Apple Protests

House of Blaze · 28-08-2014 09:43PM #1

A protest has begun at an Apple store in San Francisco around the issue of 'a growing black and hispanic underclass' of service workers who are being left behind by the big tech companies at the heart of silicon valley.

Arrests have begun as the protest continues.

Some more information here: http://action.seiu.org/page/s/silicon-underclass

and here: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/08/26/blacks-latinos-dominate-silicon-valleys-invisible-workforce/

Or twitterers search #techcandobetter

I dunno it sounds a bit mad to me. Almost like they think Apple, Google etc. should be hiring service workers for some reason.

They say that 'for every 1 tech worker, 4 service workers are required to support them.' but that they earn less than one fifth the average tech worker wage..

I mean surely having 4 jobs created for every 1 tech job is a good thing?

There's also an element of anger at Apple supposedly (:D) dodging state taxes via tax loopholes which I would say is fair point.

Any thoughts?

comongethappy · 28-08-2014 09:46PM

The Apple vs Android world war can't come quick enough.

Hootanany · 28-08-2014 09:46PM

Samsung

kowloon · 28-08-2014 09:48PM

comongethappy wrote: »

The Apple vs Android world war can't come quick enough.

We're still recovering from the Cola wars and the McDonalds vs Burger King conflict.

The Peanut · 28-08-2014 09:50PM

If the central issue is related to a growing black and hispanic underclass, expect it extend beyond Silicon Valley. It's right across the States. Hispanics maybe specifically in California but non-white underclass is a countrywide issue over there.

krudler · 28-08-2014 09:51PM

According to the report, the median hourly wage in the county for janitors is roughly $11 an hour, and $14 an hour for landscapers and security guards. By contrast, the median wage for software developers is roughly $63 an hour.

Jobs requiring an education pay more than unskilled work scandal, more after the weather.

c_man · 28-08-2014 09:54PM

comongethappy wrote: »

The Apple vs Android world war can't come quick enough.

What about us Windows Phone folks? On the trains?

House of Blaze · 28-08-2014 09:54PM

krudler wrote: »

Jobs requiring an education pay more than unskilled work scandal, more after the weather.

Tis a bit mad alright, it's like "Hey you guys earn more than us... but you live near us... we want the money you get!"

Don't really get it myself.

comongethappy · 28-08-2014 09:55PM

kowloon wrote: »

We're still recovering from the Cola wars

Those were harrowing, tumultuous, sticky days.

Hotfail.com · 28-08-2014 09:56PM

krudler wrote: »

Jobs requiring an education pay more than unskilled work scandal, more after the weather.

In fairness, the difference there is absolutely massive.

_Redzer_ · 28-08-2014 09:57PM

Apple bashing to begin soon

House of Blaze · 28-08-2014 09:57PM

c_man wrote: »

What about us Windows Phone folks? On the trains?

Do microsoft even make phones anymore? :pac::pac:

kneemos · 28-08-2014 09:57PM

Presumably if the Hispanic had a degree in software development he could get a job with Apple?
They're hired by contractors anyway not Apple according to the link.

kneemos · 28-08-2014 09:59PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

In fairness, the difference there is absolutely massive.

Any different to here?

krudler · 28-08-2014 09:59PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

In fairness, the difference there is absolutely massive.

So? the software developers earn way less than upper management even though they do the hard work on that end. Be like me complaining I didnt make as much money being a desk monkey in my old job when the guy running the company earned more.

Hotfail.com · 28-08-2014 10:00PM

kneemos wrote: »

Any different to here?

Would there be a five times greater level of hourly pay for software developers over janitors? Genuinely curious, I'm not well versed in the varying hourly salaries of different professions.

House of Blaze · 28-08-2014 10:01PM

Also, Shock-Horror! Huge corporations don't give a **** about people!

I would have thought Americans were well acquainted with that fact by now.

c_man · 28-08-2014 10:01PM

krudler wrote: »

So? the software developers earn way less than upper management even though they do the hard work on that end. Be like me complaining I didnt make as much money being a desk monkey in my old job when the guy running the company earned more.

This.

When are we gonna see janitors picketing cinemas over not earning as much as Hollywood actors? Big difference in pay packets there.

House of Blaze wrote: »

Do microsoft even make phones anymore? :pac::pac:

Nokia actually. Before they were pumped and dumped. Best smart-phone I've ever had.

c_man · 28-08-2014 10:03PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Would there be a five times greater level of hourly pay for software developers over janitors? Genuinely curious, I'm not well versed in the varying hourly salaries of different professions.

Assuming a minimum pay for the janitor, you don't have to leave Ireland to see that pay difference tbh.

smash · 28-08-2014 10:04PM

They need to just stop moaning about the fact that they have jobs. People who annoy you...

N_GGERS

:pac:

The Peanut · 28-08-2014 10:06PM

The tone of that whole Stand up for Security article is annoying. Every corporation/ business in the world has an " Invisible Workforce". Companies hire contractors. Contractors pay their employees less than the hiring company pays them.

It's not confined to Silicon Valley. The journals printing the articles have an "Invisible Workforce"; they could be black, Asian or Irish. The nationality or race is irrelevant. Sensationalism to sell units.

Iwasfrozen · 28-08-2014 10:08PM

What's the problem? Do service workers expect to be paid the same as educated tech workers? Sounds a bit daft.

House of Blaze · 28-08-2014 10:10PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What's the problem? Do service workers expect to be paid the same as educated tech workers? Sounds a bit daft.

You would think they would be happy of the jobs.

I mean what is the logical conclusion of this?

Protest companies -> Companies take heed, pack up, move off -> No more jobs.

catallus · 28-08-2014 10:11PM

To believe that the hubris of the elites goes unnoticed by their underlings is the fatal flaw in their devious machinations!

kneemos · 28-08-2014 10:12PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Would there be a five times greater level of hourly pay for software developers over janitors? Genuinely curious, I'm not well versed in the varying hourly salaries of different professions.

Five times minimum wage would be around the 80 grand mark.No idea what a software developer makes,but I'd guess half that at best.

House of Blaze · 28-08-2014 10:12PM

catallus wrote: »

To believe that the hubris of the elites goes unnoticed by their underlings is the fatal flaw in their devious machinations!

Oh catallus, you crack me up!

Iwasfrozen · 28-08-2014 10:13PM

House of Blaze wrote: »

You would think they would be happy of the jobs.

I mean what is the logical conclusion of this?

Protest companies -> Companies take heed, pack up, move off -> No more jobs.

Exactly, are these service workers even unionized though?

Hotfail.com · 28-08-2014 10:15PM

kneemos wrote: »

Five times minimum wage would be around the 80 grand mark.No idea what a software developer makes,but I'd guess half that at best.

35 grand-ish, I THINK, is the average.

mickydoomsux · 28-08-2014 10:17PM

Well, looks like the ice bucket things 15 minutes of fame are over.

Slacktavists will have a new cause-de-jour.

Talib Fiasco · 28-08-2014 10:18PM

Something is rotten with the state of Apple

kowloon · 28-08-2014 10:20PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Those were harrowing, tumultuous, sticky days.

One time we overran a Burger King, flame grilled every last one of them, I can still see it every time I close my eyes, and the ketchup, ketchup everywhere! The horror! But some became intoxicated by it, went further and further into the darkness, driven by their insatiable lust for more.

I love the smell of McMuffins in the morning...

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