Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

Killer Wench wrote: »

The credibility of Ferguson police are in question which is why there are protests, separate autopsies and investigations.

Which is what amazes me the most......the credibility of the PD is in question, so witness statements that they produce are dismissed...

Yet the credibility of the guy that helped Brown rob a store is golden, so his scenario is obviously the most accurate

People have been drawn in by the rushed media response and the culture of blaming the police.......if people would step back and look at the facts that have come out, their opinions should change.

But as a result of the heavy response to the protests/riots....and the continuous escalation, people have become so polarized that they are not willing to hear any side of the story other than what they want to hear.

Forget about the riot and the riot response for a second, which is the most likely scenario.......a police officer, who in 6 years in law enforcement has never had a single internal nor external complaint against him, encounters a black teen on the street and decides to shoot him in the back/on his knees surrendered/with his hands up (the 3 different versions of the shooting given by witnesses)

or, as the officer claimed, he attempted to get out of his cruiser to approach brown, was pushed back in/assaulted, brown began to leave and with Wilson now out of his cruiser, brown turned at charged towards Wilson leading him to shoot him (reportedly verified by a dozen witnesses)

Remember that the attorney general investigation will be using the same witnesses.

rockonollie wrote: »

People have been drawn in by the rushed media response and the culture of blaming the police.....

Its a community on a knife edge. A tinder box, and any perceived injustice is going to set it off.

And another incident of white cops shooting black kids is important.

So of course there's a "rushed media response".

Egginacup wrote: »

...In Northern Ireland we had the disgusting RUC....war zones....A bunch of marines pepper a civilian car...Punching the sh1t out of anyone and everyone for fun...

Are you actually judging this case on its own merits, or as a whipping boy for other crimes committed in other locations by other people against other victims?

You must have read that report that in 2011 the entire German police force in a country fired 85 bullets, 39 of which were warning shots.

Germany and the USA are entirely different countries.

There are about 2 million registered, legal guns in Germany. There are somewhere between 270 and 310 million guns in the US, with the vagueness down to just how many illegal firearms there are. There is likely more guns in the US than there are people. There's even a guy who managed to build a working pistol using a 3D printer a year or two ago. The "aggressive" US policing stance is based on the high likelihood that anyone they approach, *especially* criminals, could be heavily armed and dangerous. That simply isn't a threat level German or Irish police for that matter face.

You're right, that if the US police were suddenly transported to a typical German urban area their style of policing would be way OTT. On the other hand, if German police were transported to a typical US urban centre they would be eaten alive.

And yet you think that emptying a clip of 15 or so rounds into someone is reasonable force.

When you make the decision to shoot someone, its is a serious decision. There is no Stun setting on a pistol. If you shoot them, you better assume they are going to die. You shoot someone because they are a threat to you or to another. You shoot them until they go down and stay down so they are no longer a threat to you or others.

If you aren't sure about committing to that decision, then you shouldn't have started shooting in the first place.

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

i wonder why they did not try have a chat with him before they shot him.

Have a chat? he was running at them with a knife.....the world isn't all rainbows and unicorns

obplayer wrote: »

I suspect your sarcasm meter needs re-set.:D

I was kinda hoping that was the case, but with this story it's been hard at times to differentiate between sarcastic and stupid.

wicklowstevo wrote: »

i cant say im surprised , its generally the same when there's negative publicity towards the police . all aboard the band wagon plenty of room for idiots !!
and a few weeks later clear concise facts emerge to prove that many people were telling lies and exploiting the situation to their own ends.

"The family of Michael brown had asked famed forensic scientist, Michael Baden to do an autopsy on their son. They didn’t get the results they were looking for. Baden reported that six bullets hit Brown. Four in the arm and two in the head. All six bullets hit him in the front. This is in direct conflict with the depositions given by Dorian Johnson, friend of Brown’s"

To add to the ridiculousness/desperation, the family attorney has come out saying that the autopsy results confirm their claims of what happened..... he says that autopsy corroborates their witness statements because it agreed with the claims that brown was shot 6 times..... he ignored the fact that it disproved pretty much everything else that they said.

WilyCoyote wrote: »

So, the 3rd, 4th and 5th shots etc were just in case, like.

Brief education on police training.... they are taught to fire twice every time they take a 'shot', increasing the chance of a successful hit.

If the autopsy results, and witness statement are to be believed, the first two 'shots' resulted to 4 hits to the right arm, none of which stopped brown.... the final 'shot' lead to the 2 hits to the head, which stopped and killed brown.

Killer Wench wrote: »

Mike's friend is one witness. There are three witnesses that have stepped forward with the same version of events. Only one of those three knew Mike personally.

Whereas all of the people speaking up on behalf of the police officer were not actually there to witness the events. Instead, they are friends of the PO and have "heard" his version of events.

And all those witnesses appear to have been wrong - the original claim was Michael Brown was shot in the back, running away. The autopsy has shown that all 6 wounds were received to his front.

@Egginacup

I don't really care how many guns are in Germany or Switzerland or how many swords there are in Japan or how many nuclear weapons there are in England. The facts show, emphatically, that American cops are loose cannons and like to blow people away.
Not only that but when they do so they know they will get away with it. Easiest job on Earth is to riddle someone to death and then be placed on paid leave. You can swan off to the Florida Keys for months on a 60 grand paycheck.

Sign me up.

You want to join the police force because you believe you will be able to murder people? I think its better you don't, and I'm fairly sure most police forces across the world wouldn't accept the application.