list of exchanges with less than 24Mbs available

ED E · 09-08-2014 1:33pm

gipi wrote: »

Here in the "bustling metropolis" of Drogheda, getting less than 1Mb speeds on ADSL. My number isn't fibre-enabled according to eircom's site.

Was onto vodafone customer service recently, the guy there told me I'm 10km from the exchange so am lucky to get anything at all and he suggested that I should never have been offered bb in the first place!! I'm not convinced about the distance (knowing where the main exchanges are in the town).

You wouldn't get diallup with a lop that long, nvm dsl. You're 4-5.5km most likely.

SpaceTime · 09-08-2014 1:49pm

The technologies actually don't need bustling metropolitan areas, they need density and about 100+ homes.

The issue in Ireland is usually scattered developments in hinterlands of towns and cities where for all intents and purposes people are in rural areas. Those tend to be the areas that are unserviceable at reasonable cost.

Small villages should actually have good broadband.

Quinntan · 09-08-2014 2:16pm

Some do! The Bohola exchange that I'm on is apparently an ADSL2 exchange, with neighbouring Swinford and Foxford still on ADSL1 according to IrelandOffline.

tomselleck101 · 13-08-2014 9:47am

Pelletstown (Dublin 15) is about 13Mbs / 14Mbs. Paying for "Up to" 24Mbs.

ED E · 13-08-2014 11:31am

tomselleck101 wrote: »

Pelletstown (Dublin 15) is about 13Mbs / 14Mbs. Paying for "Up to" 24Mbs.

Thats your line, not the exchange itself. If you lived next door to the exchange you'd get the 24.

tomselleck101 · 13-08-2014 11:40am

ED E wrote: »

Thats your line, not the exchange itself. If you lived next door to the exchange you'd get the 24.

Oh right, is there any way to find out the actual speed of the exchange?

tomselleck101 · 13-08-2014 11:41am

Or can you derive it given that only 24Mbs is available to the area?

ED E · 13-08-2014 11:51am

There are three "systems" per say.

ADSL1 On legacy backhaul, Up to 7, up to 3 or up to 1Mbps.
ADSL2+ NGN, Up to 24Mbps
VDSL2, Up to 100Mb. This is "eFibre" and when it comes to your area you'll get as much as your line can take depending on how close you are to the local cabinet NOT the exchange.

DRose1 · 13-08-2014 12:13pm

Donore, Drogheda, Co. Meath.

The max people get around here is 3mb and a lot don't get near that. It seems we are halfway between the Drogheda and Duleek exchanges; as such, it seems the likelihood of increased speeds and god forbid fibre speeds, are nowhere on the horizon.

jay93 · 13-08-2014 1:21pm

DRose1 wrote: »

Donore, Drogheda, Co. Meath.

The max people get around here is 3mb and a lot don't get near that. It seems we are halfway between the Drogheda and Duleek exchanges; as such, it seems the likelihood of increased speeds and god forbid fibre speeds, are nowhere on the horizon.

There's a fibre cabinet been built in Donore but who knows how long it will take to get that up and running since here in Duleek they keep trying to delay it. I have a friend in Donore and he gets 1Mb/s on Eircom.

I'm getting 15Mb/s in Duleek on Vodafone some of my family have 20Mb/s here .

I get about 50Mb/s here on 4G over Vodafones 4G network that was recently activated in the area. I think there isn't even a 3G signal in Donore?!! As far as I have seen from been out there or driving through there.

jay93 · 13-08-2014 1:30pm

http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/ Check here it shows Donore is having a cabinet built right now.

Quin_Dub · 13-08-2014 2:07pm

jay93 wrote: »

http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/ Check here it shows Donore is having a cabinet built right now.

Interesting info...

Does anyone know what (if any) are the implications of the location of the "Core Fibre Network" shown on this map?

According to the link above , my exchange is listed as "planned" but no dates yet , however the Core network, based on this map anyway, appears to run past my house , less than 100 yards away...

Is that a good thing for me when the exchange is activated or not?

I'm about 3km from the exchange so in the absence of a cabinet somewhere nearer I might not get a great speed when it's finally enabled..Or does my apparent proximity to the core network infrastructure mean that I'll be in good shape?

ED E · 13-08-2014 2:10pm

Thats trunk fibre, you wont be tapped off it, zero benefit to yourself.

When they link it up youll get up to 8Mb at 3KM on ADSL2+ if you arent already. VDSL wont work.

Quin_Dub · 13-08-2014 2:15pm

ED E wrote: »

Thats trunk fibre, you wont be tapped off it, zero benefit to yourself.

When they link it up youll get up to 8Mb at 3KM on ADSL2+ if you arent already. VDSL wont work.

Thanks - I suspected as much...

Exchange is currently ADSL1 , so barely getting 0.8Mbs on average and usually a lot less..

In terms of exchanges/cabinets - Is there a rule of thumb regarding how many cabinets they install in the foot-print of an exchange for VDSL?

My exchange is a rural one , currently in the centre of a small village , I'd estimate that about 50% of the lines currently connected to it would be 2km+ from the current location. so if they want to get to most users they'll have to install cabinets.. I assume.

jay93 · 13-08-2014 2:23pm

That's a shame im around 300m max from the closest VDSL cabinet they have installed in Duleek they have around 4 installed already with another 2 still to be built so I hope I can expect good speeds.

ED E · 13-08-2014 2:48pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Thanks - I suspected as much...

Exchange is currently ADSL1 , so barely getting 0.8Mbs on average and usually a lot less..

In terms of exchanges/cabinets - Is there a rule of thumb regarding how many cabinets they install in the foot-print of an exchange for VDSL?

My exchange is a rural one , currently in the centre of a small village , I'd estimate that about 50% of the lines currently connected to it would be 2km+ from the current location. so if they want to get to most users they'll have to install cabinets.. I assume.

They might add VDSL cabs in the surrounding area in a few years, but for now they wont as its not economical compared to housing estates.

When the exchange goes to NGN you'll get 8Mb ADSL2+ and people in the centre of the village will get up to 100Mb VDSL2.

charlie_says · 21-09-2014 1:16pm

Is there a way to find out which exchange (or cabinet) someone is connected to via a phone number?

Not what speed it is capable of, but which actual exchange one is hooked up to. I'm puzzled as nearly all of the cabinets around me are VDSL2 enabled yet this line can regularly syncs at ~6Mbit? Unfortunately this house is on a private road and I can't load the address on many checker type sites.

I phoned Vodafone, who claimed that 12Mbit was the maximum speed of that line, so does that mean the exchange I'm connected to is ADSL2? Also are you only connecting to the cabinet (as opposed to the exchange) if you are getting VDSL2?

Thanks

The house in question is located near Mincloon, Galway, off the Mincloon Road

bealtine · 21-09-2014 1:44pm

charlie_says wrote: »

Is there a way to find out which exchange (or cabinet) someone is connected to via a phone number?

Exchange yes but cabinet no not really yet...

See www.irelandoffline.org/map and use the "find by" menu option

tomselleck101 · 21-09-2014 2:12pm

charlie_says wrote: »

Is there a way to find out which exchange (or cabinet) someone is connected to via a phone number?

Not what speed it is capable of, but which actual exchange one is hooked up to. I'm puzzled as nearly all of the cabinets around me are VDSL2 enabled yet this line can regularly syncs at ~6Mbit? Unfortunately this house is on a private road and I can't load the address on many checker type sites.

I phoned Vodafone, who claimed that 12Mbit was the maximum speed of that line, so does that mean the exchange I'm connected to is ADSL2? Also are you only connecting to the cabinet (as opposed to the exchange) if you are getting VDSL2?

Thanks

The house in question is located near Mincloon, Galway, off the Mincloon Road

Yes there is actually, if you put your phone number into the following link, the cabinet details are sometimes returned.

https://www.eircom.net/prequalWidget/rest/ardaddresslook/phone-rsp/XX-YYYY/broadband/true

Where XX is your area code and YYYY is your phone number.

yuloni · 07-12-2014 12:54am

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SpaceTime · 07-12-2014 2:30am

The backhaul sounds quite limited, but the setup wouldn't be unusual.
It's just a remote subscriber unit, basically a bit of an exchange located remotely from it.

The two types of exchanges used by Eircom were specifically chosen because they could do that as it fits the Irish population spread.

yuloni · 07-12-2014 2:46am

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SpaceTime · 07-12-2014 3:16am

They've been using small exchanges for decades, there's nothing new except that the more recent ones are in cabinets instead of little huts. The 1980s versions were in air conditioned shipping containers.

The difference is the gear has just become a LOT more compact.

There seems to be plenty of those Alcatel cabinets, or their Ericsson equivalents scattered around the place.

They're used in urban areas too where a new housing development or business park pops up.
Using rubbish back haul with them is pretty short sighted though, they shouldn't have any issue providing 24mbit/s ADSL2+ as it's not old equipment.

yuloni · 07-12-2014 8:29am

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SpaceTime · 07-12-2014 1:57pm

They'd actually be able to do that very effectively with e Fibre cabinets.

Doing exchange launched VDSL would be fairly pointless anywhere more than 1km from the exchange.

Mountjoy Mugger · 07-12-2014 2:06pm

I suppose it's self evident from the map, but Achill is ADSL1 and shall remain so until the end of time.

ED E · 07-12-2014 2:39pm

Achill Sound has bigger problems than being ADSL1:

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20251:achill-broadband-blown-away&catid=23:news&Itemid=46

Its covered by the NBP though, so something will be done eventually.

Mountjoy Mugger · 07-12-2014 3:16pm

ED E wrote: »

Achill Sound has bigger problems than being ADSL1:

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20251:achill-broadband-blown-away&catid=23:news&Itemid=46

Its covered by the NBP though, so something will be done eventually.

I know. I didn't want to go off topic though.

yuloni · 07-12-2014 4:38pm

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SpaceTime · 07-12-2014 5:17pm

They're quite likely very old digital microwave systems, still using ATM protocols that were originally spec'd to connect a telephone exchange, not broadband.

That would mean enough designed capacity to host a remote voice & ISDN node, not ADSL services.

Shoehorning ADSL onto legacy infrastructure from the early 1990s or even older is probably the issue.

You can have all the modern gear in the world but its only as fast as the slowest link in the chain.

Bear in mind that the PSTN has been using digital tech since 1980 and digital microwave links were used with crossbar (electromechanical exchanges) in the 1970s.

Fibre optics have been in use since the 1980s too. So just because something's fibre or digital doesn't mean it's not absolutely ancient technology.

ED E · 07-12-2014 5:18pm

They're mounted on wooden poles and are 20yrs old, not super surprising they underperform. Eircom just hasnt upgraded as theres no competition around most of the remote link exchanges.

SpaceTime · 07-12-2014 5:49pm

Its a vicious circle too : service deteriorates or is substandard, wireless broadband services provide a better alternative and mobile services are more affordable and compeditively priced.

So, rural customers cut their landlines as all they provide is 2mbit/s low reliability broadband and overpriced voice.

Then Eircom makes less money and the node becomes even less attractive to spend money upgrading. So it just gets left to gather dust and become increasingly obsolete.

I think you're also looking at gear that's from Eircom's asset sweating era - cheap, shortsighted, quick fix solutions designed to keep 1980s digital exchanges running, provide a product that barely meets the description of broadband so they can tick some box on their reports to ComReg and spend no money.

I think ultimately what should happen is where eircom can't or won't provide services that exchange should be taken over by some rural telecoms state agency and eircom reduced to just being a service provider.

Remote areas with bad connectivity would be better off with multiple networks cooperating to provide solid coverage. The population is not dense enough to sustain all these networks.

ED E · 07-12-2014 10:23pm

Right now eircom have the choice of spending money on more and more Huawei cabs or upgrading radio links and the licence fees associated with that knowing fully well the new dishes will only patch the problem for a year or two. Doesnt make financial sense, they'll just wait to slowly join them to core fibre and make em "NGN.

SpaceTime · 07-12-2014 11:16pm

That or they're hoping that the state will subsidise them.

JonMac · 24-12-2014 3:35pm

Recently told my Eircom that there is 12Mbps at the Glin, Co Limerick exchange.

ads20101 · 03-01-2015 11:40am

Kilmihil exchange up to 3 Mb/s - in reality 1.5 to 2 at off peak.

Around 0.2 down during peak (essentially unusable)

Reported the issue with comreg after getting nowhere with the ISP or eircom. Comreg have wrote back stating that it is a congestion issue and there is nothing they can do.

Arrrrrrrggggggg

bealtine · 03-01-2015 11:51am

ads20101 wrote: »

Reported the issue with comreg after getting nowhere with the ISP or eircom. Comreg have wrote back stating that it is a congestion issue and there is nothing they can do.

Comreg are as useful as a fart in a spacesuit...

finianr123 · 06-01-2015 5:11pm

Hayestown Co. Meath

Receiving download speed max 1mb

Vego · 22-01-2015 8:18pm

finianr123 wrote: »

Hayestown Co. Meath

Receiving download speed max 1mb

Hayestown not on any list to be upgraded yet slane and johnstown either side is/has

Vego · 11-03-2015 7:43pm

Vego wrote: »

Hayestown not on any list to be upgraded yet slane and johnstown either side is/has

Had an engineer out for a line fault today, An have been informed that the exchange has been upgraded but the equipment has yet to be commissioned this was due to take place last month ....so he has no idea when this will happen but soon...happy days

atlantic2015 · 19-03-2015 2:49pm

Vego,finianr123
for hayestown exchange (I think this is also called beauparc exchange). I have also been told exchange will be upgraded by eircom support after logging complaint via comreg (although, this sometimes depends on who responds to my calls).
I get regular dropping/disconnecting of broadband signal (not just slow speeds). Hence, I get no continuous service. I have been told this is due to contention and overload in the exchange, and that the only fix is to upgrade the exchange (although, this may be incorrect). Others in the area must be experiencing the same effect.
Initial date for fix was given to be early january, and that has slipped to early march (sometime around now).
This is the second date that's with comreg, and they are awaiting a response in the coming 2 weeks.

for instance, it took me 15 minutes to send a 3 line email (this week) trying to wait on a connection that would stay up long enough. (I suspect the school holidays may have increased the usage..).

Vego · 19-03-2015 8:32pm

Atlantic your time-frame was correct the engineer said as much ....upon a recent conversation with eircom via the talkto section the rep spoke to networks who have denied anywork has taken place and they do not intend on doing any in the near future

I dont know whats going on

atlantic2015 · 20-03-2015 1:40pm

I am awaiting feedback from ComReg and Eircom as to the right level of detail. It has been stated to ComReg that it will be upgraded. If I hear anything, I will post here. Not sure why different answers appear to be coming from Eircom.

Vego · 20-03-2015 7:34pm

atlantic2015 wrote: »

I am awaiting feedback from ComReg and Eircom as to the right level of detail. It has been stated to ComReg that it will be upgraded. If I hear anything, I will post here. Not sure why different answers appear to be coming from Eircom.

A doesn't know what B is doing

* edit - I think somethings happened Friday night no dropouts and good speed ...very very unusual

quattro777 · 14-06-2015 3:28pm

In east Galway....

IR1SH RANG3R · 14-06-2015 3:35pm

In Drumrevagh, Ballina Co. Mayo!

RedLedbetter · 30-06-2015 12:01pm

eircom exchange map shows 4 cabinets in Mountrath, Laois:

MTH1_E01 --> now efibre enabled
MTH1_010 --> planned
MTH1_002 --> planned
MTH1_004 --> planned
MTH1_008 --> planned

Despite this, I have been told by eircom sales that I am connect to the MOUNTRATH exchange (MTHB) which is no plan to be enabled and which I cannot find on any exchange/cabinet map?

So all I can say is MTHB (Mountrath, Laois) is only offering a 3MBps product.

If anyone can shed some light on the relationship between the cabinets above and MTHB, I'll gladly accept it as I'm lost!

ED E · 30-06-2015 12:29pm

Theres a month or twos lag between when an exchange goes live and when NGA is allowed to be ordered. You need to wait until they mark it as next generation so you can get at least the up to 24Mbps product.

lawred2 · 12-08-2015 12:45pm

bealtine wrote: »

Comreg are as useful as a fart in a spacesuit...

wonder what the political appointee to industry experts ratio is

lawred2 · 12-08-2015 12:45pm

quattro777 wrote: »

In east Galway....

sweet

list of exchanges with less than 24Mbs available

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