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irishfeen · 06-09-2014 06:11PM

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/508276555798573056

I assume Mr Murdoch is slightly upset over the reported Sunday Times poll to be published tomorrow ... I just wonder have the Yes side pulled ahead :eek:

LiveIsLife · 06-09-2014 06:47PM

Which would be better for the yes side, pull ahead now or keep it tight right up to voting day?

irishfeen · 06-09-2014 06:50PM

LiveIsLife wrote: »

Which would be better for the yes side, pull ahead now or keep it tight right up to voting day?

Pull away I would imagine, although if Yes is ahead at this stage the No side might find it very hard to claw it back.

Iwasfrozen · 06-09-2014 06:51PM

LiveIsLife wrote: »

Which would be better for the yes side, pull ahead now or keep it tight right up to voting day?

I would say keeping it tight would be better for the yes side as up to now the no side would have been complacent.

Santa Cruz · 06-09-2014 06:54PM

This guy is voting NO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_JS5WCO31Y

Santa Cruz · 06-09-2014 07:00PM

EunanMac wrote: »

Someone should have told Thatcher that before her famous Falklands speech.
I wonder how they would have got on out there without the Scottish regiments, which were pivotal in the battles.

A handy supply of cannon fodder for the English masters over the years

LiveIsLife · 06-09-2014 07:15PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I would say keeping it tight would be better for the yes side as up to now the no side would have been complacent.

That would be my thinking too, plus things change when your in the lead

Fratton Fred · 06-09-2014 07:50PM

EunanMac wrote: »

I wonder how they would have got on out there without the Scottish regiments, which were pivotal in the battles.

The Royal Marines and the Parachute Regiment?

Scottie99 · 06-09-2014 07:57PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Any opinion polls out this weekend I wonder?

New polls out tomorrow say #voteyes are leading by 3 points:D

In reality it's probably 10/15points

Michael D Not Higgins · 06-09-2014 08:43PM

Lovely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

Scottie99 · 06-09-2014 09:11PM

irishfeen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/508276555798573056

I assume Mr Murdoch is slightly upset over the reported Sunday Times poll to be published tomorrow ... I just wonder have the Yes side pulled ahead :eek:

Scotland has always been Labour. Unfortunately it's the rUK Labour which has moved towards the centre

EunanMac · 06-09-2014 09:35PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The Royal Marines and the Parachute Regiment?

You don't remember the Scots Guards and Tumbledown ?
Oh that's right, Scottish sacrifice and service doesn't count

pablomakaveli · 06-09-2014 09:36PM

EunanMac wrote: »

You don't remember the Scots Guards and Tumbledown ?
Oh that's right, Scottish sacrifice and service doesn't count

They do but they were just one of a number of regiments that were crucial.

EunanMac · 06-09-2014 09:36PM

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

Some pals for Fred ! The classy products of the Union !

irishfeen · 06-09-2014 09:47PM

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/508353366154833922

And there you have it :eek: ... now the fun going to start.

A Dub in Glasgo · 06-09-2014 09:52PM

Well well well

Expect to see a story about Godzilla attacking Edinburgh should the vote be Yes

Scottie99 · 06-09-2014 09:52PM

EunanMac wrote: »

Some pals for Fred ! The classy products of the Union !

irishfeen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/508353366154833922

And there you have it :eek: ... now the fun going to start.

Yep they're getting desperate. They're talk in tomorrow's papers of a Federalism deal for Scotland. Stinks because they rejected the Devomax option on the ballot paper, now this...

irishfeen · 06-09-2014 09:59PM

Scottie99 wrote: »

Yep they're getting desperate. They're talk in tomorrow's papers of a Federalism deal for Scotland. Stinks because they rejected the Devomax option on the ballot paper, now this...

You see if London starts messing around offering more then even a week ago then people might ask themselves - WTF why weren't we offered this all along? ... it could actually help the YES side... NO have to thread very lightly now.

A Dub in Glasgo · 06-09-2014 10:07PM

Tomorrows Mail

Ed Miliband : We'll put GUARDS on Scottish border

EunanMac · 06-09-2014 10:12PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Tomorrows Mail

Threatening the Scots ?, my he is getting desperate.
The No campaign are fecked now if they are resorting to this.

irishfeen · 06-09-2014 10:16PM

EunanMac wrote: »

Threatening the Scots ?, my he is getting desperate.
The No campaign are fecked now if they are resorting to this.

Yep if they go down the fear route it could spectacularly backfire.

LiveIsLife · 06-09-2014 10:17PM

I can't believe he's threatening border controls, he looks comical but is he actually that stupid?

A Dub in Glasgo · 06-09-2014 10:18PM

EunanMac wrote: »

my he is getting desperate.

Indeed, he was at a Miners welfare club about 3 miles from me a couple of days ago lovebombing the Scottish Labour folk

irishfeen · 06-09-2014 10:19PM

LiveIsLife wrote: »

I can't believe he's threatening border controls, he looks comical but is he actually that stupid?

The YES side could really make hay now with that sort of talk ... England stopping citizens with British passports visiting the seat of the commonwealth ... Etc - the NO side seems to be completely losing the plot.

smcgiff · 06-09-2014 10:21PM

irishfeen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/508353366154833922

And there you have it :eek: ... now the fun going to start.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

It's not so much that there's a poll showing a majority yes vote - that's noteworthy enough. But, this poll from the YouGov, which showed 19% lead back in June is some turnaround!

BonnieSituation · 06-09-2014 10:23PM

Headline on Sunday Times making the Twitter rounds.

https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/508355067016396800

Dozen Wicked Words · 06-09-2014 10:25PM

Unusual that people are taking a Daily Mail headline as a basis for discussion since they usually bear little resemblance to the actual content of the story. Guessing he said he would consider it, same as they consider everything.

Also, strange to have poll with no undecided option, or do yougov polls only ever have stark yes or no as options?

smcgiff · 06-09-2014 10:27PM

I think a yes poll now is very good for the Yes side.

What ditherer is going to risk a no when the tide is with yes and find they've backed the losing side - it'd be unpatriotic to the new country.

What with Miliband losing the plot I can now see the Yes side picking up even further momentum from here.

LiveIsLife · 06-09-2014 10:30PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Headline on Sunday Times making the Twitter rounds.

https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/508355067016396800

I want to know more about that piece of string...

cloud493 · 06-09-2014 10:46PM

Thought this was interesting

I am a Norwegian who has been living in the UK for ten years and I understand the SNP looks at Norway as an example of how Scotland will be after independence. I have a number of friends in Scotland, love a good whisky and think the Scottish Highlands rival the beauty of my native country.

However, when pro-independence Scots look to Norway as a role model it’s obvious that they only see what they want to see and largely ignore the facts. It took us a long time to accumulate the wealth we now enjoy, and it wasn’t just a result of oil. Remember also that Norway voted on its independence in 1814, and the financial depression in the years that followed was the worst on record.

Our GDP per capita was consistently lower than Sweden, Denmark and indeed the United Kingdom every year since records began in the early 1800s until 1974. The few things that kept us going were unity, national pride and stupidity.

If Scots are willing to go through decades of hardship in order to build their own country, then fine, but no-one should assume that independence is a silver bullet that will automatically transform Scotland into Norway.

It is also worth considering the downsides of living in such a wealthy country as consumer prices in Norway are astronomical. VAT stands at 25 per cent, you pay £9 for a pint in the pub, and the price for a new, five-door Vauxhall Corsa is £20,490 (in the UK the same car is £9,600).

This is fine if you are a top earner, but I am sure no-one in Scotland believes that becoming independent will automatically lead to an accumulation of enormous personal wealth for the entire population.

Finally, if an independent Scotland succeeds it will be because it is totally united. When Norway wanted independence 99.5 per cent of the population voted Yes.

I don’t see that sort of unity in Scotland today, and for that reason alone there should not be a referendum at all.

Haakon Blakstad

Moore Street

London

http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/letters/hardship-alert-1-3438203?fid=12994&isc=1&did=27c713f2ab5ff515a02e357bd17e1b7893758111&ctp=article

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