Feral Gang of Youths terrorising Dublin

LiveIsLife · 22-08-2014 12:40PM #1

Reading this story where the Gardai have arrested some lad that has been chaged with two counts of rape. Fair play to them for clamping down, but why has it taken so long?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/violent-city-feral-gang-teen-is-facing-double-rape-charge-30528061.html

Why can't these kinds of people be locked up for a long time to prevent them carrying out these crimes? They're obviously well known to Gardai, but are often let run up numerous convictions before doing any length of time. Read any local paper and you'll see people in court with 50+ convictions.

How should the system be changed to prevent these kinds of people being a menace to society? With some of them its obvious the only thing they'll ever do is lead lives of crime

wicklowstevo · 22-08-2014 12:51PM

Because as you hear so often here ,( except in anti police threads )
Innocent until proven guilty applys to all of gods creatures

our bail laws are old antiquated and ineffective.
there is a system in other European country's that are much more practical and effective ie spain italy and even france but we got stuck with the british model.

a working justice system is one where if some one commits or is reasonably suspected of committing crime to a certain level such as violent crime or thefts up to say 5000 euro they are immediately imprisoned and swiftly tried before a punishment is set out fitting the crime and taking into account the effect on the victim.

our system does none of this

kstand · 22-08-2014 12:59PM

Nothing that cannot be resolved by erecting s scaffold in front of Trinity College and leading them one by one up to the scaffold for 20 lashes of the birch on the bare - with the girls being thrashed last of all.

wicklowstevo · 22-08-2014 01:01PM

sounds like your looking for a completely different part of the internet

KungPao · 22-08-2014 01:04PM

I blame the lack of facilities for the poor little mites. It's all the gubberments fault.

kingtiger · 22-08-2014 01:05PM

I am all in favour of erecting stocks in all major towns and cities in Ireland, charge a euro or two for a bag of rotten fruit, you are making money for the taxpayer and also giving these little scrotes something to think about

or else something like Battle Royale

CrazyRabbit · 22-08-2014 01:09PM

Neutering and spaying is an effective method of controlling the feral population of any species...or sub species.

.jacksparrow. · 22-08-2014 01:13PM

Dare I say when a certain group were carrying out punishment attacks up north, lads thought twice about committing crimes, it worked.

But they were also up to other activities which were counter productive.

Vigilante justice, up the mountains, kneecap job.

Irishcrx · 22-08-2014 01:19PM

To be fair to the Gardai , it's very frustrating for them. I have Gards and detectives come into my building regularly for CCTV footage of incidents and have spoken to them about catching these guys and the court system. They seem as frustrated as the rest of us with hounding down these lads over and over again , arresting them and then having them back on the streets a year later and starting the process over and over again.

The problem is not all with the Gardai , I can understand their frustration with this. The problem is with the Irish courts system not putting these lads away when they should be and for longer periods. Absolute scumbags with no regard for other people of their lives , they wouldn't think twice about stabbing you over a few cans or a push bike.

Pinch Flat · 22-08-2014 01:24PM

Scumbag city.

http://www.stickboydaily.com/really/holland-to-create-scumbag-villages-for-bad-tenants/

Problem solved

hatrickpatrick · 22-08-2014 01:25PM

Our prisons are too overcrowded to accomodate people who actually need to be there.
It's pretty simple. We need to stop jailing people for non violent drugs offenses and start giving priority to people whose crimes have severely harmed others. To have people in jail for non payment of fines and dealing dope / pills while people like the Ciaran Noonan conspirators get a slap on the wrist is absolute bullsh!t.

Pinch Flat · 22-08-2014 01:28PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Our prisons are too overcrowded to accomodate people who actually need to be there.
It's pretty simple. We need to stop jailing people for non violent drugs offenses and start giving priority to people whose crimes have severely harmed others. To have people in jail for non payment of fines and dealing dope / pills while people like the Ciaran Noonan conspirators get a slap on the wrist is absolute bullsh!t.

People who are in jail for non payment of dog & TV licences and debts do far worse damage than these scummers

Kermit.de.frog · 22-08-2014 01:31PM

Ah leave the little scamps alone. There is nothing for them to do.

flutered · 22-08-2014 01:32PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

People who are in jail for non payment of dog & TV licences and debts do far worse damage than these scummers

whatttttttttt

Irishcrx · 22-08-2014 01:34PM

flutered wrote: »

whatttttttttt

He's obviously being sarcastic or looking for a lifetime ban..

knucklehead6 · 22-08-2014 01:37PM

either that or the fact that they are taking up a jail space that could be filled by a proper scumbag some how makes them worse than the proper scumbag

DLMA23 · 22-08-2014 01:52PM

Moral decline, the ineptitude of the Irish judicial system, apathy & frustration in equal measure on the part of AGS (no judgement here) & a blasé attitude in certain sections of Irish society for the consequences of one's actions...when will it all end?

TwoShedsJackson · 22-08-2014 01:54PM

Shock horror outrage from the Indo as usual. No report of the hundreds of thousands of non-feral youths who aren't terrorising Dublin?

Irishcrx · 22-08-2014 01:55PM

Build more jails, 3 strike system , let the scum rot in jail and kill each other there..

Staplor · 22-08-2014 01:58PM

The Purge is an event occurring every year from 7:00 PM on June 20th till 7:00 AM on June 21st During that time, any known crime is legal, and all services (police, fire department, hospitals and emergency rooms) are closed. It is said to act as a catharsis for the citizens, but in reality, it is used as a method of artificial population control, in which the poorer and homeless people are the main targets.

Seems like they had an idea.

DLMA23 · 22-08-2014 01:59PM

Re-open Spike Island, run it like boot camp, staff it with no nonsense DI's & make them pay for their bed & board with work

Arbeit Macht Frei

Harry Palmr · 22-08-2014 02:01PM

Sterilisation

FTA69 · 22-08-2014 02:02PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Dare I say when a certain group were carrying out punishment attacks up north, lads thought twice about committing crimes, it worked.

But they were also up to other activities which were counter productive.

Vigilante justice, up the mountains, kneecap job.

That's a common misconception to be honest. Nationalist parts of Belfast and other urban areas were plagued with anti-social behaviour and the IRA dishing out justice only put a stop gap on it at the very most. The IRA shot some people on three or four occasions and as soon as they'd have the cast off they'd be off robbing more cars. I've often heard senior Republicans say that long term, such an approach doesn't do much only keep a lid on it.

Similarly the hang 'em high brigade also fail to realise that things like long sentences, harsh conditions and three strike laws are implemented in the USA and achieve dick f*ck all in keeping crime down.

Pinch Flat · 22-08-2014 02:13PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

He's obviously being sarcastic or looking for a lifetime ban..

Sarcasm of course - sorry it didn't come across as that. The feral guys should be the ones doing time, not people who don't pay fines.

Bucklesman · 22-08-2014 02:15PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Scumbag city.

http://www.stickboydaily.com/really/holland-to-create-scumbag-villages-for-bad-tenants/

Problem solved

The problem with that sort of thing is that they're never any sort of lasting or permanent solution on their own.

Holsten · 22-08-2014 02:24PM

FTA69 wrote: »

That's a common misconception to be honest. Nationalist parts of Belfast and other urban areas were plagued with anti-social behaviour and the IRA dishing out justice only put a stop gap on it at the very most. The IRA shot some people on three or four occasions and as soon as they'd have the cast off they'd be off robbing more cars. I've often heard senior Republicans say that long term, such an approach doesn't do much only keep a lid on it.

Similarly the hang 'em high brigade also fail to realise that things like long sentences, harsh conditions and three strike laws are implemented in the USA and achieve dick f*ck all in keeping crime down.

Most intelligent post here.

These harsh measures do nothing to stop or prevent crime. If anything the increase crime rates.

US style is not the answer.

LiveIsLife · 22-08-2014 02:27PM

FTA69 wrote: »

That's a common misconception to be honest. Nationalist parts of Belfast and other urban areas were plagued with anti-social behaviour and the IRA dishing out justice only put a stop gap on it at the very most. The IRA shot some people on three or four occasions and as soon as they'd have the cast off they'd be off robbing more cars. I've often heard senior Republicans say that long term, such an approach doesn't do much only keep a lid on it.

Similarly the hang 'em high brigade also fail to realise that things like long sentences, harsh conditions and three strike laws are implemented in the USA and achieve dick f*ck all in keeping crime down.

The US isn't the only place with harsh punishments thought. Singapore has a pretty much zero tolerance policy and has some of the lowest crime rates in the world

Hold the Cheez Whiz · 22-08-2014 02:36PM

LiveIsLife wrote: »

The US isn't the only place with harsh punishments thought. Singapore has a pretty much zero tolerance policy and has some of the lowest crime rates in the world

Singapore also has a low unemployment rate and a minuscule welfare state. You work or you don't eat, so there is a lot less time for scumbag activities.

22-08-2014 02:40PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Similarly the hang 'em high brigade also fail to realise that things like long sentences, harsh conditions and three strike laws are implemented in the USA and achieve dick f*ck all in keeping crime down.

There's a difference between locking everyone up for minor offences and locking up people who behave like scumbags with impunity for months or years on end. It's a subtle one though so I can see why you might not see it.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-08-2014 02:42PM

Holsten wrote: »

US style is not the answer.

Course not. They actually punish criminals over there. :rolleyes:

Hold the Cheez Whiz · 22-08-2014 02:45PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Course not. They actually punish criminals over there. :rolleyes:

And a fat lot of good it does them - the recidivism rate is extremely high. The US style system is great if all you are into is vengeance and political photo ops, but if you actually want to reduce crime and the prison revolving door, there are far better models out there.

Feral Gang of Youths terrorising Dublin

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