The Road to the Ryder Cup 2014

durkadurka · 24-08-2014 09:29PM

My read of this is that the only issue now is if Gallacher can finish in the top three ish to overtake Gmac next week.
No other big names in the field for Italy by the look of it.
Otherwise everything done and dusted.

I'm sure there's some stattos here who can confirm?

Mushy · 24-08-2014 09:38PM

USA's first 9 confirmed anyway:

http://www.rydercup.com/usa/2014/team/usa-ryder-cup-points-list?atrack=hp_carrousel-t1_2

Good mix of experience and rookies in there.

I'm fierce excited for all of this to start off.

abff · 24-08-2014 10:38PM

durkadurka wrote: »

My read of this is that the only issue now is if Gallacher can finish in the top three ish to overtake Gmac next week.
No other big names in the field for Italy by the look of it.
Otherwise everything done and dusted.

I'm sure there's some stattos here who can confirm?

I think Gallacher will pick up 4.08 world ranking points this week and GMac will pick up 2.077 points after his disappointing back 9 today. This will leave Gallacher around 10.8 points behind GMac in the world ranking points table.

Assuming the field next week in Italy is not particularly strong, it will be worth 24 points to the winner and this would leave Gallacher needing to finish no worse than a two way tie for 2nd in order to move ahead of GMac.

Rikand · 25-08-2014 08:13AM

Hunter mahan fairly staking his claim for one of tom watsons captains picks after that win last night

Dealerz · 25-08-2014 08:18AM

Rikand wrote: »

Hunter mahan fairly staking his claim for one of tom watsons captains picks after that win last night

Mcginley couldn't be happier!!!

abff · 25-08-2014 09:26AM

abff wrote: »

I think Gallacher will pick up 4.08 world ranking points this week and GMac will pick up 2.077 points after his disappointing back 9 today. This will leave Gallacher around 10.8 points behind GMac in the world ranking points table.

Assuming the field next week in Italy is not particularly strong, it will be worth 24 points to the winner and this would leave Gallacher needing to finish no worse than a two way tie for 2nd in order to move ahead of GMac.

Actually, GMac picked up 2.48 points in the Barclays. For some reason, I thought the winner would pick up 62 points, whereas it was worth 74 points to Mahan. That makes the gap 11.2 points, but the position remains the same assuming the Italian Open is worth 24 points to the winner - Gallacher will need to finish no worse than a two way tie for second.

AGC · 25-08-2014 02:48PM

Yeah confirmed that Gallagher needs at worst tie 2nd

Speak Now · 25-08-2014 03:26PM

I only noticed that Gallacher is ahead of Westwood in the OWGR! If he just came short next week id give him the 3rd wildcard ahead of Westwood. I'd doubt McGinley would though. He's gone ahead of Poulter as well but he's a cert to be picked despite his lack of form. Of course Miguel is still ahead of them all but hasn't shown at all since winning his home open.

First Up · 25-08-2014 04:05PM

Isn't Luke Donald a bigger threat to GMac for an automatic spot?

blackwhite · 25-08-2014 04:05PM

First Up wrote: »

Isn't Luke Donald a bigger threat to GMac for an automatic spot?

Luke hasn't entered the Italian Open, so can't gain any more points in the race.

First Up · 25-08-2014 04:09PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Luke hasn't entered the Italian Open, so can't gain any more points in the race.

But isn't GMAc looking to get his place from the World Points list? Donald will be in the field in Boston next week and plenty of points on offer there.

blackwhite · 25-08-2014 04:20PM

First Up wrote: »

But isn't GMAc looking to get his place from the World Points list? Donald will be in the field in Boston next week and plenty of points on offer there.

It's detailed at the bottom of this page.
http://www.europeantour.com/rydercup/points/

The Ryder Cup World Points List will comprise Official World Golf Ranking Points won by a Member from each tournament in which he participates between August 26th 2013 and August 24th 2014 (or the conclusion of all the OWGR tournaments scheduled to conclude on that date, whichever is the latter), and thereafter ONLY from the Race to Dubai Tournament scheduled to conclude on August 31st 2014.

Important to note that it's points earned in the above period that counts, not the actual ranking in the OWGR.

The only remaining event on either tour that counts towards Ryder Cup points is the Italian Open - the Barclays was the last counting event in the US.

First Up · 25-08-2014 04:27PM

blackwhite wrote: »

It's detailed at the bottom of this page.
http://www.europeantour.com/rydercup/points/

Important to note that it's points earned in the above period that counts, not the actual ranking in the OWGR.

The only remaining event on either tour that counts towards Ryder Cup points is the Italian Open - the Barclays was the last counting event in the US.

Fair enough - thanks.

abff · 27-08-2014 07:34PM

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

I only noticed that Gallacher is ahead of Westwood in the OWGR! If he just came short next week id give him the 3rd wildcard ahead of Westwood. I'd doubt McGinley would though. He's gone ahead of Poulter as well but he's a cert to be picked despite his lack of form. Of course Miguel is still ahead of them all but hasn't shown at all since winning his home open.

I don't know. I think McGinley is savvy enough to know that, whatever the English media say, he will be remembered as either a losing or winning captain. And that will make him choose the player who is likely to deliver the best performance in this year's competition,

So maybe he WILL pick Gallacher if he doesn't qualify automatically. In some ways, I almost hope that Gallacher knocks McDowell out of the top 9, because I can't see any way that McGinley could justify picking Westwood ahead of McDowell.

Tones69 · 27-08-2014 07:36PM

Gotta pick poults anyway for sure

Speak Now · 27-08-2014 09:01PM

abff wrote: »

I don't know. I think McGinley is savvy enough to know that, whatever the English media say, he will be remembered as either a losing or winning captain. And that will make him choose the player who is likely to deliver the best performance in this year's competition,

So maybe he WILL pick Gallacher if he doesn't qualify automatically. In some ways, I almost hope that Gallacher knocks McDowell out of the top 9, because I can't see any way that McGinley could justify picking Westwood ahead of McDowell.

If that happened you'd imagine the last spot would be between Donald and Westwood. Be great alright for Gallacher to put the cat amongst the pigeons.

abff · 27-08-2014 11:11PM

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

If that happened you'd imagine the last spot would be between Donald and Westwood. Be great alright for Gallacher to put the cat amongst the pigeons.

I agree. I can't see either McDowell or Poulter being left out of the side.

Rikand · 27-08-2014 11:19PM

Come on Stevie G!!!

vienne86 · 28-08-2014 07:30AM

Well Poulter is a must pick, and if GMac doesn't qualify, he would have to be picked too. Last spot.....Donald vs Westwood, I suppose. Neither is setting the world alight, but they have good track record in the Ryder cup and would have to be assets in the team room.

First Up · 28-08-2014 08:20AM

vienne86 wrote: »

Well Poulter is a must pick, and if GMac doesn't qualify, he would have to be picked too. Last spot.....Donald vs Westwood, I suppose. Neither is setting the world alight, but they have good track record in the Ryder cup and would have to be assets in the team room.

I think he'll give it to Gallacher.

Jazzzman · 28-08-2014 10:26AM

First Up wrote: »

I think he'll give it to Gallacher.

I'd be shocked.

abff · 28-08-2014 10:53AM

First Up wrote: »

I think he'll give it to Gallacher.

I think it depends. If Gallacher plays well this week and just narrowly fails to make the top 9, then he might be given a pick ahead of Westwood (or Donald?). If he plays badly, then he's less likely to be picked.

He's currently 2 under after 10, so he's doing OK so far.

First Up · 28-08-2014 11:03AM

abff wrote: »

I think it depends. If Gallacher plays well this week and just narrowly fails to make the top 9, then he might be given a pick ahead of Westwood (or Donald?). If he plays badly, then he's less likely to be picked.

He's currently 2 under after 10, so he's doing OK so far.

Local boy, good record on the course (knows it backwards) and playing a lot better than some of the other names being mentioned. There is already a ton of experience in the Euro side.

ionadnapóca · 28-08-2014 11:52AM

I would like to see Gallacher automatically qualify. I thought that Poulter, Donald and Westwood would be the wildcards. But if he qualifies, McDowell is then a WC cert and probably Westwood will miss out. The more I read about Gallacher the more I think McGinley will go for him even if a wildcard is required. Poulter and Donald I think are certs. Donald because I reckon he and Garcia will be paired up again for the foursomes. Poulter likewise, he looks like a strong contender to partner Rose again. I cant see McGinley putting all the spotlight on McIlroy and McDowell in the opening foursomes, when he can go with two other tried and tested pairs in Rose / Poulter and Garcia / Donald.

Friday. Foursomes: Rose / Poulter, McIlroy / Donaldson, Garcia / Donald, McDowell / Dubuisson.
Four-ball: Westwood – Kaymer, McIlroy – Poulter, Stenson – Bjorn, Garcia – Donald.

Saturday: Foursomes -Rose / Poulter, McIlroy / McDowell, Kaymer / Stenson, Garcia / Donald.
Four-ball: Westwood - Donaldson, Bjorn – Stenson, McIlroy – Dubuisson, McDowell – Rose.

This would leave only McIlroy having played 4 matches. Stenson, McDowell, Garcia, Donald and Poulter having played 3. And everybody else having played twice.
McGinley could also be swayed to go with Gallacher because he would galvanise a Scottish fan base and he is very familiar with Gleneagles (lives 35 miles away, lost in playoff at the Johnnie Walker Championship in August last year).

If Gallacher finishes top 10 on Sunday. Westood will be sweating buckets!

TrapperChamonix · 28-08-2014 03:21PM

TrapperChamonix wrote: »

Can't see the justification to be honest.

More sensible outside pick might be Marc Warren. 3rd in Scottish Open, 43rd in the British, 15th in the USPGA and 1st in Denmark

Currently 1 behind the leaders. If you are looking for a form player........

Speak Now · 28-08-2014 03:27PM

TrapperChamonix wrote: »

Currently 1 behind the leaders. If you are looking for a form player........

Id love a form player to get a wildcard, I wouldn't fancy giving all 3 to players out of form just for their experience.

Tiger Mcilroy · 28-08-2014 03:42PM

Tones69 wrote: »

Gotta pick poults anyway for sure

Im gonna get slated for this but hey ho.

I know he will get a pick but he is so out of form its insane and in my opinion could be as good as giving away 2/3 points and i dont think he should be in the team playing the way he is

161st - 61.65% Greens in regulation.
106st - 60%in driving accuracy

When we consider that he is likely to play possibly every match these two stats alone are a huge concern in foursomes and fourball matches ...

There is every chance he will play like god a la the last ryder cup and i hope he does but imo picking a player in this bad a form is a risk and there has to be some objectivity.

Jazzzman · 28-08-2014 03:45PM

TrapperChamonix wrote: »

Currently 1 behind the leaders. If you are looking for a form player........

Marc Warren is 25th in the standings and winning the Danish Open, albeit a win, wouldn't exactly knock McGinleys socks off. Weak field.

Westwood is 16th in the standings and was 15th at the USPGA and 19th at Bridgestone. He's showing form.

With Westwoods pedigree and experience, that's a more impressive that Marc Warrens position.

Arsenium · 28-08-2014 04:04PM

Tiger Mcilroy wrote: »

Im gonna get slated for this but hey ho.

I know he will get a pick but he is so out of form its insane and in my opinion could be as good as giving away 2/3 points and i dont think he should be in the team playing the way he is

161st - 61.65% Greens in regulation.
106st - 60%in driving accuracy

When we consider that he is likely to play possibly every match these two stats alone are a huge concern in foursomes and fourball matches ...

There is every chance he will play like god a la the last ryder cup and i hope he does but imo picking a player in this bad a form is a risk and there has to be some objectivity.

I had a similar post to this typed up a few times only to chicken out of sending it. His form is atrocious and picking a player just because of past glories is risky in the extreme. However, it's almost nailed on that he will be picked and if he does I hope he delivers the goods.

And I'll be cheering him on saying I told you so....

Tiger Mcilroy · 28-08-2014 04:07PM

Arsenium wrote: »

I had a similar post to this typed up a few times only to chicken out of sending it. His form is atrocious and picking a player just because of past glories is risky in the extreme. However, it's almost nailed on that he will be picked and if he does I hope he delivers the goods.

And I'll be cheering him on saying I told you so....

My sentiments exactly.

The Road to the Ryder Cup 2014

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