How to drop your crime rate 20% - issue gun permits to residents

MadsL · 25-08-2014 05:19PM #1

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/

Illinois used to have a ban on private handgun carrying, and Chicago required the registration of all firearms but did not allow handguns to be registered, however following a Supreme Court decision, Illinois enacted the Firearm Concealed Carry Act and private registrations are on track to ht 100,000 by the end of the year.

Whilst correlation is not causation, Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

Time to rethink Ireland's gun laws?

roadsmart · 25-08-2014 05:23PM

Go away you nut job.

dgt · 25-08-2014 05:24PM

Use your phony guns as clubs!

AnonoBoy · 25-08-2014 05:24PM

"The only thing that can bring down a bad crime rate with a gun is a good crime rate with a gun."

Or something equally stupid.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 25-08-2014 05:25PM

Relaxed gun laws only have a place in countries where there are already millions of guns circulating illegally, like in America, in my opinion.

o1s1n · 25-08-2014 05:26PM

MadsL wrote: »

Whilst correlation is not causation...

This.

No guns, we're fine as we are, thanks.

Frosty McSnowballs · 25-08-2014 05:26PM

Time to rethink the archaic ban on pillow cases full of door knobs.

Bring that back.

Fighting Irish · 25-08-2014 05:27PM

Kailani Long Face wrote: »

Relaxed gun laws only have a place in countries where there are already millions of guns circulating illegally, like in America, in my opinion.

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There's no going back this either

Skylinehead · 25-08-2014 05:27PM

MadsL wrote: »

Time to rethink Ireland's gun laws?

No, we're already far better than the States thanks. Introducing guns isn't going to help anything.

MadsL · 25-08-2014 05:31PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

No, we're already far better than the States thanks. Introducing guns isn't going to help anything.

There are approx 233,000 licences issued in Ireland for the possession of firearms, hardly introducing them.

pablomakaveli · 25-08-2014 05:34PM

We're fine as we are thanks.

DLMA23 · 25-08-2014 05:34PM

Agree with the OP about the re-think on this country's gun laws, but only when AGS are suitably armed & constantly monitored/assessed in a firearms training module

Skylinehead · 25-08-2014 05:34PM

MadsL wrote: »

There are approx 233,000 licences issued in Ireland for the possession of firearms, hardly introducing them.

Be that as it may, it's not as if you can carry a pistol around in your pocket. Plus that's far less guns per head than the US. Do you actually think that doing this is going to solve anything?

Lyaiera · 25-08-2014 05:36PM

The Washington Times is the equivalent of a right wing tabloid. They refer to no scientific research on the effect of concealed carry permits. The Police Department refused to comment on whether CC permits reduced crime, instead saying that there have been significant improvements in policing. The only "Organisation" that they quote is one that refers to studies without mentioning the names of any of those studies. The organisation they quote, the Crime Prevention Research Centre has nothing to do with crime prevention and more the advancement of carry permits and loosening of gun laws. The Crime Prevention Research Centre is run by a nutter. And the only research he can cite as supporting the claims the Crime Prevention Research Centre make about carry permits is Lott's own discredited research.

shruikan2553 · 25-08-2014 05:37PM

What about other crimes? One type of crime may be reduced but other crimes may rise.

Nino Brown · 25-08-2014 05:38PM

MadsL wrote: »

There are approx 233,000 licences issued in Ireland for the possession of firearms, hardly introducing them.

And you can now legally use them to defend yourself, but not acquire one to defend yourself.
I would be for home defense, being a valid reason to acquire a gun license in this country. If you want one for home defense they're not all that hard to get anyway.

y0ssar1an22 · 25-08-2014 05:38PM

Maybe give guns to the Gardai 1st to see what effect that has on crime. With proper training of course

Lyaiera · 25-08-2014 05:38PM

MadsL wrote: »

There are approx 233,000 licences issued in Ireland for the possession of firearms, hardly introducing them.

We have stringent controls on guns though, and controls that are agreed on and supported. The Irish attitude to guns is far safer than the American's and I'd be incredibly cautious of doing anything that challenges that status quo.

MadsL · 25-08-2014 05:40PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

The Washington Times is the equivalent of a right wing tabloid. They refer to no scientific research on the effect of concealed carry permits. The Police Department refused to comment on whether CC permits reduced crime, instead saying that there have been significant improvements in policing. The only "Organisation" that they quote is one that refers to studies without mentioning the names of any of those studies. The organisation they quote, the Crime Prevention Research Centre has nothing to do with crime prevention and more the advancement of carry permits and loosening of gun laws. The Crime Prevention Research Centre is run by a nutter. And the only research he can cite as supporting the claims the Crime Prevention Research Centre make about carry permits is Lott's own discredited research.

Studies you say?

Mark Gius from Quinnipac University, published in Applied Economics Letters, suggests that this is in fact not the case, research shows that in states with more restrictive concealed carry weapons (CCW) laws there is actually an increase in gun related crime.

In conclusion it would appear that limiting people's ability to carry concealed weapons may in fact cause murder rates to rise. Gius does admit that more research is warranted in this area.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140120095556.htm

Nino Brown · 25-08-2014 05:40PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

Maybe give guns to the Gardai 1st to see what effect that has on crime. With proper training of course

It wouldn't have any effect on burglaries because for most of the country the garda response time leaves burglars enough time to tie you up, beat you, rob you, have some dinner, and be well on their way home before the gardai arrive.

Lyaiera · 25-08-2014 05:40PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

Maybe give guns to the Gardai 1st to see what effect that has on crime. With proper training of course

I don't think the Gardaí want to be armed. I think they see a lot of danger in it. And while provisions for policing are not perfect they're certainly not going improve the situation with guns.

MadsL · 25-08-2014 05:42PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

The Irish attitude to guns is far safer

The drugs trade would beg to differ....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/19/dublin-drugs-trade-murders

Lyaiera · 25-08-2014 05:44PM

MadsL wrote: »

The drugs trade would beg to differ....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/19/dublin-drugs-trade-murders

Are you genuinely saying that the situation regarding guns is as bad in Ireland as it is in America?

MadsL · 25-08-2014 05:47PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Are you genuinely saying that the situation regarding guns is as bad in Ireland as it is in America?

I'm saying there is a bit of head in the sand attitude whereby the pretense is that there is no gun crime, or guns in Ireland. As long as it is drug dealers shooting each other there is no gun problem.

shruikan2553 · 25-08-2014 05:51PM

MadsL wrote: »

I'm saying there is a bit of head in the sand attitude whereby the pretense is that there is no gun crime, or guns in Ireland. As long as it is drug dealers shooting each other there is no gun problem.

What's the problem? Gun crime is low and most of what there is is just criminals shooting each other.

Lyaiera · 25-08-2014 05:52PM

MadsL wrote: »

I'm saying there is a bit of head in the sand attitude whereby the pretense is that there is no gun crime, or guns in Ireland. As long as it is drug dealers shooting each other there is no gun problem.

Ok. You're being disingenuous. I'm not arguing with someone like that.

pablomakaveli · 25-08-2014 05:55PM

MadsL wrote: »

I'm saying there is a bit of head in the sand attitude whereby the pretense is that there is no gun crime, or guns in Ireland. As long as it is drug dealers shooting each other there is no gun problem.

What are you talking about? People don't have there head in the sand about it. We have the AGS for those type of crimes. Arming people so they can shoot drug dealers won't improve the situation.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 25-08-2014 05:56PM

MadsL wrote: »

I'm saying there is a bit of head in the sand attitude whereby the pretense is that there is no gun crime, or guns in Ireland. As long as it is drug dealers shooting each other there is no gun problem.

So do you think that more guns should be introduced to the country? If you do, I would counter by saying that the more guns there are in the country the more likely it is that criminals will get their hands on guns illegally and gun crime will, thus, increase.

Turtyturd · 25-08-2014 05:57PM

Your thread is sh*te OP, stop getting pissy with other posters. It's not their fault.

MadsL · 25-08-2014 05:59PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

What are you talking about? People don't have there head in the sand about it. We have the AGS for those type of crimes. Arming people so they can shoot drug dealers won't improve the situation.

Where did I suggest that? What I did suggest is that the possibility that the person you are attacking in the street, or the home your are breaking into has a gun, has a deterrent effect.

As someone pointed out above you cannot get a gun licence for self-defence purposes in Ireland. I think it is time to rethink that.

MadsL · 25-08-2014 06:00PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Your thread is sh*te OP, stop getting pissy with other posters. It's not their fault.

Where did I get 'pissy'? The only person I see getting 'pissy' is you.

How to drop your crime rate 20% - issue gun permits to residents

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