between Islamic fundamentalists(apparently sane) and someone who had a psychiatric disorder carrying out these murders
    whereas the attack in woolich was a premeditated attack with a jihadist message attached

    plus as there will be no trial for the Leonelli (the dead guy) no media frenzy will be attached.


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  • #37
    Zamboni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    Western media for dummies

    Murderer + Christian = nut job
    Murderer + Jewish = nut job
    Murderer + Muslim = hardline militant Islamic extremist
    Murderer + American uniform = hero
    Murderer + Israeli uniform = defender
    Murderer + Palestinian = Islamic terrorist
    Murderer + Syrian = Islamic terrorist
    Murderer + Iraqi = Islamic terrorist
    Western democracy = government
    Non western democracy = regime

    Blogger + Atheist = hardcore militant atheist


  • #38
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I don't know. I was hoping someone could tell me. Can you?.

    He was a nut......
    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Can you also list the attacks by Muslims that you have concluded were carried out by "nuts"? Thanks..

    Offhand, I can't think of any. They probably didn't get reported all over the place, because somebody going mad and killing somebody isn't unfortunately that newsworthy.
    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    EDIT: You do seem to be confused. You appear to have a dose of the Abe Foxman's and are imagining "Jew-bashing" when it doesn't exist.

    Well, give your history of remarks regards Jews, and the tone of the OP, I'd say it very much exists allright.


  • #39
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    BB in Zionist Conspiracy shocker.

    On topic. Too big a deal is made over the religions of these psychopatchs, which is what they are, psychopatchs.


  • #40
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    Nabokov wrote a novel published in 1972. It was called "transparent things". If instead of being a novel it was a list of transparent things your agenda would probably be in that book.

    But then nobody would have heard of that book because a list of transparent things doesn't make for interesting reading.
    Thinly-veiled insults 101 by a mod. :rolleyes:


  • #41
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I would say the main difference is that he was not radicalised by some mad Rabbi whereas the two Michaels were radicalised by mad Mullahs.


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  • #42
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Nodin wrote: »

    Offhand, I can't think of any.
    I rest my case.

    Only white, non-Muslims get to be "nuts". Nodin exclusively leaps to the defense of these non-white non-Muslim "nuts" within a few minutes of their violent attacks being raised YET can't point to a SINGLE occasion in 30,000 odd posts over the course of years of any Muslim being a "nut".


  • #43
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I would say the main difference is that he was not radicalised by some mad Rabbi whereas the two Michaels were radicalised by mad Mullahs.

    Could be a mad Rabbi involed too. It said in the report he talked with one.


  • #44
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I would say the main difference is that he was not radicalised by some mad Rabbi whereas the two Michaels were radicalised by mad Mullahs.
    OK, next...
    although had recently discovered his Jewish heritage and immersed himself in religious texts.


    “He started to study the Torah, the Talmud and once he stopped to speak about the Old Testament with me.


    “Then he searched on the internet and saw dozens and dozens of videos. At night he watched films by rabbis at full volume which informed him of what was happening in the Gaza strip,” Ciallella said.


  • #45
    Zamboni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    I don't know about the ops previous Zionist conspiracy theories but to be fair...
    If this murder was carried out by a nut job who happened to be Muslim, Sky News and the red tops would be gushing it out.


  • #46
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Another difference is that it happened in Italy where he did not have the opportunity to kill an enemy soldier. So he obviously had to murder a maid.


  • #47
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I rest my case.

    Only white, non-Muslims get to be "nuts". Nodin exclusively leaps to the defense of these non-white non-Muslim "nuts" within a few minutes of their violent attacks being raised YET can't point to a SINGLE occasion in 30,000 odd posts over the course of years of any Muslim being a "nut".


    Why would there be?

    A few post ago you had no idea why it wasn't being reported, yet now you have a theory. Amazing. What gave you this sudden burst of insight?


  • #48
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    But then nobody would have heard of that book because a list of transparent things doesn't make for interesting reading.
    And it was '72 so he was a hippy. Hippies are not to be trusted. I'm smelling a touch of patchouli oil from you TBH... :mad:

    Beheadings amongst Jews as a thing? Not so much. Much more a Roman, Egyptian and later Muslim thang. Christian Europeans were pretty gangbusters for the practice too. Now stoning. Your Jews did dig a stoning back in the day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk


    Until one of their number suggested he without sin throw the first rock. The killjoy fecker. Ruined my Saturday afternoon he did. The stone sellers weren't best pleased either.

    TL;DR? the world is sadly too full of bronze age inspired fcukwits. Some Christians, some Muslims and yep some Jews too. This is hardly a shock given the source material. At this stage I'm just waiting for the Zoroastrians to go bat****.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #49
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why would there be?

    A few post ago you had no idea why it wasn't being reported, yet now you have a theory. Amazing. What gave you this sudden burst of insight?
    I don't have a theory.

    Is this through or false?

    "Nodin exclusively leaps to the defense of these non-white non-Muslim "nuts" within a few minutes of their violent attacks being raised YET can't point to a SINGLE occasion in 30,000 odd posts over the course of years of any Muslim being a "nut"."


  • #50
    moc moc a moc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭moc moc a moc


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why do you think that is?

    Clearly because ZIONISTS!!!


  • #51
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I don't have a theory.

    Is this through or false?

    "Nodin exclusively leaps to the defense of these non-white non-Muslim "nuts" within a few minutes of their violent attacks being raised YET can't point to a SINGLE occasion in 30,000 odd posts over the course of years of any Muslim being a "nut"."


    A loaded question, yet answered in full before the question was actually asked.....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92116850&postcount=39


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  • #52
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I rest my case.

    Only white, non-Muslims get to be "nuts". Nodin exclusively leaps to the defense of these non-white non-Muslim "nuts" within a few minutes of their violent attacks being raised YET can't point to a SINGLE occasion in 30,000 odd posts over the course of years of any Muslim being a "nut".

    Wheres the evidence this murder was motivated by his zionism?


  • #53
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Zamboni wrote: »
    I don't know about the ops previous Zionist conspiracy theories but to be fair...
    If this murder was carried out by a nut job who happened to be Muslim, Sky News and the red tops would be gushing it out.
    All non-existent "jew-bashing" aside it is this contrast that I was trying to get an explanation for. Proximity only very partially explains it."Zionist Jew" is no more "bashing" than "Islamic extremist" - and given the respective contexts both are extremely accurate based on the known facts.


  • #54
    RGDATA!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I agree, though I don't recall this argument being put forward with any frequency or conviction with Woolwich. I am trying to establish what the difference is, and if there is none, or it is minimal why it treated differently.

    The difference is the Woolwich killing was overtly religiously/politically motivated?

    The scant details in the story you posted suggest that this guy was also a religious nut, but there's no suggestion of a religious/political motive for this killing.

    It's probably fair to say that had he been muslim it might have got more notice or comment here, which is to say I'd agree there's probably a tendency for parts of the media here to stoke panic about Islam.

    But there again, in the case of beheading in London last week (which seems a better comparison to this story than Woolwich), the fact that the alleged killer happens to be from a muslim background doesn't seem to have been unnecessarily focussed on, and thankfully so because there isn't any obvious political or religious motive there either.


  • #55
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    Wheres the evidence this murder was motivated by his zionism?
    Where is the proof he was mentally ill?


  • #56
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    RGDATA! wrote: »
    The difference is the Woolwich killing was overtly religiously/politically motivated?

    The scant details in the story you posted suggest that this guy was also a religious nut, but there's no suggestion of a religious/political motive for this killing.

    It's probably fair to say that had he been muslim it might have got more notice or comment here, which is to say I'd agree there's probably a tendency for parts of the media here to stoke panic about Islam.

    But there again, in the case of beheading in London last week (which seems a better comparison to this story than Woolwich), the fact that the alleged killer happens to be from a muslim background doesn't seem to have been unnecessarily focussed on, and thankfully so because there isn't any obvious political or religious motive there either.
    From what we know he did want to kill for his religion/state. He was chomping at the bit.


  • #57
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Where is the proof he was mentally ill?


    ...in the article you posted..........you may have missed it in the excitement of seeing "Jew" up near the top.

    "He had suffered a “huge breakdown” following the death of his girlfriend, Ciallella said, and moved in with his mother. She, however, had a stroke and Leonelli’s sister had taken over the house, allegedly forcing him to move to his father’s home and later a student house.
    Leonelli’s former colleague had agreed to take him in over the summer months, housing him in a building separate to the main house, although became aware of his increasingly strange behaviour.
    “One day I saw him training in the garden and doing strange somersaults...he had a knife in his hand. When he saw that I was watching him, he hid himself as if he was a thief,” Ciallella said.
    In two months Leonelli never left the house and would pass almost all of his time in his room, “surrounded by energy drinks”.
    Despite early reports that Martseniuk was murdered after she rejected Leonelli’s advances, Ciallella ruled this out and said he rarely entered the main house where the maid slept.
    He did, however, say that he had been contacted by Martseniuk the night before she was murdered, with a text message that read: “I’m scared of Federico.” Ciallella said he only saw the message on Sunday morning, when she was killed, and thought phone calls he received later that day from friends about the crime were “a joke”.
    http://www.thelocal.it/20140826/man-who-beheaded-maid-wanted-to-fight-hamas


  • #58
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    First off, let's focus on the story of Asya King. Similar occurrences have happened in Germany and France and other European countries but they didn't gain mainstream worldwide media traction. Now, we could assume some sort of religious or racist conspiracy or we could acknowledge that the UK has far more international media clout than germany or france. Most of us in Ireland rarely even hear what is happening in Germany. Murders occurs there don't they?

    The UK is our neighbour, it's also a huge presence in the english speaking media. So anything that happens there is always, unless we're talking a world war like event, going to take precedent over what happens in Italy.

    That said, the spirit of the OP's point has some merit had this been a killing by a muslim it'd be more likely to appear on our radiowaves than any other religious group. However, it should also be noted that gay people, other minority 'topical' groups all experience the same media presumptions. It's the media, they like to be topical after all.

    This is nothing about the world favouring jews or muslims. In fact, if one is to be objective about it the world really favours neither. Jews tend to be a minority compared to muslims so you could argue by popularity that the world favours muslims over jews.


  • #59
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Most of us in Ireland rarely even hear what is happening in Germany. Murders occurs there don't they?

    The only stories I hear out of Germany are about cannibalism.


  • #60
    Supergurrier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,295 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    My god is more peaceful and loving than your god.

    I will kill you in his name !


    Also Lizard people


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  • #61
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    The only stories I hear out of Germany are about cannibalism.


    That's true. Seems to be a thing whereby they pick up on that, but often not far odder stuff.


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