Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

Lucas Hood · 12-08-2014 09:07PM

ASOT wrote: »

8 goals for 12m is a terrible return lets be honest.

They're buying him for longer than 1 season you know?

Ross McCormack went for 11m recently.

ASOT · 12-08-2014 09:12PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

They're buying him for longer than 1 season you know?

Ross McCormack went for 11m recently.

I know but for a 12m investment youd expect a striker to score more than 8 goals a season.

Yeah i know Ross went for that much, 51 goals in the last three seasons all beit in the championship but in an absolutely terrible leeds team is a good return. Hes home grown and english, so nomatter how mad it sounds it seems about right with how footballs gone these days.

Long has 23 goals in that period but obviously scored his goals in the premiership.

Mad money for both of them anyway.

Frankie Lee · 12-08-2014 09:13PM

His game is about a lot more than just goals though.

ASOT · 12-08-2014 09:13PM

Frankie Lee wrote: »

His game is about a lot more than just goals though.

I know his work rate is tremendous, dont get me wrong i think hes a good player but i just think for 12m they could have done alot better!

Vinz Mesrine · 12-08-2014 09:14PM

ASOT wrote: »

I know but for a 12m investment youd expect a striker to score more than 8 goals a season.

Yeah i know Ross went for that much, 51 goals in the last three seasons all beit in the championship but in an absolutely terrible leeds team is a good return. Hes home grown and english, so nomatter how mad it sounds it seems about right with how footballs gone these days.

Long has 23 goals in that period but obviously scored his goals in the premiership.

Mad money for both of them anyway.

He's Scottish.

Magath will have him crawling through London over the next few weeks after slating his fitness levels.

ASOT · 12-08-2014 09:17PM

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

He's Scottish.

Magath will have him crawling through London over the next few weeks after slating his fitness levels.

That he is, completely slipped my mind. Magath is nuts, reminds me of di canio.

JPA · 12-08-2014 09:35PM

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

Shane Long being linked with a £12 million move to Southampton. A lot of money for a striker who is not a guaranteed goal scorer.

Madness. Now let's see what overpriced gem Brucie replaces him with.

12-08-2014 09:59PM

Long for 12m. Wtf? he's very average imo.

Prices in England are ridiculous. A good housing market style crash is needed

GLaDOS · 12-08-2014 10:06PM

Great move for Long.

Poor deal for Southampton, big downgrade on Lambert, apart from Long being younger.

Rayne Wooney · 12-08-2014 10:53PM

Guillem Balague
"Moreno will pass his medical in Liverpool tomorrow"

I didn't know Balague was psychic, another talent added to the mans repertoire

Vinz Mesrine · 13-08-2014 07:19AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Guillem Balague
"Moreno will pass his medical in Liverpool tomorrow"

I didn't know Balague was psychic, another talent added to the mans repertoire

Good lord, you are obsessed.

death1234567 · 13-08-2014 07:34AM

£12m for a striker who can't finish? Jesus Southampton really are a mess.

Kirby · 13-08-2014 08:50AM

Long is a much better player than a lot of you in here are giving him credit for.

stiffler123 · 13-08-2014 08:58AM

Kirby wrote: »

Long is a much better player than a lot of you in here are giving him credit for.

I like him, but twelve million is nuts. He just doesn't score enough, misses loads of easy chances. They probably could of got Jordan Rhodes for a lot cheaper, and he's a far better finisher.

Kirby · 13-08-2014 09:02AM

stiffler123 wrote: »

I like him, but twelve million is nuts. He just doesn't score enough, misses loads of easy chances. They probably could of got Jordan Rhodes for a lot cheaper, and he's a far better finisher.

People used to say that about Andy Cole but what people don't realise is that a striker who has a bunch of chances and misses most of them, is preferable to the striker who has no chances because he doesn't have the work rate, pace or positioning to ever be in the right place to receive or make the chance.

Just ask the Spurs fans about Soldado. He was a "goalscorer" but if you need every chance you ever get laid on a plate for you, you wont score many in the premier league and your team wont score many either. Long may not be a natural finisher but he is a team player. If he stays fit, I'd fancy him to do very well this season, even with the mass exodus at Southampton.

stiffler123 · 13-08-2014 09:11AM

Kirby wrote: »

People used to say that about Andy Cole but what people don't realise is that a striker who has a bunch of chances and misses most of them, is preferable to the striker who has no chances because he doesn't have the work rate, pace or positioning to ever be in the right place to receive or make the chance.

Andy Cole was a 20-30 goal a season player though. Shane Long will never be that. Daft comparison tbh.

Kirby · 13-08-2014 09:17AM

stiffler123 wrote: »

Andy Cole was a 20-30 goal a season player though. Shane Long will never be that. Daft comparison tbh.

Andy cole is similar/dissimilar to Shane Long.

See that? That's a comparison. That's not what I did so kindly put that strawman back in your box.

What I actually did was highlight another, different striker who played for United in a different era who was criticised for missing easy chances.....and how his teammates didn't care because there is more to being a player than how many goals you score. To quote Scholes, "If he's getting those chances in the first place, I want him in my team."

GavRedKing · 13-08-2014 09:18AM

Transfers between English clubs are always fairly mad, throw in the extra money available and clubs will hold out for even more money.

stiffler123 · 13-08-2014 09:30AM

Kirby wrote: »

Andy cole is similar/dissimilar to Shane Long.

See that? That's a comparison. That's not what I did so kindly put that strawman back in your box.

What I actually did was highlight another, different striker who played for United in a different era who was criticised for missing easy chances.....and how his teammates didn't care because there is more to being a player than how many goals you score. To quote Scholes, "If he's getting those chances in the first place, I want him in my team."

Andy Cole scored a crap load of goals though. If he scored 8 goals a season like Long, he would have never been signed by United in the first place. A strikers number one job is to score goals. Don't give a crap what Paul Scholes says either, why are you quoting him?

Kirby · 13-08-2014 09:32AM

stiffler123 wrote: »

Andy Cole scored a crap load of goals though. If he scored 8 goals a season like Long, he would have never been signed by United in the first place. A strikers number one job is to score goals. Don't give a crap what Paul Scholes says either, why are you quoting him?

Because it echoes what I said. If you could find a quote from a player as good as that backing up your opinion, you would post it too.

You could always make one up. Zidane, "Long is shoite. Serious like!" :P

ctrl-alt-delete · 13-08-2014 09:33AM

stiffler123 wrote: »

I like him, but twelve million is nuts. He just doesn't score enough, misses loads of easy chances. They probably could of got Jordan Rhodes for a lot cheaper, and he's a far better finisher.

Blackburn paid £8 million for Rhodes who recently signed a contract extension which I imagine will have a minimum fee.

I don't think they would sell for much less than £12 million, given recent fees. However another season in the Championship without promotion and that might change.

Another factor is Long has PL experience. I rate him and his style of play will suit Southampton, much the same as theirs will suit him.

stiffler123 · 13-08-2014 09:50AM

Kirby wrote: »

Because it echoes what I said. If you could find a quote from a player as good as that backing up your opinion, you would post it too.

You could always make one up. Zidane, "Long is shoite. Serious like!" :P

Not as good as Scholes, but the lad knows a thing or two about being a striker. "My job is to score goals"- Robbie Keane. For the national teams sake, I really hope Long proves me wrong and scores a tonne of goals, I just don't see it though.

You seem to rate workrate as highly as putting the ball in the back of the net. We will have to agree to disagree on that point.

Smithwicks Man · 13-08-2014 11:05AM

Long is a decent PL player, not worth £12m though. But then again, almost every transfer a PL club makes involves an excessive transfer fee.

Rayne Wooney · 13-08-2014 11:06AM

Ronald Koeman is currently undergoing a medical at Southampton after agreeing to spend £12.5m on Shane Long!

Rayne Wooney · 13-08-2014 11:46AM

The thing about Long is he should be scoring more, for 12 million I'd expect him to chip in with 12-15 goals in the league

A goal every 2.5 games isn't much to ask

hjkl · 13-08-2014 11:57AM

With the money going around the EPL these days 12 million isn't same amount of money it was 2-3 years ago. Southampton got 77 million in prize and tv money for finishing 8th last year. That's around 17 million more than Man City got for winning the league in 2012.
The outrage at Long's price is overblown.

CSF · 13-08-2014 12:37PM

frimpong wrote: »

With the money going around the EPL these days 12 million isn't same amount of money it was 2-3 years ago. Southampton got 77 million in prize and tv money for finishing 8th last year. That's around 17 million more than Man City got for winning the league in 2012.
The outrage at Long's price is overblown.

It's still lunacy, you could get so much better on the market for that.

A 27 year old with very limited room for improvement who has a record of about 1 goal in every 5 premiership games.

It's about 3 times what they got for Lambert and does not hold up well when compared to the transfer fee for other strikers.