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Google Maps - Street View - Invasion of Privacy

  • 20-08-2014 10:20AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭


    I would like to remove the view of my house from Google maps Street view as I am concerned about security of my house.

    Can anyone advise how to go about having it removed, ??

    and secondly - why and how does Google have the right to post videos of every house without the consent of the owners ??

    Thank you


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Contact Google. Can you explain to me what is private about a photograph of the outside of a house which is visible to anyone who walks on the street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Conology


    Contact Google. Can you explain to me what is private about a photograph of the outside of a house which is visible to anyone who walks on the street.
    Walking down the street and looking into my garden is one thing.
    Taking photographs or videos of my home and placing it on the Internet for everyone to see (without my permission ) is a totally different issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Conology wrote: »
    Walking down the street and looking into my garden is one thing.
    Taking photographs or videos of my home and placing it on the Internet for everyone to see (without my permission ) is a totally different issue.

    The question is not what you or I think its what the law and the Courts decide. As I said contact Google ask them to remove it and if you have an issue you can contact the Data Protection Commissioner.

    http://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Google-Streetview-reporting-images/1093.htm

    http://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/FAQ-Streetview/923.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Sheldons Brain


    If I am a tourist and I photograph Merrion Square and put it on my travel blog, I don't have to get permission from all of the property owners if they photograph was taken on the public road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Conology wrote: »
    I would like to remove the view of my house from Google maps Street view as I am concerned about security of my house.

    Can anyone advise how to go about having it removed, ??

    and secondly - why and how does Google have the right to post videos of every house without the consent of the owners ??

    Thank you

    To be fair, anyone can walk or drive past your house at any time and see it in the present tense. A few photos from 2011 or whatever isn't really going to do much harm.

    It's all explained here, including the application for removal of images.

    http://www.google.ie/maps/about/behind-the-scenes/streetview/privacy/#streetview


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Conology


    I know Google can take down the image when requested, but my question is more general about where ( in law ) Google has the right to post the images without permission, or is it simply that there is "No Law " against it ??


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    When a member of the public takes a photo, there is no commercial gain there of and not part of a deliberate attempt to invade privacy. However Google are an enterprise and are using such to make money. Hence the use of the house's image as part of data mining operation is of interest. Especially germane considering the use of Google Maps by the Revenue, who have permission to do so by the DPC as it is one of the exceptions allowed under the data directive, offhand in Section 8(b) derogations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Conology wrote: »
    Walking down the street and looking into my garden is one thing.
    Taking photographs or videos of my home and placing it on the Internet for everyone to see (without my permission ) is a totally different issue.

    You have got to be kidding. Your 'different issue' amounts to an assertion that homeowners should have complete control over images of their house, even when taken from a public place.

    If RTE shot some footage outside your house with it appearing in the background, do you really think you should have a veto over it being broadcast?

    Quite a few tourists visit Ireland every year and probably most of them take photographs. Many might post them on the internet, mentioning where they were taken. Your argument would prevent them doing so if someones house happened to be in the background.

    Do you want a veto over satellite imagery as well - which can clearly view your backyard, not just the front of your house? Good luck with that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Conology wrote: »
    I know Google can take down the image when requested, but my question is more general about where ( in law ) Google has the right to post the images without permission, or is it simply that there is "No Law " against it ??

    I think the laws are to protect individuals, and not property.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Street_View_privacy_concerns


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    from a judge in the US where a PA couple sued google. It sums it up nicely
    "While it is easy to imagine that many whose property appears on Google's virtual maps resent the privacy implications, it is hard to believe that any – other than the most exquisitely sensitive – would suffer shame or humiliation,"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Conology


    from a judge in the US where a PA couple sued google. It sums it up nicely

    Yes - but pse continue the rest of that useful piece shown on Wiki

    "Since then the decision was reversed in part and on December 1, 2010 Magistrate Judge Bissoon ruled that Google is an intentional trespasser[12]..... .Some cities in the United States where all streets are privately owned have asked Google to remove Street View images because their consent was not given. North Oaks, Minnesota may have been the first. In that case, Google complied." Is that also "exquisitely sensitive " ??

    read down further - the same Wiki article states
    "A recent demand from the European Union would require Google to warn local residents before sending out the cameras. It also requires Google to keep the not blurred versions of the photos no longer than 6 months, instead of a year. Google was instructed to give advance notice online and in the local press before photographing./COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]21[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc
    In 2010, Google announced that it might cancel Google Street View service in the European Union due to unmanageable requests of the European Commission./COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]22[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc The Data Protection Directive says that digital information about identifiable people should not be published on the internet without consent from those people."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Conology wrote: »
    I know Google can take down the image when requested, but my question is more general about where ( in law ) Google has the right to post the images without permission, or is it simply that there is "No Law " against it ??

    In Law you usually have a right to do something unless the law says otherwise there is no law against it, then its not usually unlawful, any other way would be mental. If you are unhappy you can request a TD to bring a bill to the Dail.

    http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/0/9BD14182C49347BE8025713300410C9C

    "Conclusions:

    I am satisfied that the taking of video footage of the hedge and in so doing the front of the accused’s house is not an act which constitutes an unconstitutional invasion of the right to privacy as contended by Mr O’Higgins. First of all, it is obvious that the front of the accused’s house is something which is visible from the public road – perhaps only with the use of a ladder, but nonetheless visible. It is certainly visible from the upstairs of the house opposite, from which the footage was taken. In my view there is no meaningful distinction between the evidence of what was happening to the hedge in the garden opposite that house being given in the form of video footage, and that very same evidence being given by the owner of the house opposite if he arranged things so that he was standing at the same window as the camera was set up at and observing himself what was happening. He would undoubtedly be permitted to give evidence viva voce of anything which he observed happening in the garden into which he was looking, and it could not possibly be seriously contended that if that person also saw the accused re-entering his house through the front door, and while the door was open saw also into the hallway, that in some way that person had breached the accused’s right to privacy by seeing what he saw. The camera has done no more and no less than that.

    Of course, a different view might easily be taken if the act of setting up the camera in the required position involved a trespass upon the property of the person to be observed. That is a different matter altogether. But that is not the position in this case. The point was made by Mr O’Higgins that this camera in the way it was set up had the capacity to see into rooms at the front of the accused’s house if the curtains were open. But in my view the problem with that submission is that the same arises if a person were to place himself at the window opposite and in the event that the owner happened to leave the curtains open."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Conology wrote: »
    Yes - but pse continue the rest of that useful piece shown on Wiki

    "Since then the decision was reversed in part and on December 1, 2010 Magistrate Judge Bissoon ruled that Google is an intentional trespasser[12]..... .Some cities in the United States where all streets are privately owned have asked Google to remove Street View images because their consent was not given. North Oaks, Minnesota may have been the first. In that case, Google complied." Is that also "exquisitely sensitive " ??

    read down further - the same Wiki article states
    "A recent demand from the European Union would require Google to warn local residents before sending out the cameras. It also requires Google to keep the not blurred versions of the photos no longer than 6 months, instead of a year. Google was instructed to give advance notice online and in the local press before photographing./COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]21[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc
    In 2010, Google announced that it might cancel Google Street View service in the European Union due to unmanageable requests of the European Commission./COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]22[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc The Data Protection Directive says that digital information about identifiable people should not be published on the internet without consent from those people."

    1 its the USA and 2 its wiki.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Conology


    1 its the USA and 2 its wiki.
    I appreciate both points - but its still interesting.
    I don't think my local TD is back from the Galway races yet :):)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Conology wrote: »
    I appreciate both points - but its still interesting.
    I don't think my local TD is back from the Galway races yet :):)

    I accept it is an area that is in flux, but my own view is that when all the cases die down common sense will prevail. BTW everyon has more than one TD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    Conology wrote: »
    Yes - but pse continue the rest of that useful piece shown on Wiki

    "Since then the decision was reversed in part and on December 1, 2010 Magistrate Judge Bissoon ruled that Google is an intentional trespasser[12]..... .Some cities in the United States where all streets are privately owned have asked Google to remove Street View images because their consent was not given. North Oaks, Minnesota may have been the first. In that case, Google complied." Is that also "exquisitely sensitive " ??

    read down further - the same Wiki article states
    "A recent demand from the European Union would require Google to warn local residents before sending out the cameras. It also requires Google to keep the not blurred versions of the photos no longer than 6 months, instead of a year. Google was instructed to give advance notice online and in the local press before photographing./COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]21[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc
    In 2010, Google announced that it might cancel Google Street View service in the European Union due to unmanageable requests of the European Commission./COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc]22[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0066cc The Data Protection Directive says that digital information about identifiable people should not be published on the internet without consent from those people."

    Well the Telegraph actually http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/4695714/Couple-who-sued-Google-over-Street-View-photos-of-home-lose-privacy-case.html
    But thats not important...the sentiment is..

    Oh and from reading your wiki article they were awarded 1 dollar. Hardly a rousing endorsement


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Conology


    Well the Telegraph actually http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/4695714/Couple-who-sued-Google-over-Street-View-photos-of-home-lose-privacy-case.html
    But thats not important...the sentiment is..

    Oh and from reading your wiki article they were awarded 1 dollar. Hardly a rousing endorsement
    Its the point of law I'm interested in , not the award really,
    Pro Hoc Vice - sums it up best for me in http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/0...25713300410C9C - thank you Pro Hoc Vice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 489 ✭✭the world wonders


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Quite a few tourists visit Ireland every year and probably most of them take photographs. Many might post them on the internet, mentioning where they were taken. Your argument would prevent them doing so if someones house happened to be in the background.
    I would argue that there is a qualitative not just a quantitative difference between a private individual taking a few personal photos and a giant for-profit corporation maintaining a photographic database of every home and business in an entire country.

    That said, the optouts and safeguards that Google have put in place, such as blurring faces and license plates, seem to have satisfied the Data Protection Commissioner.

    For the OP, the DPC have specific instructions on how to request blurring of your house on street view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    Conology wrote: »
    Its the point of law I'm interested in , not the award really,
    Pro Hoc Vice - sums it up best for me in http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/0...25713300410C9C - thank you Pro Hoc Vice.

    Interesting case...Its a developing area..Good luck either way if you decide to do something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Conology wrote: »
    Its the point of law I'm interested in , not the award really,
    Pro Hoc Vice - sums it up best for me in http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/0...25713300410C9C - thank you Pro Hoc Vice.

    That's continuous video, and a genuine privacy concern.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Hi Conology,

    As matter of interest, what exactly is the security concern? Another poster asked you the same question but you didn't answer the question.

    I'd be interested in any other posters opinions on the security aspect (rather than the law).

    Cheers.
    Conology wrote: »
    Walking down the street and looking into my garden is one thing.
    Taking photographs or videos of my home and placing it on the Internet for everyone to see (without my permission ) is a totally different issue
    Conology wrote: »
    I would like to remove the view of my house from Google maps Street view as I am concerned about security of my house.

    Can anyone advise how to go about having it removed, ??

    and secondly - why and how does Google have the right to post videos of every house without the consent of the owners ??

    Thank you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    anyone had a look at their google maps history??? freaky stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    anyone had a look at their google maps history??? freaky stuff

    How ja do that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Conology


    I would argue that there is a qualitative not just a quantitative difference between a private individual taking a few personal photos and a giant for-profit corporation maintaining a photographic database of every home and business in an entire country.
    .

    I agree with you in principle, but is it legal or is it not legal - that is the question, and as far as I can see "so far ??" the answer is - YES it is legal for Google to go around in their cars/vans with cameras mounted on the rooftop, in order to video your house, garden, sheds, garden furniture, and especially access to your premises, and place all that useful information, for every criminal to see if they want to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    28064212 wrote: »

    Iv no history, yay for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    me too....until i keep looking....and there it is!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Conology


    Hi Conology,

    As matter of interest, what exactly is the security concern? Another poster asked you the same question but you didn't answer the question.

    I'd be interested in any other posters opinions on the security aspect (rather than the law).

    Cheers.
    I'm happy that the Legal issue is clarified now - particularly by Pro Hoc Vice.

    With regard to the "Security issue" - I just think that no matter how old the footage is - that a potential criminal should not have access to this kind of information as it is a very useful assistance in accumulating knowledge of an area or premises.
    There are many people out there who don't even know that this facility exists - particularly elderly in remote areas, and when we don't even know that this is happening it makes it more worrying.

    I'll bet that if you were to ask people in advance for permission to Film their house ( not like an RTE news programme as suggested earlier ) and place the footage on the internet, that the majority of people would not agree to allow it. That's just my opinion.

    Personally, I like the facility itself. It's a very useful service provided by Google and if they can profit from it - good luck to them, but there must be a better way for Google to provide the service without having to show so much access to such private property. I have no doubt they're working on it as we speak as I would think it's an on-going issue for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,904 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    If I am a tourist and I photograph Merrion Square and put it on my travel blog, I don't have to get permission from all of the property owners if they photograph was taken on the public road.
    In fairness, your blog is hardly going to give the NSA the face of everyone in the country, every vehicle registration and the location of both in a nice compact database.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Victor wrote: »
    In fairness, your blog is hardly going to give the NSA the face of everyone in the country, every vehicle registration and the location of both in a nice compact database.

    Google obscures faces and registration numbers automatically.


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