why the rise in anti semitism in Europe?

Wibbs · 22-08-2014 05:50PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

So it's not as if it's a new thing. The Persians and the Egyptians weren't mad about the Jews, back in the day...

Oh it most certainly is not a new thing, though I'd strongly argue that anti Semitism wasn't in play back in the days of Persia and ancient Egypt. Far more a case of "those irritating bastards on our borders. Here Ptolemy we need slaves don't we" and they would have applied that to any group beyond their borders, Hittites etc. The records left by the Jews of the time(naturally) tend to over egg their importance(IE Moses and the exodus. Huge deal for the Jews of the time, the Egyptians don't seem to notice it one bit). Ditto for the later Romans. "If you ain't with us you're a bunch o ****" basically. It wasn't nearly as focused anti Semitism as it came to be. That came post Christianity with the might of Rome behind it. The Romans were always a bit paranoid about sub cultures within Rome. Convinced they'd take over(in the case of the Christians they turned out to be right).

When Christianity becomes the state religion they needed to feed that innate paranoia of the mob and this required a scapegoat. Who better than a bunch of people who according to your holy books* offed your prophet/god and who were in actuality a zero threat to Rome(who had leveled Palestine a couple of centuries earlier. Real salt the earth time). They continued to be the fall guys throughout European history. When it suited of course. The ever present Jew, the danger within. This forced Jews as a group to tend to isolate themselves which ramped up this danger within BS.

Then the 20th century comes in and the various "isms" that all pretty much tarred Jews as the danger within. The Fascists and the Communists both. Pretty much everything that jumped up fcuktard Hitler did had been done before. Isolating Jews into ghettos? Check. Pogroms? Check. Forced emigration? Check. Forcing Jews to wear a yellow marker? Check(Way back in the 18th century it was Irish politicians who protested this and tried to get it repealed in london parliament. Later on O'Connell fought for Irish Jews as well as Irish Catholics). Hitler's final solution is known as that because it was the final solution in a long line of historical solutions.

Today? The old enmities come up as before. Israel's actions have ironically helped the cause and their own with it. Vicious bloody circle of historical daftness all over bronze age books written by hill farmers.

*in the books they're set up as the fallguys ina particularly obvious manner. QV the trial by Pilate. Never happened, but shows Rome washing it's hands(literally) of the whole mess and laying it on the Jews.

puzzle_box · 22-08-2014 06:22PM

its not limited to the israel issue , in the usa , the vast vast majority of americans firmly back israel yet their is still plenty of anti semetism in america

why ?

because the percentage of jews who head major wall st firms is huge , therefore during the likes of the global banking crisis, ill feeling towards jews rose

i have a lot of time for jews but they are quite cliquey and tend to promote each other , hence why certain sectors tend to have a disproportionate level of jews

hollywood
wall st
media

My name is URL · 22-08-2014 06:40PM

puzzle_box wrote: »

because the percentage of jews who head major wall st firms is huge , therefore during the likes of the global banking crisis, ill feeling towards jews rose

There are far more people of Irish (catholic) than Jewish 'heritage' in powerful positions in the US yet you never hear people claim that there's some latent plan for Irish world domination =/

The first 3 people in the United States presidential line of succession are all of Irish descent.. if ya want to talk about disproportionate =p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession#Current_order

puzzle_box · 22-08-2014 06:46PM

the last three chairpersons of the federal reserve ( including the current one janet yellen ) were jewish

jews make up nearly 15% of congress despite only making up 2% of the population

the average jew in america has an income which is double the average income

40% of american billionaires are jewish

proportionately , jews are much more influential and powerful in america than catholics

btw , well done to them , they know how to network like no other ethnic - cultural group , ireland should try and tap into its diaspora like the jews have globally

SpaceTime · 22-08-2014 06:47PM

Shhh!!
Everyone keep drinking Guinness and painting stuff green, sure we're great craic altogether and it's absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with soft power.

Rucking_Fetard · 22-08-2014 06:48PM

Anti this and zio this...havent a clue what you're on about.

Doubt many do.

Teyla Emmagan · 22-08-2014 06:54PM

puzzle_box wrote: »

because the percentage of jews who head major wall st firms is huge , therefore during the likes of the global banking crisis, ill feeling towards jews rose

That was always the reason for Jewish discrimination historically, 'they have all the money and they're (therefore) keeping it from us'. If I were part of a religious minority that had been persecuted for hundreds of years I would be keeping my resources close to my chest too.

puzzle_box · 22-08-2014 06:55PM

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

That was always the reason for Jewish discrimination historically, 'they have all the money and they're (therefore) keeping it from us'. If I were part of a religious minority that had been persecuted for hundreds of years I would be keeping my resources close to my chest too.

its not so much about them having money , its about the networks of finance they have sewn up amongst themselves

wall st is jewish through and through

lufties · 22-08-2014 06:55PM

puzzle_box wrote: »

its not limited to the israel issue , in the usa , the vast vast majority of americans firmly back israel yet their is still plenty of anti semetism in america

why ?

because the percentage of jews who head major wall st firms is huge , therefore during the likes of the global banking crisis, ill feeling towards jews rose

i have a lot of time for jews but they are quite cliquey and tend to promote each other , hence why certain sectors tend to have a disproportionate level of jews

hollywood
wall st
media

Did woodrow wilson not sign over the federal reserve to a cabal of jewish bankers?

Nodin · 22-08-2014 07:01PM

puzzle_box wrote: »

the last three chairpersons of the federal reserve ( including the current one janet yellen ) were jewish

jews make up nearly 15% of congress despite only making up 2% of the population

the average jew in america has an income which is double the average income

proportionately , jews are much more influential and powerful in america than catholics

....which is why theres been so many Jewish Presidents, vice Presidents

hatrickpatrick · 22-08-2014 07:02PM

FloatingVoter wrote: »

The whole Zionist tag leaves a bad taste when I hear it. It was used and abused by some goosesteppers in Germany. It makes an otherwise convincing argument against Israeli actions sound like a Goebbels broadcast.

What tag would you use to describe people who believe Israel has a right to confiscate land belonging to people of other ethnicities to make room for people of its own ethnicity?

If Zionism is too politically charged then we need a new word. Apparently ethnic cleansing is also too politically charged and personally I feel it's misleading, as the ethnic cleansing is not the purpose but a side effect of what is in effect an infantile sense of entitlement and lack of respect for the property rights of others.

If not Zionism, what are we to call it exactly?

puzzle_box · 22-08-2014 07:02PM

jews also tend to not work as primary producers , they were prevented from owning farm land and when they moved to other countries , they tended to settle in big cities , thus grew a reputation for making money off the labour of others toil , this is indeed a slur , what choice had they but to provider services rather than be a primary producer

begen and sharon ( two of israels former pm,s ) were big into the idea of returning jews to the soil , both were part time farmers

Wulfie · 22-08-2014 07:07PM

smash wrote: »

Just because people are pissed off and appaled with what the zionists in Israel are doing, it doesn't mean they're anti semite!

When you see their treatment of the indigenous people and their claim on land that's not their own.

Makes me wonder why the Nazis hated Jewish people .

Nodin · 22-08-2014 07:11PM

lufties wrote: »

Did woodrow wilson not sign over the federal reserve to a cabal of jewish bankers?

On the same day he promised the first born of every house to the martians.

Nodin · 22-08-2014 07:11PM

puzzle_box wrote: »

jews also tend to not work as primary producers , they were prevented from owning farm land .....

When? Where?

Wibbs · 22-08-2014 07:13PM

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

That was always the reason for Jewish discrimination historically, 'they have all the money and they're (therefore) keeping it from us'.

A good chunk of that historically came from usury AKA charging interest on loans was frowned upon by the church(as it is in Islam), so the Jews were a handy group to front such operations, often, if not usually in the early days with "christian" money bankrolling them, so when the crap hit the fan the Christians could point the finger at the "Usurer Jew" with plausible deniability, while creaming profits themselves. So over time Jews and banking and finance were heavily associated. Until the reformation anyway when all brakes were off.

Naturally they'd bring family and friends into the business. Happens with many ethnic groups, especially within diasporas. Take the Irish, they made up a huge chunk of the US police force to the degree that a slang term for policeman was a "shamus". Same with the building trade in the UK and US. Uncle Joe is in the force he'll get young Brian in kinda thing. Diasporas tend to work like that.

Jews in Hollywood? Again motion pictures weren't considered a worthy career or business to be getting involved with, if anything it was considered very non U, a step up from carnival worker, the glamour came later. Jews (and not just Jews) went west to get into the new business and built it up. Again if Uncle Joel is running a small studio then he'll get young Avner a gig. Hell I knew an non Jewish Irish bloke who got his foot in the door in US TV because his best mate growing up was a Jewish guy and some "uncle" or other gave him the nod cos he was "one of our own" by proxy. No doubt if back in the 20's a young Jewish lad wanted to get into the New York cops and his mate's dad was a sergeant in the force he'd get the nod too. Natural way people operate.

In many industries Jews have some prominence today because in many ways those industries were considered out of bounds and dodgy for Christian whites, but history proved them to be extremely good bets for the most part.

Wibbs · 22-08-2014 07:23PM

Nodin wrote: »

....which is why theres been so many Jewish Presidents, vice Presidents

My dad lived in New York in the early 60's and a work mate of his he used to go fishing with was Jewish and he was was a big supporter of JFK, as he said to my dad, "if they let an Irish Catholic into the Oval office maybe a Jew is next?". Kennedy was quite the shock for some of middle America at the time. That same mate of my dads tended to have invitations to company outings and the like get lost in the post. It wasn't overt, it was polite discrimination. Apparently this was pretty obvious stuff back then, and this was in New York which had and has a large Jewish population. I'd say in 1960's Texas you could triple that kinda thing.

Nodin · 22-08-2014 08:33PM

Wibbs wrote: »

My dad lived in New York in the early 60's and a work mate of his he used to go fishing with was Jewish and he was was a big supporter of JFK, as he said to my dad, "if they let an Irish Catholic into the Oval office maybe a Jew is next?". Kennedy was quite the shock for some of middle America at the time. That same mate of my dads tended to have invitations to company outings and the like get lost in the post. It wasn't overt, it was polite discrimination. Apparently this was pretty obvious stuff back then, and this was in New York which had and has a large Jewish population. I'd say in 1960's Texas you could triple that kinda thing.

O absolutely. It was only after wwII they started being discreet about it.

UCDVet · 22-08-2014 09:13PM

I guess I'm in the minority, but as far as races go, I have a lot of respect for Jews. If I could pick a race to be born into, I'd probably go with Jew.

Awkward Badger · 22-08-2014 09:30PM

UCDVet wrote: »

I guess I'm in the minority, but as far as races go, I have a lot of respect for Jews. If I could pick a race to be born into, I'd probably go with Jew.

I'd probably go with Elf.

Minjor · 22-08-2014 09:32PM

smash wrote: »

Just because people are pissed off and appaled with what the zionists in Israel are doing, it doesn't mean they're anti semite!

That criticism has been straying into anti-semitism territory recently though.

sock puppet · 22-08-2014 09:36PM

jank wrote: »

You won't hear it in the mainstream media but the increase of immigration by Muslims has a bearing on this, especially in France and Holland.

Really? I've read about it in the telegraph and FT. Hardly the media of choice for radical conspiracy theorists.

RustyNut · 23-08-2014 10:16AM

Minjor wrote: »

That criticism has been straying into anti-semitism territory recently though.

Do you mean that pro Palestinian protesters are being wrongly labeled as anti semitic as that would be my experiance.
It would also appear to be one of the Israeli war machines propaganda lies that they like to put out there.

P_1 · 23-08-2014 11:07AM

UCDVet wrote: »

I guess I'm in the minority, but as far as races go, I have a lot of respect for Jews. If I could pick a race to be born into, I'd probably go with Jew.

I'm sorry but the last time I checked being Jewish doesn't mean being a different race. It's following a religion yes but being a distinct race? I think not. You can chose to leave a religion, tis a bit more tricky to try to leave a race.

unseenfootage · 23-08-2014 11:18AM

P_1 wrote: »

I'm sorry but the last time I checked being Jewish doesn't mean being a different race. It's following a religion yes but being a distinct race? I think not. You can chose to leave a religion, tis a bit more tricky to try to leave a race.

I thought jews were a race as well as a religion.

P_1 · 23-08-2014 11:29AM

Now that I think of it I'm not too sure. AFAIK Israel considers atheists who were indoctrinated into the Jewish faith to still be Jewish so it might be a possibility. Still how do you account for black Jews and whatnot if being Jewish is also a separate race?

Awkward Badger · 23-08-2014 11:38AM

P_1 wrote: »

Now that I think of it I'm not too sure. AFAIK Israel considers atheists who were indoctrinated into the Jewish faith to still be Jewish so it might be a possibility. Still how do you account for black Jews and whatnot if being Jewish is also a separate race?

Yeah Jews are what are called an ethnoreliguous group. Defined by ancestral heritage as well as religious affiliation.

But there are also people who are Jews in simply a religious sense. Not all Jews are Jewish

unseenfootage · 23-08-2014 11:43AM

P_1 wrote: »

Now that I think of it I'm not too sure. AFAIK Israel considers atheists who were indoctrinated into the Jewish faith to still be Jewish so it might be a possibility. Still how do you account for black Jews and whatnot if being Jewish is also a separate race?

It is quite confusing. After reading this : http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm , I'm non the wiser.

I think that it may have originally been purely a religion but in recent times the Term Jew has been hijacked by seculars/athiests/zionists . I don't think the religious orthodox jews are too happy about this.

P_1 · 23-08-2014 11:46AM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Yeah Jews are what are called an ethnoreliguous group. Defined by ancestral heritage as well as religious affiliation.

But there are also people who are Jews in simply a religious sense. Not all Jews are Jewish

Ah I see, feck you learn something new every day. Would the same apply to Christians and Muslims too in that case?

unseenfootage · 23-08-2014 11:49AM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Yeah Jews are what are called an ethnoreliguous group. Defined by ancestral heritage as well as religious affiliation.

But there are also people who are Jews in simply a religious sense. Not all Jews are Jewish

What about Europeans (lets say someone with a pure Polish bloodline,) who practices the Jewish faith and who become atheists at some point in time. Do they stop being Jews.

why the rise in anti semitism in Europe?

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