Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

bumper234 wrote: »

And if it did occur that Israeli soldiers were put on trial you would be one of the ones agreeing when they stated

"We were only following orders"

You predictions of my own reaction are charming but they have very little to do with the thrust of the argument now do they?

RustyNut wrote: »

In the meantime what do you suggest the world should do to prevent the massacre of innocent civilians in the Gaza concentration camp?

Well for one thing I might drop the concentration camp spiel, Aushwitz could manage 6,000 dead a day, including body disposal. As awful as the violence in Gaza is, I don't think it qualifies as systematic industrialized extermination.

I was actually in the midst of writing something else for what should be done in Gaza but this terrible witticism came to mind and I must impose it upon you;

How about an election?

It is precisely because individuals took action that the myths that Israel has surrounded itself in for so long have being exposed and their support amongst the younger Jewish population is declining. How and what the Palestinians manage to negotiate as a peaceful solution is a matter for them and if people wish to express their support and solidarity by boycotting Jewish produce or supporting the case for Israel to be charged with war crimes then I don't see how that is worse than doing nothing at all.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Now we can labour the point of any and all evils in the region being the product of 'Zionism', but what exact actions arising from that ideology are we referring to?

What an utterly and completely preposterous statement to come out with. It really doesn't deserve to be dignified with a reply. But one has to call out nonsense when one reads it. Why do you persist with deliberate obfuscation? Yet it does reveal a lot about your own disposition. You might as well be asking what evils stemmed from Nazism. There’s nothing ‘laboured’ at all about identifying the root cause of today’s instability.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Is the mere belief that there should be a state called Israel in the middle east part of this violent ideology that is apparently the cause of so much evil?

It has nothing to do with ‘belief’ and everything to do with the incessant behaviour of a rogue Zionist State. That is why we are where we are today. There’s an abundance of verifiable and empirical evidence that illustrates the malignant effects that Zionism has had in the region. And I'm happy to postulate that you'll probably struggle with/deny that.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

If we are to criticise I think there is nothing stopping us from calling a spade a spade and saying exactly what we mean - to fall back on catch-alls like 'Zionism' does nothing but muddy the waters

Despite your repeated and ongoing feeble attempts to divert away from Zionism. There is no escaping it, there are no muddied waters here. In that respect, Zionism is analogous to Nazism and the impact it also had on its innocent victims.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Also we are also a terrorist founded state ourselves, just saying

You seem to have a strong dispensation for continuous absurdity. If you think a people liberating themselves from a centuries long colonial occupation, equates to terrorism? Then I suspect there’s no point in my reasoning with the misguided ‘logic’ that utters such nonsense. Anyway, what has this got to do with this threads subject matter? Do you have any idea how obvious your diversion attempts are? I'm losing count of how many times you have tried to derail this thread with complete pointless irrelevance.

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

What an utterly and completely preposterous statement to come out with. It really doesn't deserve to be dignified with a reply. But one has to call out nonsense when one reads it. Why do you persist with deliberate obfuscation? Yet it does reveal a lot about your own disposition. You might as well be asking what evils stemmed from Nazism. There’s nothing ‘laboured’ at all about identifying the root cause of today’s instability.

Right so you don't define what Zionism is, you're just sure its responsible for all the the evils in the area right now, what a useful target.

It has nothing to do with ‘belief’ and everything to do with the incessant behaviour of a rogue Zionist State. That is why we are where we are today. There’s an abundance of verifiable and empirical evidence that illustrates the malignant effects that Zionism has had in the region. And I'm happy to postulate that you'll probably struggle with/deny that.

Indeed we might but until you come up with an idea of what exactly Zionism is, were left in the dark now aren't we?

Oh and for the record, some might well say that idea of taking Jews from across the world and plopping them in the middle of someone else land was a bad idea, there's is an idea of Zionism which was predicated on the need to establish a Jewish state.

Despite your repeated and ongoing feeble attempts to divert away from Zionism. There is no escaping it, there are no muddied waters here. In that respect, Zionism is analogous to Nazism and the impact it also had on its innocent victims.

So you can make analogies for Zionism, but you still can't do so much as tell us what on earth it is.

You seem to have a strong dispensation for continuous absurdity. If you think a people liberating themselves from a centuries long colonial occupation, equates to terrorism? Then I suspect there’s no point in my reasoning with the misguided ‘logic’ that utters such nonsense. Anyway, what has this got to do with this threads subject matter? Do you have any idea how obvious your diversion attempts are? I'm losing count of how many times you have tried to derail this thread with complete pointless irrelevance.

Do you imagine the American Revolutionaries were regarded by the British establishment as anything other than terrorists? Or the first Irish Freedom Fighters? There is no easily made distinction in peoples mind between terrorism and freedom fighters, like that old cliche goes. History alone tends to determine who is a freedom fighter and who is a terrorist.

bumper234 wrote: »

Strange


Every time i read one of your posts i automatically hear the voice of Mark Regev.

Pity, I was trying a bit more for Douglas Murray but oh well.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

A shame, I enjoyed debating with you and you raised some lovely points, some of which actually forced me into a rethink on a few issues.

It wasn't really a criticism of you but just that I don't know what you're arguing for.

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Its a pretty incompetent extermination then surely? Last year Gaza's population grew by 50,000, of which the Israelis have killed what, about 1/20th of that? Something tells me that if Israel actually had extermination on its mind, it would be exacting a SIGNIFICANTLY higher death toll.

Why do the zionists limit the number of calories that they allow into the Gaza concentration camp victims?