Are'nt the Gardai great sure...

Hootanany · 16-08-2014 12:04AM

Only vood gard is a mud gard

leeroybrown · 16-08-2014 12:05AM

Plenty of junkies do get arrested but for crimes other than sitting around off their heads. The Gardaí would love to catch them dealing, burgling, robbing phones, etc but that's a lot harder to do than just pick them up off the streets when they've already shot up with whatever tiny quantity they've bought.

Awkward Badger · 16-08-2014 12:06AM

Esel wrote: »

Maybe not, but they know how to pick their battles.

A habitual street-opiate user or a regular-looking J Soap - who would you prefer to have in the back of the cab, Joe?

I'm sure they wouldn't relish dealing with situations that result in a lot of hassle but they do deal with them as is evidenced by the cries of police brutality every other week when some clown is hauled away in front of a crowd and its stuck on youtube. Two thirds of the OP's sources for his argument actually contradict his argument because they involved plenty of hassle for the Gardai so were not cherry picked soft targets.

And I don't drive a cab nor is my name Joe. I just find it funny how the Gardai can be criticised for arresting someone for breaking the law, not arresting people for breaking the law, avoiding hassle and trying to deal with hassle all in the same argument. That's quite an argument.

leeroybrown · 16-08-2014 12:08AM

Tail Docker wrote: »

As opposed to arresting this lad. Which, it seems, wasn't. I guess. Much as it looks like a waste of time to a lot of other people.

What? This fool was seen smoking a joint in public and then tried to do a runner. He'd probably have gotten away with a caution if he hadn't run. If they were present by when one of those junkies was openly injecting/smoking you can be pretty sure they'd have gotten involved too. Regardless of individual opinions on weed they can't walk around letting people openly break the law in front of their noses.

Hootanany · 16-08-2014 12:16AM

Garda do t want to deal with real crims Joe soaps are easy targets.

Esel · 16-08-2014 12:18AM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

The OP describes those three incidents on which he's basing all this on as the Gardai beating up an epileptic, Gardai beating up buskers and a chap arrested for smoking a spliff. While junkies roam free with the Gardai not bothered going near them because of the hassle. And then declaring this lazy policing.

Firstly nobody was beaten up and those two situations were hardly free of hassle. Dealing with people refusing to cooperate in the face of abuse from crowds of people and then more abuse and accusations of assault when they have to use force. The "chap arrested for having a spliff" was a 29 year old man arrested for legging it from the Gardai and then being caught with a bag of weed on him. Lastly junkies are not ignored by Gardai.

I never said you were a fuq da pigs person but the OP clearly is given the shíte in the OP and this thread is just another one of those threads with he Gardai being bashed whether they do or they don't. Like I said I've heard it all before.

Ignore the other two cites then.

A male was observed - not smoking, but rolling a 'suspicious cigarette'. When approached, he was uncooperative and reacted badly, probably out of fear of consequences. He was then found to be in possession of a small amount of cannabis - for personal use, as the alternative was not stated. Unless we learn otherwise, no violence was offered; no threats were made.

He was not seen sharpening a Bowie knife, talking to himself in a manic way, or examining a bag full of gold jewellery, and when apprehended was not found in possession of any offensive weapons, or any (other) incriminating objects, apart from a small amount of cannabis.

Obviously, we do not know the full details of the incident. Actions can have unfortunate consequences at the best of times. Words uttered without thinking can cause subsequent events to follow a very different course.

So, for a case like this to actually go to court, there is probably a lot more to it. I sincerely hope there is.

foggy_lad · 16-08-2014 12:22AM

Esel wrote: »

Ignore the other two cites then.

A male was observed - not smoking, but rolling a 'suspicious cigarette'. When approached, he was uncooperative and reacted badly, probably out of fear of consequences. He was then found to be in possession of a small amount of cannabis - for personal use, as the alternative was not stated. Unless we learn otherwise, no violence was offered; no threats were made.

He was not seen sharpening a Bowie knife, talking to himself in a manic way, or examining a bag full of gold jewellery, and when apprehended was not found in possession of any offensive weapons, or any (other) incriminating objects, apart from a small amount of cannabis.

Obviously, we do not know the full details of the incident. Actions can have unfortunate consequences at the best of times. Words uttered without thinking can cause subsequent events to follow a very different course.

So, for a case like this to actually go to court, there is probably a lot more to it. I sincerely hope there is.

The question needing to be asked here is why have reporters and news media even reported such a minor offence when there are far more serious and recidivist criminals going through the courts daily who never appear in any news reports? The Gardai are fine,

the reporters are the real issue here and the only ones taking the easy pickings!

Hootanany · 16-08-2014 12:23AM

Probally from a noce address as well

djflawless · 16-08-2014 12:25AM

Did you not know the guards only prey on the vulnerable???

16-08-2014 12:30AM

If you want to smoke drugs in peace just make sure you're wearing a tracksuit, have a few freshly crushed cans on the ground next to you and still-healing wounds on the face are the clincher. You'll never be bothered.

Esel · 16-08-2014 12:35AM

leeroybrown wrote: »

What? This fool was seen smoking a joint in public and then tried to do a runner. He'd probably have gotten away with a caution if he hadn't run. If they were present by when one of those junkies was openly injecting/smoking you can be pretty sure they'd have gotten involved too. Regardless of individual opinions on weed they can't walk around letting people openly break the law in front of their noses.

Not seen smoking; seen rolling a 'suspicious cigarette'.

Would a junkie seen rolling a 'suspicious cigarette' really be challenged by an average garda though (assuming there were no other, more pressing, events happening)? By average garda, I mean one who is on regular patrol/beat duty. The apparent offence would have to be very blatant, I would think.

TheDoc · 16-08-2014 12:39AM

Guards walk by a bloke performing an illegal act. What would you like them to do, just let it go?

People are ridiculous in this country, and like to have the law step in when it suits them.

If your rolling a joint in public, at 6pm in the evening, your taking a risk. Regardless of how harsh it is, law is the law

catallus · 16-08-2014 12:40AM

And €50 worth of cannabis isn't a "small amount" either.

Awkward Badger · 16-08-2014 12:42AM

Esel wrote: »

Ignore the other two cites then.

A male was observed - not smoking, but rolling a 'suspicious cigarette'. When approached, he was uncooperative and reacted badly, probably out of fear of consequences. He was then found to be in possession of a small amount of cannabis - for personal use, as the alternative was not stated. Unless we learn otherwise, no violence was offered; no threats were made.

He was not seen sharpening a Bowie knife, talking to himself in a manic way, or examining a bag full of gold jewellery, and when apprehended was not found in possession of any offensive weapons, or any (other) incriminating objects, apart from a small amount of cannabis.

Obviously, we do not know the full details of the incident. Actions can have unfortunate consequences at the best of times. Words uttered without thinking can cause subsequent events to follow a very different course.

So, for a case like this to actually go to court, there is probably a lot more to it. I sincerely hope there is.

The fact he threw the joint away when they approached and then ran after agreeing to the drug search probably forced their hands in charging him even if they were likely to let him off with a warning for just finding him smoking a joint or in possession of a small amount of weed.

One guy digging a hole for himself is hardly evidence of this claimed systematic cherry picking of soft targets because the Gardai don't want to deal with the hassle of arresting "real" criminals. As said its the media who do the cherry picking. A "young doctor" arrested makes the news with rags like the indo, Deco Skanger's 15th conviction for god knows what doesn't.

leeroybrown · 16-08-2014 12:42AM

Esel wrote: »

Not seen smoking; seen rolling a 'suspicious cigarette'.

Well he was clearly doing something suspicious. Perhaps he was seen putting something taken from a small plastic ziplock bag into a large size rolling paper. That would look a tad suspicious. I've little sympathy for someone who gets caught rolling a joint in public. The true crime is stupidity.

djflawless · 16-08-2014 12:42AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Guards walk by a bloke performing an illegal act. What would you like them to do, just let it go?

People are ridiculous in this country, and like to have the law step in when it suits them.

If your rolling a joint in public, at 6pm in the evening, your taking a risk. Regardless of how harsh it is, law is the law

Law is law, but does templemore not know how to train people how to deal with junkies in plain so light in our fair city???

16-08-2014 12:46AM

catallus wrote: »

And €50 worth of cannabis isn't a "small amount" either.

€50 is a pretty small amount and it was likely closer to €20 quids worth in the real world.

catallus · 16-08-2014 12:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

€50 is a pretty small amount and it was likely closer to €20 quids worth in the real world.

Still, €20 worth of bullets for the criminals. Horrendous.

Esel · 16-08-2014 12:48AM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

As said its the media who do the cherry picking. A "young doctor" arrested makes the news with rags like the indo, Deco Skanger's 15th conviction for god knows what doesn't.

Concur.

16-08-2014 12:49AM

Another classic example was a mate of mine at a music festival. He'd smoked his first joint a month beforehand, no criminal record or anything else. Caught with a quarter of a 50-bag, didn't resist or anything else. Ended up with a summons and a court appearance and a fine of over a grand. Got his name in the local paper and all for it.

Shakespeare's Sister · 16-08-2014 12:49AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Guards walk by a bloke performing an illegal act. What would you like them to do, just let it go?

But people didn't say this. Why does it keep being pretended that they did?

leeroybrown · 16-08-2014 12:50AM

djflawless wrote: »

Law is law, but does templemore not know how to train people how to deal with junkies in plain so light in our fair city???

They'll learn pretty quickly how the available Garda time is prioritised in their area when they go out on probation with more experienced Gardaí. Policy on stuff like this comes down from above not up from the bottom.

catallus · 16-08-2014 12:50AM

Magaggie wrote: »

But people didn't say this. Why does it keep being pretended that they did?

Yes they did!

Hotfail.com · 16-08-2014 12:51AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

The question needing to be asked here is why have reporters and news media even reported such a minor offence when there are far more serious and recidivist criminals going through the courts daily who never appear in any news reports? The Gardai are fine,

the reporters are the real issue here and the only ones taking the easy pickings!

I agree. I see absolutely no reason why this man should have his face and name made public over such a minor offence, that in itself is going to hurt him far more than any sentence that will be handed down.

djflawless · 16-08-2014 12:51AM

Agreed with actual value being about 20 squidoons
Have heard of gaurds supposedly doubling (at least) prices more than once

wicklowstevo · 16-08-2014 12:52AM

My name is URL wrote: »

...and treated with kid gloves, while a doctor having a joint after work is held up as an example of evil to everyone.

This man could lose his job and licence over this. Do you honestly think that's appropriate?

Do Gardai not have discretion on their side at all these days? They give chase to a doctor with a spliff but ignore the already departed shooting up heroin in public..

What do they want for that... praise?

isnt any garda who is caught with illegal drugs is fired immediately ??

if he keeps his job there will be plenty of business from the boardie folk by the sound of things

leeroybrown · 16-08-2014 12:53AM

Magaggie wrote: »

But people didn't say this. Why does it keep being pretended that they did?

People are shocked that a respectable doctor type with a real job can get in trouble when those horrible junkies roam the streets. Normal hysteria. Nothing to see here. Please move along.

djflawless · 16-08-2014 12:53AM

leeroybrown wrote: »

They'll learn pretty quickly how the available Garda time is prioritised in their area when they go out on probation with more experienced Gardaí. Policy on stuff like this comes down from above not up from the bottom.

But it seems to me that experience from above is "don't mind the guy on o Connell street with the needle, but oh look! A fella rolling a joint!! Back up asap!!"

Anyone else feel this way?!?

catallus · 16-08-2014 12:54AM

djflawless wrote: »

Anyone else feel this way?!?

I for one don't.

Hotfail.com · 16-08-2014 12:55AM

djflawless wrote: »

But it seems to me that experience from above is "don't mind the guy on o Connell street with the needle, but oh look! A fella rolling a joint!! Back up asap!!"

Anyone else feel this way?!?

The guards are horrendously under equipped to deal with violent criminals such as heroin addicts, to be honest I don't blame them for not approaching them more often.

Are'nt the Gardai great sure...

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