Murder hate crime (blacks kill whites)

Nodin · 29-08-2014 02:59PM

jank wrote: »

I already made my points clear, care to answer rather than add one liners?
Want to wander away from your simple 'racism=poverty=crime' sum that has been debunked?

It hasn't as applied to African Americans which was the context in which it was used.

You seem to be implying a lack of work ethic amongst African Americans, which is appalling, and ignoring the level of poverty which leads to crime, hence the high murder rate.

PopePalpatine · 29-08-2014 03:08PM

creolebelle wrote: »

Seriously?
I think I'm going to take my exit

With a name like "Sonderkommando" you'd probably assume he's got nothing to contribute.

creolebelle · 29-08-2014 03:09PM

jank wrote: »

a) Then why do Asian earn more than white americans on average? I am genuinely curious here. Why do some minorities do so well and others terribly?

b) A panacea, god no. There is no utopia in the world. I just reject the narrative that often follows a discussion on race in the US. As I mentioned before, similar studies in Australia have found similar incidents of resume discrimination against non anglo names. Yet, we don't have Asians/middle-easterns and pacific islanders trying to outdo each other in the murder rate. Correlation does not equal correlation unless there is a direct link or study between the resume studies and the homicide rate.

A) the Asian model minority has been found to be a myth. White males are still the highest earners. It seems like you're deliberately being obtuse. The answer to your question was posted pages ago. Some minorities do better because they don't face the same obstacles that other minorities have to.

you can't compare the African Americans to Asian immigrants in Australia. A better comparison would be between african Americans and aborigines since the 2 groups have similar circumstances which is living under harsh oppressive society based on race that lasted for generations.

I remember reading that there is high crime rate in the aboriginal community. They also have a high rate of poverty and drug use.

The low murder rate in Australia can also be attributed to stricter gun laws

creolebelle · 29-08-2014 03:10PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

With a name like "Sonderkommando" you'd probably assume he's got nothing to contribute.

Good point

jank · 29-08-2014 03:20PM

creolebelle wrote: »

Yes I am. It's a lot more complicated than just group a has better values than group b.
Poverty+racism=violent crime.
Lack of jobs causes people to turn to unsavory illegal activity

What is the evidence for this? Where is the evidence that in 2014 'systematic racism' causes the huge crime levels seen in the black community. As I mentioned racism was directed against many communities in the world and the US, yet most of the minorities have nowhere near the black crime level of the US of today.

Nodin · 29-08-2014 03:23PM

jank wrote: »

What is the evidence for this? Where is the evidence that in 2014 'systematic racism' causes the huge crime levels seen in the black community. As I mentioned racism was directed against many communities in the world and the US, yet most of the minorities have nowhere near the black crime level of the US of today.

....because the communities in the US, with the possible exception of the native Americans, have not experienced the same level of racism for the same period of time.

Carlos Orange · 29-08-2014 03:23PM

Nodin wrote: »

It hasn't as applied to African Americans which was the context in which it was used.

You seem to be implying a lack of work ethic amongst African Americans, which is appalling, and ignoring the level of poverty which leads to crime, hence the high murder rate.

That explanation seems to kinda ignore the fact there are way more poor white people in the US than poor black people.

Nodin · 29-08-2014 03:26PM

psinno wrote: »

That explanation seems to kinda ignore the fact there are way more poor white people in the US than poor black people.

But it's easier for a white person to get out of poverty (relatively speaking) than a 'black' person. You might be reviled as 'white trash' in your home state, but feck off up north and nobody knows or cares. Get on a train black however, and you'll be just as black getting off it.

jank · 29-08-2014 03:49PM

creolebelle wrote: »

A) the Asian model minority has been found to be a myth. White males are still the highest earners. It seems like you're deliberately being obtuse. The answer to your question was posted pages ago. Some minorities do better because they don't face the same obstacles that other minorities have to.
you can't compare the African Americans to Asian immigrants in Australia. A better comparison would be between african Americans and aborigines since the 2 groups have similar circumstances which is living under harsh oppressive society based on race that lasted for generations.

I remember reading that there is high crime rate in the aboriginal community. They also have a high rate of poverty and drug use.

The low murder rate in Australia can also be attributed to stricter gun laws

A) Can you care to show some resources that show white american males to out earn Asian Americans
The last census in 2006 shows that male Asian Americans medium income is higher than their white counterpart.
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032006/perinc/new03_133.htm
There are differences depending on educational levels, some where whites do better, some where asians do better.

The aboriginal issue is more akin to native americans than african americans tbh. Aboriginals account for about 1% of the population and you are correct that there are issues here with that community in relation to poverty and crime. However, there are nowhere near the same crime levels in terms of violent crime like that in the US. True the gun controls are different, but most of these deaths happen by the way of illegal guns anyway.

In essence what you are saying is that the reason why 10% of black people in the US drop out of high school is due to systematic racism, i.e. racism in the public school system? Even with affirmative action?

Compare the drop out rate to 5% of white people. Hispanic people have a drop out rate of 22%, twice that of the black population. Yet, different crime statistics are evident in the three groups. Shouldn't hispanics be having it harder therefore?
http://www.infoplease.com/us/education/high-school-dropouts-race.html

jank · 29-08-2014 03:56PM

Nodin wrote: »

But it's easier for a white person to get out of poverty (relatively speaking) than a 'black' person. You might be reviled as 'white trash' in your home state, but feck off up north and nobody knows or cares. Get on a train black however, and you'll be just as black getting off it.

Simplistic nonsense tbh. Perpetuating the same tired narrative that has done huge harm to black americans.

jank · 29-08-2014 04:01PM

Nodin wrote: »

....because the communities in the US, with the possible exception of the native Americans, have not experienced the same level of racism for the same period of time.

I will use a favourite quote of yours. Correlation does not imply causation.

Nodin · 29-08-2014 04:01PM

jank wrote: »

Simplistic nonsense tbh. Perpetuating the same tired narrative that has done huge harm to black americans.

O do please then fill me in on the truth.

jank · 29-08-2014 04:05PM

Nodin wrote: »

O do please then fill me in on the truth.

"Stop talking about it"

Help!!!! · 29-08-2014 04:48PM

Nodin wrote: »

But it's easier for a white person to get out of poverty (relatively speaking) than a 'black' person. You might be reviled as 'white trash' in your home state, but feck off up north and nobody knows or cares. Get on a train black however, and you'll be just as black getting off it.

Are you American or have you lived in America?

Nodin · 29-08-2014 05:27PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Are you American or have you lived in America?

Are you and have you?

Have you ever lived in China?

Are you in fact a space being?

What relevance does that have to the discussion?

Nodin · 29-08-2014 05:29PM

jank wrote: »

"Stop talking about it"

Not seeing how that relates, tbh.

Help!!!! · 29-08-2014 05:34PM

Nodin wrote: »

Are you and have you?

Have you ever lived in China?

Are you in fact a space being?

What relevance does that have to the discussion?

Well you seem to be shooting down every ones point of view on here that you are correct & they are wrong
If you are American or have lived in America then fair enough as you have seen it first hand.....just wanted to know if you were another worldly Irishman/woman whos never left the comforts of mummy & daddys house but knows everything about the world via their pc
Not trying to be rude

Nodin · 29-08-2014 05:36PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well you seem to be shooting down every ones point of view on here that you are correct & they are wrong
If you are American or have lived in America then fair enough as you have seen it first hand

I don't do anecdotes, generally speaking, so where I've been or not been is entirely irrelevant.

Help!!!! wrote: »

.....just wanted to know if you were another worldly Irishman/woman whos never left the comforts of mummy & daddys house but knows everything about the world via their pc
Not trying to be rude

Succeding admirably though.

Help!!!! · 29-08-2014 07:07PM

Nodin wrote: »

Succeding admirably though.

Don't think its rude to ask if someone has some first hand knowledge of the subject they seem very passionate about

Nodin · 29-08-2014 07:09PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Don't think its rude to ask if someone has some first hand knowledge of the subject they seem very passionate about

....how could you have first hand experience of a nation of 300 million and what goes on there? That's why anecdotes are generally worthless.

Sand · 29-08-2014 08:00PM

creolebelle wrote: »

look at the case

I have. There's no evidence whatsoever to indicate Wilson was a racist, or that he shot Brown because he was black. Yet there are articles and opinion pieces, and speeches made by VIPs, which presume that because he was a white cop, and because the victim was black then it must be viewed as a racist killing.

On the other hand, a gang of black youths beat a white man to death in an unprovoked attack. Witnesses indicate there may have been a racial motive. The only killer jailed (for 90 days...I guess injustice is colour blind too) tries to introduce race as a motive in his defence. But its apparently ridiculous to consider it could be a racist killing for an otherwise motiveless crime despite all that. Presumably on the ground that only white people can be racists.

The same standard of evidence should apply. If no overt evidence of racist motivation is required in the Brown case to introduce racism as a cause, then no overt racist motivation is required in the McDonald's case to do the same.

jank · 30-08-2014 02:24AM

Nodin wrote: »

Not seeing how that relates, tbh.

Of course it relates. Many black people are sick of being treated differently by well meaning but foolish white people as if they need special help all the time. That was exactly his point. The sooner people drop the 'black' and 'white' the sooner racism goes away. If people talk about it all the time it will always be there.

Amazingfun · 30-08-2014 03:05AM

Stepdad of Marine Brutally Beaten in Parking Lot: ‘Painful Truth’ Is Media Would Care More If Races Were Switched

As his stepson remains in a medically induced coma following a vicious parking lot beating, Barry Reynolds told TheBlaze doctors have said there’s a “possibility” he may be forced to live out his days in a vegetative state. That’s why, he said, it’s frustrating to read news reports indicating that his stepson is in “fair condition,” because the surgeon maintains his situation is still “critical.”

Reynolds also alleged that the media would be much more interested in getting to the truth of the story if the races were switched.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/27/stepdad-of-marine-brutally-beaten-in-parking-lot-painful-truth-is-media-would-care-more-if-races-were-switched/

Poor man, truly horrible story

Amazingfun · 30-08-2014 03:42AM

Nodin · 30-08-2014 05:30AM

jank wrote: »

Of course it relates. Many black people are sick of being treated differently by well meaning but foolish white people as if they need special help all the time. That was exactly his point. The sooner people drop the 'black' and 'white' the sooner racism goes away. If people talk about it all the time it will always be there.

That's what they do in France. Evidently it doesn't quite work.

creolebelle · 30-08-2014 05:39AM

jank wrote: »

Of course it relates. Many black people are sick of being treated differently by well meaning but foolish white people as if they need special help all the time. That was exactly his point. The sooner people drop the 'black' and 'white' the sooner racism goes away. If people talk about it all the time it will always be there.

This is totally ridiculous. Not talking about racism will not make it go away.
You keep talking for black americans when you aren't black or even american.

creolebelle · 30-08-2014 05:41AM

Nodin wrote: »

That's what they do in France. Evidently it doesn't quite work.

This. Pretending to live in a color blind society will not make racism disappear. The ghettoes of the suburbs of Paris are proof of this.

jank · 30-08-2014 05:43AM

Nodin wrote: »

That's what they do in France. Evidently it doesn't quite work.

Ah, black french people = black american people. OK.

creolebelle · 30-08-2014 05:44AM

Sand wrote: »

I have. There's no evidence whatsoever to indicate Wilson was a racist, or that he shot Brown because he was black. Yet there are articles and opinion pieces, and speeches made by VIPs, which presume that because he was a white cop, and because the victim was black then it must be viewed as a racist killing.

On the other hand, a gang of black youths beat a white man to death in an unprovoked attack. Witnesses indicate there may have been a racial motive. The only killer jailed (for 90 days...I guess injustice is colour blind too) tries to introduce race as a motive in his defence. But its apparently ridiculous to consider it could be a racist killing for an otherwise motiveless crime despite all that. Presumably on the ground that only white people can be racists.

The same standard of evidence should apply. If no overt evidence of racist motivation is required in the Brown case to introduce racism as a cause, then no overt racist motivation is required in the McDonald's case to do the same.

*bangs head* The michael brown case is proof of excessive force used in low income black neighborhoods. It's a lot more complicated than white people being racist. It's about the deep rooted belief that black Americans are dangerous and violent which is present throughout this thread, I assume most the posters in here have had limited or no interaction with black Americans

creolebelle · 30-08-2014 05:46AM

jank wrote: »

Ah, black french people = black american people. OK.

You seem to think that Jews/Asians =black Americans
Nodin's point is that living in a so called blind society doesn't eliminate the problem of racism

Murder hate crime (blacks kill whites)

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