Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

Smithwicks Man · 13-08-2014 05:35PM

MR NINE wrote: »

Lads 12m really isnt that much nowadays. He signed for hull in jan for 7m and noone batted an eyelid

It's a lot when you consider the quality of player that you could get on the continent for that money.

Shane Long to Southampton - £12m
Ciro Immobile to Dortmund - £15.5m

:eek:

Paully D · 13-08-2014 05:43PM

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

It's a lot when you consider the quality of player that you could get on the continent for that money.

Shane Long to Southampton - £12m
Ciro Immobile to Dortmund - £15.5m

:eek:

I hate these sort of comparisons.

Could you imagine the wage Southampton would have had to offer Immobile to even get him to consider going to them?

Top clubs shop in a completely different market when it comes to the standard of player they can attract to others.

eagle eye · 13-08-2014 05:52PM

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

It's a lot when you consider the quality of player that you could get on the continent for that money.

Shane Long to Southampton - £12m
Ciro Immobile to Dortmund - £15.5m

:eek:

Immobile is a real gamble. He can be good and he can be awful. Its only a matter of time before he becomes consistently one or the other and I'd predict awful. I'd much prefer to play the Shane Long money than the Immobile money.

There are much better deals being done though, for instance Bojan Krkic to Stoke for somewhere in the region of £3.5 million.

Smithwicks Man · 13-08-2014 05:52PM

Paully D wrote: »

I hate these sort of comparisons.

Could you imagine the wage Southampton would have had to offer Immobile to even get him to consider going to them?

Top clubs shop in a completely different market when it comes to the standard of player they can attract to others.

I'm not saying that Southampton could have bought Immobile instead, I'm saying that when you compare what's available for around £12m on the continent, Southampton would have been far better off shopping abroad.

And wages aren't an excuse either. Dortmund have tripled Immobile's wages and he still isn't earning as much as Shane Long.

Smithwicks Man · 13-08-2014 05:59PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Immobile is a real gamble. He can be good and he can be awful. Its only a matter of time before he becomes consistently one or the other and I'd predict awful. I'd much prefer to play the Shane Long money than the Immobile money.

There are much better deals being done though, for instance Bojan Krkic to Stoke for somewhere in the region of £3.5 million.

I'm sorry but you think Immobile, a 24 year old who has just top scored with 22 goals in Serie A with a mid-table side, is a bigger gamble at £15.5m than a 27 year old Shane Long, who has scored the same amount of league goals in the last 4 seasons in England, is at £12m?

I suppose with Immobile there's the gamble that he may not become top-class whereas with Shane Long you're guaranteed mediocrity :pac:

Thought that was a strange signing by Stoke as he doesn't suit their style of play but maybe Mark Hughes is trying to change that style. A good purchase at £3.5m but he's a player who hasn't developed in years.

Oat23 · 13-08-2014 06:11PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Immobile is a real gamble. He can be good and he can be awful. Its only a matter of time before he becomes consistently one or the other and I'd predict awful. I'd much prefer to play the Shane Long money than the Immobile money.

£12m for someone like Shane Long is outrageous. He averages a goal every 5.2 games in the PL.

Transfer fees are out of control in England.

13-08-2014 06:16PM

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

I'm not saying that Southampton could have bought Immobile instead, I'm saying that when you compare what's available for around £12m on the continent, Southampton would have been far better off shopping abroad.

And wages aren't an excuse either. Dortmund have tripled Immobile's wages and he still isn't earning as much as Shane Long.

And still about half of what it would take for him to go to a mid table PL team with no CL aspirations.

Smithwicks Man · 13-08-2014 06:19PM

Liam O wrote: »

And still about half of what it would take for him to go to a mid table PL team with no CL aspirations.

You can't say that for certain. He's leaving a mid-table Serie A side with no CL aspirations so moving to England on tripled wages could have been more than enough for him.

Immobile is only one example as well. There are countless players scattered across Europe that would only cost in or around £10m and are much better than Shane Long or Ross McCormack.

Then you hear the old "he doesn't have PL experience though."

Oat23 · 13-08-2014 06:22PM

Liam O wrote: »

And still about half of what it would take for him to go to a mid table PL team with no CL aspirations.

Half? They'd have to quadruple it. He's on €2m per-year that rises every year of the 5 year contract. You'd have to pay him Asamoah Gyan type money to get him to join you instead of Dortmund.

Aenaes · 13-08-2014 07:19PM

Southampton were probably required to pay a bit more also because of all the money the club received from transfers this Summer.

Alfred Borden · 13-08-2014 08:57PM

Anyone been following Di Marzio this summer for transfers? Usually the most reliable on twitter but he is having a terrible summer, more wrong than right.

Gavlor · 13-08-2014 09:22PM

Christian Atsu on season long loan to Everton from Chelsea.

Gotta love the loan system!

Ferris_Bueller · 13-08-2014 09:26PM

I've asked before but never got a proper response. Is there any websites that have a full official list of transfers this summer across the top few leagues?

Oat23 · 13-08-2014 09:32PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I've asked before but never got a proper response. Is there any websites that have a full official list of transfers this summer across the top few leagues?

Transfermarkt will give you the official transfers from almost every league.

England.
Germany.
Spain.
Italy.

eagle eye · 13-08-2014 09:44PM

Oat23 wrote: »

£12m for someone like Shane Long is outrageous. He averages a goal every 5.2 games in the PL.

Transfer fees are out of control in England.

Stats are ridiculous sometimes. If you want to be real about his stats then he has scored a goal every 291 minutes. We can even make it look better if we like and add his assists which would mean he has either a goal or assist every 212 minutes.

I didn't say he was worth it btw but the guy is better playing off the front man or as a wide forward in a front three. That is the system he needs to be in to get the best out of him. We'll see how things work out at Southampton and what role he plays for them. I was surprised at the transfer fee.

Oat23 · 13-08-2014 10:03PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Stats are ridiculous sometimes. If you want to be real about his stats then he has scored a goal every 291 minutes. We can even make it look better if we like and add his assists which would mean he has either a goal or assist every 212 minutes.

I didn't say he was worth it btw but the guy is better playing off the front man or as a wide forward in a front three. That is the system he needs to be in to get the best out of him. We'll see how things work out at Southampton and what role he plays for them. I was surprised at the transfer fee.

How is counting goals/assists he got in the championship getting real? He is playing in the Premier League. Those stats are meaningless since he is playing at a much higher level now.

He has 28 goals and 11 assists in 146 PL games.

EuropeanSon · 13-08-2014 10:04PM

Oat23 wrote: »

Transfermarkt will give you the official transfers from almost every league.

England.
Germany.
Spain.
Italy.

Just to be clear, their fees are not official numbers. Those are not public information, mostly, so they are only going by reports.

Oat23 · 14-08-2014 08:20PM

Wolfsburg will introduce Nicklas Bendtner to the press tomorrow morning.

Deemed not good enough for HSV, Stuttgart or Borussia Mönchengladbach. Great signing by them :pac:.

DenMan · 14-08-2014 09:39PM

Tony Pulis will be available now to other clubs!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9422341/tony-pulis-steps-down-as-crystal-palace-manager-sky-sources-understand

Mushy · 14-08-2014 09:43PM

Oat23 wrote: »

Wolfsburg will introduce Nicklas Bendtner to the press tomorrow morning.

Deemed not good enough for HSV, Stuttgart or Borussia MönchengladbachReal Madrid, Barcelona. Great signing by them :pac:.

FYP!

elefant · 15-08-2014 09:24AM

For anyone interested in goings on in Spain, Valencia's sale was confirmed yesterday to billionaire Peter Lim.

Lots of rumours about big name transfers. Jackson Martinez from Porto seems to be the main name floating about (along with Enzo Perez from Benfica who has been a long-term rumour). Could be interesting times in La Liga this season.

GavRedKing · 15-08-2014 09:26AM

elefant wrote: »

For anyone interested in goings on in Spain, Valencia's sale was confirmed yesterday to billionaire Peter Lim.

Lots of rumours about big name transfers. Jackson Martinez from Porto seems to be the main name floating about (along with Enzo Perez from Benfica who has been a long-term rumour). Could be interesting times in La Liga this season.

Any chance we could flog them Torres? Cheap price of 20million. :cool: :pac:

Quazzie · 15-08-2014 09:38AM

GavRedKing wrote: »

Any chance we could flog them Torres? Cheap price of 20million. :cool: :pac:

Ya'd wanna be giving them more than that to take him :pac:

GavRedKing · 15-08-2014 09:52AM

Quazzie wrote: »

Ya'd wanna be giving them more than that to take him :pac:

Fools and their money and all that.

Although I wouldnt be surprised if they went back after Soldado and maybe Spurs can get in a proper CF.

Levy will probably hold out for 40million though.

Agent Coulson · 15-08-2014 09:53AM

elefant wrote: »

For anyone interested in goings on in Spain, Valencia's sale was confirmed yesterday to billionaire Peter Lim.

Lots of rumours about big name transfers. Jackson Martinez from Porto seems to be the main name floating about (along with Enzo Perez from Benfica who has been a long-term rumour). Could be interesting times in La Liga this season.

So he finally bought a club after being linked with Liverpool, Rangers, AC Milan & Middlesbrough in the last four years.

kronsington · 15-08-2014 10:16AM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I've asked before but never got a proper response. Is there any websites that have a full official list of transfers this summer across the top few leagues?

Here ya go

http://www.soccernews.com/soccer-transfers/

Degag · 15-08-2014 12:26PM

kronsington wrote: »

Here ya go

http://www.soccernews.com/soccer-transfers/

Or here

Lucas Hood · 15-08-2014 01:13PM

Loads of rumours that Marco Reus is to sign for Atletico Madrid.

GavRedKing · 15-08-2014 01:14PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Loads of rumours that Marco Reus is to sign for Atletico Madrid.

Didi Hamann cant believe it, apparently.

Rayne Wooney · 15-08-2014 01:22PM

Think Atletico would be a sideways step for him, at 25 he should be coming into his peak years soon, could go back to business as usual next season in La Liga with Real and Barca at the top

I'd be happy if United threw money at him, but sadly United are a step down for him at the moment

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