Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

CSF · 26-08-2014 04:26PM

I loved the Beatles before they were cool

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 04:32PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Suarez didn't go for less than Di Maria.

I have been on the Di Maria bandwagon for years now.

He has been one of the main men at Madrid.

Other clubs hold all the cards when negotiating with United in their current position so we will overpay, if it was my money I would be happier with 50 million but if he performs to the level he is capable of 9 million more is irrelevant in the grand scheme

Is Iniesta capable of double figure goals? Does that make him any less of a player? Is Di Maria capable of double figure assists, of course he is

Ooops, that should be Suarez only cost a couple of million more than Di Maria, but you get the point.

Really? It's been a rather bumpy ride at times.

Last season, his best season, he was third fiddle, behind Ronaldo and Bale in the pecking order. It's not bad, but it's also not 60 million pound good either.

You know, it wasn't that long ago that Ferguson said something to the effect of "Hazard, he's a good player but 32 million?" I know who I'd rather have out of Hazard and Di Maria.

Iniesta isn't the main man at Barcelona that would be the greatest footballer ever, Lionel Messi, but unless you are claiming that Di Maria is equal to, arguably, the greatest midfielder the game has ever seen and certainly one of the very best of his generation, then I think it would be safe to say that Iniesta (at Di Maria's age) would have been worth 60 million pound in todays market.

Smithwicks Man · 26-08-2014 04:32PM

One thing I still can't understand is how United supposedly have zero negotiating power.

You would've thought that any club would have had the upper hand in negotiations with Madrid for Di Maria seeing as the player himself wants to leave an Florentino Perez wants him gone?

If this goes through then United will have overpaid by £30m+ over their last 4 major transfers (Fellaini, Mata, Shaw, Di Maria.

Alfred Borden · 26-08-2014 04:33PM

Great signing for United, one of the best wingers in the world and will offer them some width and pace. Price wont matter if he plays to his potential.

Christy Browne · 26-08-2014 04:39PM

Benatia to Bayern confirmed:

FC Bayern English ‏@FCBayernEN 2m
DONE DEAL: #FCBayern and @OfficialASRoma have agreed the transfer of MEHDI BENATIA (27)! Defensive ace set to sign a 5-year contract.

Smithwicks Man · 26-08-2014 04:45PM

Christy Browne wrote: »

Benatia to Bayern confirmed:

FC Bayern English ‏@FCBayernEN 2m
DONE DEAL: #FCBayern and @OfficialASRoma have agreed the transfer of MEHDI BENATIA (27)! Defensive ace set to sign a 5-year contract.

Fantastic signing

Rayne Wooney · 26-08-2014 04:49PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Ooops, that should be Suarez only cost a couple of million more than Di Maria, but you get the point.

Really? It's been a rather bumpy ride at times.

Last season, his best season, he was third fiddle, behind Ronaldo and Bale in the pecking order. It's not bad, but it's also not 60 million pound good either.

You know, it wasn't that long ago that Ferguson said something to the effect of "Hazard, he's a good player but 32 million?" I know who I'd rather have out of Hazard and Di Maria.

Iniesta isn't the main man at Barcelona that would be the greatest footballer ever, Lionel Messi, but unless you are claiming that Di Maria is equal to, arguably, the greatest midfielder the game has ever seen and certainly one of the very best of his generation, then I think it would be safe to say that Iniesta (at Di Maria's age) would have been worth 60 million pound in todays market.

You are ignoring context, if Suarez was a model player and hadn't bitten 3 people and then the racism you would have been looking at north of Bales' figure.

Again you are bringing up this ridiculous argument that a pecking order is unarguably correct all of the time, I'm not commenting on that as I already have when you brought it up both with Mata and now Di Maria.

Are you making that up?, didn't Fergie pull out of that because of the massive agent fee. Yes Hazard is top class and hasn't reached his ceiling, but as it stands it has to be Di Maria.

I'm not sure what relevance your last paragraph has, you asked if Di Maria was capable of double figure goals but he is not going to be bought solely for goals. Also midfielders will go for less than attackers, if the best midfielders in the world all moved clubs today I'm almost certain they would all be less than 50 million pounds.

CSF · 26-08-2014 05:08PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

You are ignoring context, if Suarez was a model player and hadn't bitten 3 people and then the racism you would have been looking at north of Bales' figure.

Again you are bringing up this ridiculous argument that a pecking order is unarguably correct all of the time, I'm not commenting on that as I already have when you brought it up both with Mata and now Di Maria.

Are you making that up?, didn't Fergie pull out of that because of the massive agent fee. Yes Hazard is top class and hasn't reached his ceiling, but as it stands it has to be Di Maria.

I'm not sure what relevance your last paragraph has, you asked if Di Maria was capable of double figure goals but he is not going to be bought solely for goals. Also midfielders will go for less than attackers, if the best midfielders in the world all moved clubs today I'm almost certain they would all be less than 50 million pounds.

Di Maria is not better than Hazard. There is no way in hell you would be saying this if he wasn't joining United.

Turtwig · 26-08-2014 05:11PM

Ronaldo's mere presence near the half way line provides defence to real Madrid during corners. No team can actually commit heavily to a corner without have the serious threat of a counter attack facing them.

Rayne Wooney · 26-08-2014 05:14PM

CSF wrote: »

Di Maria is not better than Hazard. There is no way in hell you would be saying this if he wasn't joining United.

I said he was better than Bale a year ago, obviously I can see into the future and knew he was going to sign for United

Fescue · 26-08-2014 05:15PM

CSF wrote: »

Di Maria is not better than Hazard. There is no way in hell you would be saying this if he wasn't joining United.

I would have Di Maria ahead of Hazard, definitely. I dare say Mourinho would too.

CSF · 26-08-2014 05:15PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I said he was better than Bale a year ago, obviously I can see into the future back then and knew he was going to sign for United

Can I see where you said this?

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 05:16PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

You are ignoring context, if Suarez was a model player and hadn't bitten 3 people and then the racism you would have been looking at north of Bales' figure.

Again you are bringing up this ridiculous argument that a pecking order is unarguably correct all of the time, I'm not commenting on that as I already have when you brought it up both with Mata and now Di Maria.

Are you making that up?, didn't Fergie pull out of that because of the massive agent fee. Yes Hazard is top class and hasn't reached his ceiling, but as it stands it has to be Di Maria.

I'm not sure what relevance your last paragraph has, you asked if Di Maria was capable of double figure goals but he is not going to be bought solely for goals. Also midfielders will go for less than attackers, if the best midfielders in the world all moved clubs today I'm almost certain they would all be less than 50 million pounds.

Ah unfortunately I don't accept "what ifs" as a valid argument.

Pecking orders are pretty steady and consistent things. Eg. during their shared time at Real Madrid, Ozil would have been ahead of Di Maria in the pecking order, however Ozil moved to Arsenal thus allowing Di Maria to move up the pecking order, however the signing of Bale meant that Di Maria remained in the same position in the Real Madrid pecking order as he had been in when the Summer began. I'll make it simple, has Di Maria ever received top billing over Ronaldo? Has he ever received top billing over Bale? Over Ozil?

No, that's a quote, if I cared more about this I would find the exact statement but it's certainly out there. I'm not entirely sure how Di Maria is being chosen ahead of Hazard but I will smile and slowly back-peddle away now.

Rayne Wooney · 26-08-2014 05:19PM

CSF wrote: »

Can I see where you said this?

I'm on a phone so can't go looking, it was sometime last year when United were linked with Bale if I'm not mistaken

Will I Amnt · 26-08-2014 05:20PM

CSF wrote: »

Di Maria is not better than Hazard.

Many people would disagree with you there and they wouldn't be just United fans.

CSF · 26-08-2014 05:21PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Many people would disagree with you there and they wouldn't be just United fans.

I'd love to hear from them and have them explain why they think this way

CSF · 26-08-2014 05:21PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I'm on a phone so can't go looking, it was sometime last year when United were linked with Bale if I'm not mistaken

I'd genuinely love to see the quote when you have a chance

RasTa · 26-08-2014 05:22PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I'll make it simple, has Di Maria ever received top billing over Ronaldo? Has he ever received top billing over Bale? Over Ozil?

No, that's a quote, if I cared more about this I would find the exact statement but it's certainly out there. I'm not entirely sure how Di Maria is being chosen ahead of Hazard but I will smile and slowly back-peddle away now.

Yeah in the CL final... Countless other times playing for Real, copa Del Ray final beating Barca last year being another example

CSF · 26-08-2014 05:23PM

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah in the CL final... Countless other times playing for Real, copa Del Ray final beating Barca last year being another example

That's just him having a good game though. That's not the same as being better over the course of a season

Rayne Wooney · 26-08-2014 05:24PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Ah unfortunately I don't accept "what ifs" as a valid argument.

Pecking orders are pretty steady and consistent things. Eg. during their shared time at Real Madrid, Ozil would have been ahead of Di Maria in the pecking order, however Ozil moved to Arsenal thus allowing Di Maria to move up the pecking order, however the signing of Bale meant that Di Maria remained in the same position in the Real Madrid pecking order as he had been in when the Summer began. I'll make it simple, has Di Maria ever received top billing over Ronaldo? Has he ever received top billing over Bale? Over Ozil?

No, that's a quote, if I cared more about this I would find the exact statement but it's certainly out there. I'm not entirely sure how Di Maria is being chosen ahead of Hazard but I will smile and slowly back-peddle away now.

Were you not saying on the last page that Bale could take the mantle if Ronaldo leaves, is that not an opinion masqueraded as massive if argument?

smileyj1987 · 26-08-2014 05:25PM

I can safely say di Maria will be a great piece of business for man utd and no one can say otherwise .

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 05:26PM

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah in the CL final... Countless other times playing for Real, copa Del Ray final beating Barca last year being another example

You've confused performance with billing. I mean Alex Song might have been MOTM once in his Barcelona career, it doesn't mean he was the main man in the team or the player who the system is essentially built around, it means he had a good game. Since Ronaldo joined Real Madrid, the side has been built around him and his goal return justifies that, Bale last season also took on a more prominent role in the Real Madrid attack and his stats and performances justify that, just as Ozil's stats and figures justify his more prominent role as the main creator at Real Madrid ahead of Di Maria during his time there. I'm not saying that Di Maria never plays well, I'm not insane.

CSF · 26-08-2014 05:27PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I can safely say di Maria will be a great piece of business for man utd and no one can say otherwise .

Ok

RayCun · 26-08-2014 05:27PM

Do Madrid publish this pecking order before every game?
"tonight our star player is ... With support from... Also appearing will be these geeks...."

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 05:27PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Were you not saying on the last page that Bale could take the mantle if Ronaldo leaves, is that not an opinion masqueraded as massive if argument?

However mine is cemented in reality given that we can clearly see what Bale will be tasked with taking on Ronaldo's mantle when Ronaldo leaves. Yours was an entirely hypothetical situation that would require an entire alternate reality to exist (one in which Suarez doesn't bite people) in order for it to be possible.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 05:28PM

RayCun wrote: »

Do Madrid publish this pecking order before every game?
"tonight our star player is ... With support from... Also appearing will be these geeks...."

Yes they do, it's called the team sheet.

RasTa · 26-08-2014 05:29PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Since Ronaldo joined Real Madrid, the side has been built around him and his goal return justifies that, Bale last season also took on a more prominent role in the Real Madrid attack and his stats and performances justify that, just as Ozil's stats and figures justify his more prominent role as the main creator at Real Madrid ahead of Di Maria during his time there. I'm not saying that Di Maria never plays well, I'm not insane.

Going by this logic, Neymar isn't in the top bracket.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 05:31PM

RasTa wrote: »

Going by this logic, Neymar isn't in the top bracket.

Oh he is, main man for Brazil and likely to be the one who becomes the centerpiece of the Barcelona attack once Messi is done.

RasTa · 26-08-2014 05:32PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Oh he is, main man for Brazil and likely to be the one who becomes the centerpiece of the Barcelona attack once Messi is done.

No that would be Suarez. Anyway it's a team game so debating this with you is as pointless as usual.

Blatter · 26-08-2014 05:32PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Oh he is, main man for Brazil and likely to be the one who becomes the centerpiece of the Barcelona attack once Messi is done.

I think you misunderstood what RasTa said. He wasn't saying Neymar isn't top bracket, he was saying going by your pecking order logic, he isn't in the top bracket.

Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

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