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miserable bastard farmers

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  • #32
    tomwaterford
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    whupdedo wrote: »
    We're going in roundabouts, if farmers weren't getting subsidies they wouldn't sell their stock and produce for less than it costs to provide it

    they would though as many wont have facilities to house there animals/grain over the winter...
    and besides it is cashflow not profit what will keep a business afloat in short term....no point in having load of money tied up in stock when the bank comes looking for payment...or when other creditors come looking for payment...it is not realistic to say...emm hold on a few weeks until the prices rises


  • #33
    Ditch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Ditch


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    When I can buy a whole chicken .....


    Chicken? You got money to pay for it ....?




    :D


  • #34
    Tail Docker
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    They never have a good year do they?

    No, they don't. Mainly as they never do. And if they do, the next year takes it away from them. Try it, it's a very hard way of life.


  • #35
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Exactly it's the consumers that are getting the subsidies. Farmers need them to keep afloat because the normal Joe soap would starve if they had to pay the true cost of producing food

    That's exactly why subsidies were started in the first place after the second world war. The populace of the towns could not afford food at cost price.

    Governments subsidised food production so people could eat.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • #36
    whupdedo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    It's either too hot or too cold. It's either raining too much or not raining enough.

    This is what I mean,I worked for a farmer last week, all he talked about was "the price of cattle is well back, theirs nothing out of it " I was as fcukin depressed as him by the end of the week,
    but through it all here he was supervising the building of a massive machinery shed to store all his gear in through out the winter


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  • #37
    tomwaterford
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    Tail Docker wrote: »
    No, they don't. Mainly as they never do. And if they do, the next year takes it away from them. Try it, it's a very hard way of life.

    I was once helping a large tillage farmer....who told me in had a very good year
    he said when added into reality...it covered the losses for the previous four years...that is how it works in farming...always trying to keep going for the good year....then when that comes,..all is forgot of bad years and rinse and repeat


  • #38
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    whupdedo wrote: »
    This is what I mean,I worked for a farmer last week, all he talked about was "the price of cattle is well back, theirs nothing out of it " I was as fcukin depressed as him by the end of the week,
    but through it all here he was supervising the building of a massive machinery shed to store all his gear in through out the winter

    Funded by the local bank, which will have him up at 6 for the rest of his life.


  • #39
    takamichinoku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭takamichinoku


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    It's either too hot or too cold. It's either raining too much or not raining enough.
    You do understand there's a balance needed? Specific types of weather have to occur at specific parts of the year? It's unbelievably stressful and you'll rarely get conditions where it isn't going to be raising some concern.


  • #40
    WesternZulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Are there honestly people out there who walk into Tesco and pick up 2l of milk for little over €1.50, 0.5kg of lean minced beef for less than €4, and a pack of potatoes for €1 and walk out of the shop thinking 'Jesus them farmers are doing well for themselves'?


  • #41
    tomwaterford
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    greysides wrote: »
    That's exactly why subsidies were started in the first place after the second world war. The populace of the towns could not afford food at cost price.

    Governments subsidised food production so people could eat.

    but is the day for subsidies drawing to a close???
    with the increased amount of crops etc harvested to the acre....will this not bring down the cost price??


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  • #42
    humbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    whupdedo wrote: »
    Jesus is their no end to their moaning, i run a business and am just about threading water, but if the day ever comes that I start making losses, i go out of business.
    That's no easy feat.


  • #43
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    First rule of running a business in Ireland;

    Only idiots admit that they are making money.

    100% spot on.


  • #44
    Kovu
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    WesternZulu wrote: »
    Are there honestly people out there who walk into Tesco and pick up 2l of milk for little over €1.50, 0.5kg of lean minced beef for less than €4, and a pack of potatoes for €1 and walk out of the shop thinking 'Jesus them farmers are doing well for themselves'?

    Not to mention the price slash wars every year. Remember the 6c veg last Christmas?


  • #45
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,970 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    .Kovu. wrote: »
    Not to mention the price slash wars every year. Remember the 6c veg last Christmas?

    Oh yeah but it's easily done.....producing veg at that price.
    People hardly think the supermarket took the hit on them offers


  • #46
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    but is the day for subsidies drawing to a close???
    with the increased amount of crops etc harvested to the acre....will this not bring down the cost price??

    I'd have thought that would just bring the selling price down while leaving the cost price as it is meaning it becomes not worth the effort to grow the crop.


  • #47
    whupdedo
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    Tail Docker wrote: »
    Funded by the local bank, which will have him up at 6 for the rest of his life.

    We all make choices in life, I realise they work hard like all people running their own business, but unlike most people struggling today in private sector business, they can rely on the payments they get to fund their business


  • #48
    takamichinoku
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭takamichinoku


    .Kovu. wrote: »
    Not to mention the price slash wars every year. Remember the 6c veg last Christmas?
    From what I recall, Aldi and Lidl just sold at huge losses to get people in buying other things?

    Tesco on the other hand...


  • #49
    Onthe3rdDay
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    I worked out one time how much one farmer was making after you took into consideration the amount of hours he worked (and I mean tough work) and cash actually in his hand after all expenses, and he was basically working for 4 euro an hour for a 65 hour week. Other farmers around would consider him lazy as he takes the odd weekend off with the wife :eek:


  • #50
    tomwaterford
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    P_1 wrote: »
    I'd have thought that would just bring the selling price down while leaving the cost price as it is meaning it becomes not worth the effort to grow the crop.

    AFAIK they usually price grain...ploughing sowing etc at a price per acre

    and say if before it yielded 2 ton per acre...and now it is 3 ton per acre.....would this not leave its costs per ton lower??


  • #51
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,970 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    AFAIK they usually price grain...ploughing sowing etc at a price per acre

    and say if before it yielded 2 ton per acre...and now it is 3 ton per acre.....would this not leave its costs per ton lower??

    Not with the price of diesel


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  • #52
    Genghis Cant
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    Onthe3rdDay wrote: »
    65 hour week. Other farmers around would consider him lazy as he takes the odd weekend off with the wife :eek:

    Works 65 hours a week and the odd weekend off with your wife. Some man.
    :-)


  • #53
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,287 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Education goes a long way folks,how many of u work 7 days a week up at 6.30???.im a dairy farmer and do it,great way of life ,all I want is a fair price for what I produce which leaves me some profit.as for our Sfp,you do know that Is also for consumers benefit so quality food is affordable .if they go you will be all eating gm food and hormone treated beef and milk.quality food costs a lot to produce.farmers just want a fair price to make a living to support there families.


  • #54
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    AFAIK they usually price grain...ploughing sowing etc at a price per acre

    and say if before it yielded 2 ton per acre...and now it is 3 ton per acre.....would this not leave its costs per ton lower??

    Ah fair enough. I know next to nothing when it comes to farming. I was working on the assumption that you'd get the market flooded with produce because of this increased yield and that leading to the sale price dropping.


  • #55
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    No, they don't. Mainly as they never do. And if they do, the next year takes it away from them. Try it, it's a very hard way of life.
    It's a curse they pass on to their kids I suppose.


  • #56
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Not with the price of diesel

    buy a fendt!!!! :pac::pac:



    but in this world of increased tonnage per acre as im lead to believe they've done amazing work on beet in last few years.....would the cost per ton not come down (as diesel has this summer) as the crop which is harvested increases *im aware there is a limit to the crop increases

    also this year the people that store there grain and dry it themselves..will have massively reduced costs due to such a good harvest and record low moisture being reported


  • #57
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,970 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's a curse they pass on to their kids I suppose.

    If the kids choose to carry it on that is which are less every generation


  • #58
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,970 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    buy a fendt!!!! :pac::pac:



    but in this world of increased tonnage per acre as im lead to believe they've done amazing work on beet in last few years.....would the cost per ton not come down (as diesel has this summer) as the crop which is harvested increases *im aware there is a limit to the crop increases

    also this year the people that store there grain and dry it themselves..will have massively reduced costs due to such a good harvest and record low moisture being reported

    The fendts lost their edge with the new machine I'm afraid


  • #59
    tomwaterford
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    P_1 wrote: »
    Ah fair enough. I know next to nothing when it comes to farming. I was working on the assumption that you'd get the market flooded with produce because of this increased yield and that leading to the sale price dropping.

    AFAIK this what im lead to believe is the problem-grain is regared as a commodity and sold on an international market...Ireland is a very small player on said market


  • #60
    tomwaterford
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    The fendts lost their edge with the new machine I'm afraid

    ill say no more....though with the common rail and ad-blue the diesel consumption going into the future will be noticibly lower
    not to mention the variable transmissions which will inevitabley become more mainstream in the future


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  • #61
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,970 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    ill say no more....though with the common rail and ad-blue the diesel consumption going into the future will be noticibly lower
    not to mention the variable transmissions which will inevitabley become more mainstream in the future

    They got the engine wrong this time tho. Pure guzzlers. Many were returned to dealers around here


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