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Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

DoctorGonzo08

With the season coming to an end, and talk starting within the Club Threads, I thought it might be an idea to set up a dedicated thread for the Summer Shopping!

Rumours/Prediction that seem most consistant are as follows:

Man Utd:
Wesley Sneijder - Galastasaray to Man Utd
Everton Ribeiro - Cruzeiro to Man Utd
Ilkay Gundogan - Dortmund to Man Utd
Mehdi Benatia - Roma to Man Utd
Sami Khedira - Real Madrid to Man Utd
Marco Reus - Dortmund to Man Utd
Koke - Atletico Madrid to Man Utd
Luke Shaw - Southampton to Man Utd/Chelsea
Fabio Coentrao - Real Madrid to Man Utd
William Carvalho - Sporting Lisbon to Man Utd
Shinji Kagawa - Man Utd to Dortmund
Javier Hernandez - Man Utd to Aston Villa
Wilfred Zaha - Man Utd - Crystal Palace

Liverpool:
Luis Muriel - Udinese to Liverpool
Micah Richards - Man City to Liverpool
Mathieu Valbuena - Marseille to Liverpool
Xherdan Shaqiri - Bayern Munich to Liverpool
Yann M'Vila - Rubin Kazan to Liverpool
Danny Igns - Burnley to Liverpool
Ivan Rakitic - Sevilla to Liverpool
Adam Lallana - Southampton to Liverpool
Daniel Agger - Liverpool to Barcelona

Man City:
Eliaquim Mangala - FC Porto to Man City
Fernando - FC Porto to Man City
Bacary Sagna - Arsenal to Man City
Paul Pogba - Juventus to Man City
Joleon Lescott - Man City to Aston Villa
Edin Dzeko - Man City to Inter

Chelsea:
Diego Costa - Atletico Madrid to Chelsea
Luka Modric - Real Madrid to Chelsea
Fredy Guarin - Inter to Chelsea
Edinson Cavani - PSG to Chelsea
Ezequiel Lavezzi - PSG to Chelsea
Edin Hazard - Chelsea to PSG
David Luiz - Chelsea to Barcelona

Arsenal:
Maxime Gonalons - Lyon to Arsenal
Michy Batshuayi - Standard Leige to Arsenal
Nicolas N'Koulou - Marseille to Arsenal
Morgan Schneiderlin - Southampton to Arsenal
Serge Aurier - Toulouse to Arsenal
Julian Draxler - Schalke to Arsenal
Demba Ba - Chelsea to Arsenal
Mirko Vucinic - Juventus to Arsenal

Other:
Ryan Gauld - Dundee Utd to Everton
Remy Cabella - Montpeiller to Newcastle
Stephan El Shaarawy - Milan to Tottenham
Jackson Martinez - FC Porto to Tottenham
Asmir Begovic - Stoke to Real Madrid

Long Shot Transfer Rumours include:
Rio Ferdinand - Man Utd to Arsenal
Ashley Cole - Chelsea to Liverpool
Arjen Robben - Bayern Munich to Man Utd

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Andersonisgod

Christy Browne wrote: »

Massively hypocritical and contradicting, so Neymar is second fiddle to Messi and Suarez but he's still top class. Yet Di Maria was second fiddle to Ronaldo and Bale so he is a lesser player because of this? Absolutely absurd

Wrong, I definitely didn't say Neymar is third fiddle, I said second fiddle, equal to Bale, at worst both him and Suarez are second fiddle to Messi but I think Neymar will be the more favoured of the two and is certainly the one with the better long term prospects at Barcelona.

Christy Browne

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Going on the reaction to the Neymar signing (eg. "Di Maria is one of the best players in the world") I am confident that if Neymar signed for Man Utd there would already be Neymar murals on the walls of Old Trafford.

Massively hypocritical and contradicting, so Neymar is second fiddle to Messi and Suarez but he's still top class. Yet Di Maria was second fiddle to Ronaldo and Bale so he is a lesser player because of this? Absolutely absurd

tupac_healy

Benatia done according to Sky

Andersonisgod

CSF wrote: »

But Neymar isn't joining Man United. If he was he would be the new Pele

Going on the reaction to the Neymar signing (eg. "Di Maria is one of the best players in the world") I am confident that if Neymar signed for Man Utd there would already be Neymar murals on the walls of Old Trafford.

Andersonisgod

Blatter wrote: »

I think you misunderstood what RasTa said. He wasn't saying Neymar isn't top bracket, he was saying going by your pecking order logic, he isn't in the top bracket.

Common sense would dictate that you can simple relate it to the Real Madrid pecking order I talked about earlier, simple replace Ronaldo with Messi and Bale with Neymar, the situations are quite similar. Of course then you will say Suarez but PFA player of the year and his remarkable stats will justify his price tag.

Andersonisgod

RasTa wrote: »

No that would be Suarez. Anyway it's a team game so debating this with you is as pointless as usual.

I think you will find no it isn't, especially since I am pretty sure Suarez is older than Messi.......

CSF

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Oh he is, main man for Brazil and likely to be the one who becomes the centerpiece of the Barcelona attack once Messi is done.

But Neymar isn't joining Man United. If he was he would be the new Pele

Blatter

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Oh he is, main man for Brazil and likely to be the one who becomes the centerpiece of the Barcelona attack once Messi is done.

I think you misunderstood what RasTa said. He wasn't saying Neymar isn't top bracket, he was saying going by your pecking order logic, he isn't in the top bracket.

RasTa

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Oh he is, main man for Brazil and likely to be the one who becomes the centerpiece of the Barcelona attack once Messi is done.

No that would be Suarez. Anyway it's a team game so debating this with you is as pointless as usual.

Andersonisgod

RasTa wrote: »

Going by this logic, Neymar isn't in the top bracket.

Oh he is, main man for Brazil and likely to be the one who becomes the centerpiece of the Barcelona attack once Messi is done.

RasTa

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Since Ronaldo joined Real Madrid, the side has been built around him and his goal return justifies that, Bale last season also took on a more prominent role in the Real Madrid attack and his stats and performances justify that, just as Ozil's stats and figures justify his more prominent role as the main creator at Real Madrid ahead of Di Maria during his time there. I'm not saying that Di Maria never plays well, I'm not insane.

Going by this logic, Neymar isn't in the top bracket.

Andersonisgod

RayCun wrote: »

Do Madrid publish this pecking order before every game?
"tonight our star player is ... With support from... Also appearing will be these geeks...."

Yes they do, it's called the team sheet.

Andersonisgod

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Were you not saying on the last page that Bale could take the mantle if Ronaldo leaves, is that not an opinion masqueraded as massive if argument?

However mine is cemented in reality given that we can clearly see what Bale will be tasked with taking on Ronaldo's mantle when Ronaldo leaves. Yours was an entirely hypothetical situation that would require an entire alternate reality to exist (one in which Suarez doesn't bite people) in order for it to be possible.

RayCun

Do Madrid publish this pecking order before every game?
"tonight our star player is ... With support from... Also appearing will be these geeks...."

CSF

smileyj1987 wrote: »

I can safely say di Maria will be a great piece of business for man utd and no one can say otherwise .

Andersonisgod

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah in the CL final... Countless other times playing for Real, copa Del Ray final beating Barca last year being another example

You've confused performance with billing. I mean Alex Song might have been MOTM once in his Barcelona career, it doesn't mean he was the main man in the team or the player who the system is essentially built around, it means he had a good game. Since Ronaldo joined Real Madrid, the side has been built around him and his goal return justifies that, Bale last season also took on a more prominent role in the Real Madrid attack and his stats and performances justify that, just as Ozil's stats and figures justify his more prominent role as the main creator at Real Madrid ahead of Di Maria during his time there. I'm not saying that Di Maria never plays well, I'm not insane.

smileyj1987

I can safely say di Maria will be a great piece of business for man utd and no one can say otherwise .

Rayne Wooney

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Ah unfortunately I don't accept "what ifs" as a valid argument.

Pecking orders are pretty steady and consistent things. Eg. during their shared time at Real Madrid, Ozil would have been ahead of Di Maria in the pecking order, however Ozil moved to Arsenal thus allowing Di Maria to move up the pecking order, however the signing of Bale meant that Di Maria remained in the same position in the Real Madrid pecking order as he had been in when the Summer began. I'll make it simple, has Di Maria ever received top billing over Ronaldo? Has he ever received top billing over Bale? Over Ozil?

No, that's a quote, if I cared more about this I would find the exact statement but it's certainly out there. I'm not entirely sure how Di Maria is being chosen ahead of Hazard but I will smile and slowly back-peddle away now.

Were you not saying on the last page that Bale could take the mantle if Ronaldo leaves, is that not an opinion masqueraded as massive if argument?

CSF

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah in the CL final... Countless other times playing for Real, copa Del Ray final beating Barca last year being another example

That's just him having a good game though. That's not the same as being better over the course of a season

RasTa

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I'll make it simple, has Di Maria ever received top billing over Ronaldo? Has he ever received top billing over Bale? Over Ozil?

No, that's a quote, if I cared more about this I would find the exact statement but it's certainly out there. I'm not entirely sure how Di Maria is being chosen ahead of Hazard but I will smile and slowly back-peddle away now.

Yeah in the CL final... Countless other times playing for Real, copa Del Ray final beating Barca last year being another example

CSF

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I'm on a phone so can't go looking, it was sometime last year when United were linked with Bale if I'm not mistaken

I'd genuinely love to see the quote when you have a chance

CSF

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Many people would disagree with you there and they wouldn't be just United fans.

I'd love to hear from them and have them explain why they think this way

Will I Amnt

CSF wrote: »

Di Maria is not better than Hazard.

Many people would disagree with you there and they wouldn't be just United fans.

Rayne Wooney

CSF wrote: »

Can I see where you said this?

I'm on a phone so can't go looking, it was sometime last year when United were linked with Bale if I'm not mistaken

Andersonisgod

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

You are ignoring context, if Suarez was a model player and hadn't bitten 3 people and then the racism you would have been looking at north of Bales' figure.

Again you are bringing up this ridiculous argument that a pecking order is unarguably correct all of the time, I'm not commenting on that as I already have when you brought it up both with Mata and now Di Maria.

Are you making that up?, didn't Fergie pull out of that because of the massive agent fee. Yes Hazard is top class and hasn't reached his ceiling, but as it stands it has to be Di Maria.

I'm not sure what relevance your last paragraph has, you asked if Di Maria was capable of double figure goals but he is not going to be bought solely for goals. Also midfielders will go for less than attackers, if the best midfielders in the world all moved clubs today I'm almost certain they would all be less than 50 million pounds.

Ah unfortunately I don't accept "what ifs" as a valid argument.

Pecking orders are pretty steady and consistent things. Eg. during their shared time at Real Madrid, Ozil would have been ahead of Di Maria in the pecking order, however Ozil moved to Arsenal thus allowing Di Maria to move up the pecking order, however the signing of Bale meant that Di Maria remained in the same position in the Real Madrid pecking order as he had been in when the Summer began. I'll make it simple, has Di Maria ever received top billing over Ronaldo? Has he ever received top billing over Bale? Over Ozil?

No, that's a quote, if I cared more about this I would find the exact statement but it's certainly out there. I'm not entirely sure how Di Maria is being chosen ahead of Hazard but I will smile and slowly back-peddle away now.

CSF

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I said he was better than Bale a year ago, obviously I can see into the future back then and knew he was going to sign for United

Can I see where you said this?

Fescue

CSF wrote: »

Di Maria is not better than Hazard. There is no way in hell you would be saying this if he wasn't joining United.

I would have Di Maria ahead of Hazard, definitely. I dare say Mourinho would too.

Rayne Wooney

CSF wrote: »

Di Maria is not better than Hazard. There is no way in hell you would be saying this if he wasn't joining United.

I said he was better than Bale a year ago, obviously I can see into the future and knew he was going to sign for United

Turtwig

Ronaldo's mere presence near the half way line provides defence to real Madrid during corners. No team can actually commit heavily to a corner without have the serious threat of a counter attack facing them.

CSF

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

You are ignoring context, if Suarez was a model player and hadn't bitten 3 people and then the racism you would have been looking at north of Bales' figure.

Again you are bringing up this ridiculous argument that a pecking order is unarguably correct all of the time, I'm not commenting on that as I already have when you brought it up both with Mata and now Di Maria.

Are you making that up?, didn't Fergie pull out of that because of the massive agent fee. Yes Hazard is top class and hasn't reached his ceiling, but as it stands it has to be Di Maria.

I'm not sure what relevance your last paragraph has, you asked if Di Maria was capable of double figure goals but he is not going to be bought solely for goals. Also midfielders will go for less than attackers, if the best midfielders in the world all moved clubs today I'm almost certain they would all be less than 50 million pounds.

Di Maria is not better than Hazard. There is no way in hell you would be saying this if he wasn't joining United.