Beef General Thread

Charliebull · 08-08-2014 10:02PM

jt65 wrote: »

don't often post on this thread but here goes looking for some advise

have a bundle of aa & her type heifers i bought as weanlings last year,
suckler stock , blocky lowish frames (mar /apr 2013) reckons about 420 kgs

have about 4 to 6 weeks good grass ,

what to do ?

1. start meal feeding and possible silage for last couple of weeks & kill November

2. grass for a couple more weeks & mart

3. house early , moderate meal and kill in spring

have shed space & silage if I sell before winter will most likely replace with weanlings

any ideas ?

What colour are the herx heifers, the right colour might go well at the maiden heifer sales,

exercise is the antidote · 08-08-2014 10:46PM

I said wrote: »

Anyone use these and do they find them accurate enoughish ?

I have one it's different brand bought it off magenta. Noticed it measured about 40-50kg more When I sold a few bullocks. So now I know to take that away when I weigh so yeah it's very good to have. A lot cheaper than a weigh scales.

Base price · 08-08-2014 10:51PM

I said wrote: »

Anyone use these and do they find them accurate enoughish ?

I used to help a local dairy farmer during calving season and he occasionally used a tape to measure the progress of his replacement (yearling +) heifers.

TUBBY · 09-08-2014 08:15AM

jt65 wrote: »

don't often post on this thread but here goes looking for some advise

have a bundle of aa & her type heifers i bought as weanlings last year,
suckler stock , blocky lowish frames (mar /apr 2013) reckons about 420 kgs

have about 4 to 6 weeks good grass ,

what to do ?

1. start meal feeding and possible silage for last couple of weeks & kill November

2. grass for a couple more weeks & mart

3. house early , moderate meal and kill in spring

have shed space & silage if I sell before winter will most likely replace with weanlings

any ideas ?

Imo you wont see a whole lot of benefit from meal feeding angus and whiteheads too much. Their big advantage is finishing off grass. So to answer your options above.

1. No more than 2-3kg a head for last 6 weeks with good grass would be as much meal as i would do. If you selling in 3 months and doing that they should do another 60kg-70kg approx. Killout @51% or 52% with weight 480kg. Say beef price is 3.70. This is 950 approx incl bird bia. Input is meal really approx 40 euro per animal.

2. Mart: sell in couple weeks @ 430kg. Beef whithead and angus will get 2/kg. That's 860. Can then buy back and have 50kg on your replacement before housing.

3. Madness i think. Did it myself last year and lost money. Beef price doesn't justify shed finish at the moment. Cost/kg for weight gain too high.

so i reckon 2 but would sell soon. Stores a good trade now cause grass plentiful. When it tightens, price will drop.

whelan2 · 09-08-2014 08:50AM

I said wrote: »

Anyone use these and do they find them accurate enoughish ?

think greengrass has one

jt65 · 09-08-2014 10:15AM

TUBBY wrote: »

Imo you wont see a whole lot of benefit from meal feeding angus and whiteheads too much. Their big advantage is finishing off grass. So to answer your options above.

1. No more than 2-3kg a head for last 6 weeks with good grass would be as much meal as i would do. If you selling in 3 months and doing that they should do another 60kg-70kg approx. Killout @51% or 52% with weight 480kg. Say beef price is 3.70. This is 950 approx incl bird bia. Input is meal really approx 40 euro per animal.

2. Mart: sell in couple weeks @ 430kg. Beef whithead and angus will get 2/kg. That's 860. Can then buy back and have 50kg on your replacement before housing.

3. Madness i think. Did it myself last year and lost money. Beef price doesn't justify shed finish at the moment. Cost/kg for weight gain too high.

so i reckon 2 but would sell soon. Stores a good trade now cause grass plentiful. When it tightens, price will drop.

thanks
think 2 is the best choice any how the feed merchants have had enough from me as it is.

@ Charliebull , they are black with almost black heads as well (hex on cards)

wouldn't be my choice for the bull more beefy and won't ever grow in sizable beasts.

sandydan · 11-08-2014 10:33AM

jt65 wrote: »

don't often post on this thread but here goes looking for some advise

have a bundle of aa & her type heifers i bought as weanlings last year,
suckler stock , blocky lowish frames (mar /apr 2013) reckons about 420 kgs

have about 4 to 6 weeks good grass ,

what to do ?

1. start meal feeding and possible silage for last couple of weeks & kill November

2. grass for a couple more weeks & mart

3. house early , moderate meal and kill in spring

have shed space & silage if I sell before winter will most likely replace with weanlings

any ideas ?

id go 2 as well but not in big lots some farmer will bid on small numbers (down here anyway) but not in 5s or 6s. seen small numbers sell well but you are depending on buyers otherwise ( that would suit larry fine for his feedlots)

sandydan · 11-08-2014 10:45AM

blue5000 wrote: »

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/putin-s-food-ban-hurts-russia/504762.html

Might not last too long.

wouldn't put much store in newspaper analysis of Putin . he rules with an iron fist and recons Russians should support own brand as that sales will result in own bands(factories) getting finance to improve quality and profits. bit like opinion or attitude of no Export market for Irish live Beef to UK market supported by minister for tanks and tractors imo

Reggie. · 11-08-2014 11:45AM

sandydan wrote: »

wouldn't put much store in newspaper analysis of Putin . he rules with an iron fist and recons Russians should support own brand as that sales will result in own bands(factories) getting finance to improve quality and profits. bit like opinion or attitude of no Export market for Irish live Beef to UK market supported by minister for tanks and tractors imo

Minister for tanks and tractors..... i like that

exercise is the antidote · 12-08-2014 06:28PM

Hey folks what would you think FR bullocks would make in the mart at the minute. Between 420-450kg. Good quality.

simx · 12-08-2014 07:59PM

exercise is the antidote wrote: »

Hey folks what would you think FR bullocks would make in the mart at the minute. Between 420-450kg. Good quality.

Circa 1.50-1.60/kg, plain cattle meant to be well back in enniscorthy today

Brown Podzol · 12-08-2014 09:54PM

exercise is the antidote wrote: »

Hey folks what would you think FR bullocks would make in the mart at the minute. Between 420-450kg. Good quality.

From 200 with the weight down, depending on quality. Macroom Sat.

larrymiller · 12-08-2014 11:18PM

simx wrote: »

Circa 1.50-1.60/kg, plain cattle meant to be well back in enniscorthy today

Tbh I think the cattle sales there ain't great, and a few fellas I know either going to Ross now or carnew

exercise is the antidote · 12-08-2014 11:25PM

simx wrote: »

Circa 1.50-1.60/kg, plain cattle meant to be well back in enniscorthy today

Noticed that the last day I was there.

exercise is the antidote · 12-08-2014 11:37PM

larrymiller wrote: »

Tbh I think the cattle sales there ain't great, and a few fellas I know either going to Ross now or carnew

Carnew is a nice spot ye wouldn't think its a mart pulling up to it.

larrymiller · 12-08-2014 11:45PM

exercise is the antidote wrote: »

Carnew is a nice spot ye wouldn't think its a mart pulling up to it.

I've never been as I've never left enniscorthy mart. Maybe next spring I'll venture further afield but I'd be nervous going in to a new place

nashmach · 13-08-2014 10:25AM

larrymiller wrote: »

I've never been as I've never left enniscorthy mart. Maybe next spring I'll venture further afield but I'd be nervous going in to a new place

The dealers might run them all up on you :eek:

Thought numbers in Enniscorthy were quite small now?

sandydan · 13-08-2014 11:40PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Minister for tanks and tractors..... i like that

saw it on rag parade in Rosscarbery last Sunday evening , the local td copped and earful of should i say plackcards full of slang,re expectations of promotion in recent reshuffle in return for promoting idea of replacing existing council workers in places with lads getting €20 week + dole in 100 kmp zones like roundabouts, think they are limited to 50 km zones without flags and safety training afaik.
a number of co council workers were threatened with sack allegedly, definitely were suspended for filling potholes they spotted without having various H&Safety trimmings in Co Cork in recent times . talk about red tape.

Reggie. · 13-08-2014 11:42PM

sandydan wrote: »

saw it on rag parade in Rosscarbery last Sunday evening , the local td copped and earful of should i say plackcards full of slang,re expectations of promotion in recent reshuffle in return for promoting idea of replacing existing council workers in places with lads getting €20 week + dole in 100 kmp zones like roundabouts, think they are limited to 50 km zones without flags and safety training afaik.
a number of co council workers were threatened with sack allegedly, definitely were suspended for filling potholes they spotted without having various H&Safety trimmings in Co Cork in recent times . talk about red tape.

Pure madness

Charliebull · 15-08-2014 01:03PM

special weanling sale last night, it was bloddy depressing to see what some good quality stock was making

its going to be a long hard winter

Damo810 · 15-08-2014 01:35PM

"I'm doing **** all"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oRSnDcJOxo

epfff · 15-08-2014 02:05PM

amo810 wrote: »

"I'm doing **** all"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oRSnDcJOxo

would a good kick in the stones do that lad any good

Ps fg voter all my life

epfff · 15-08-2014 02:25PM

amo810 wrote: »

"I'm doing **** all"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oRSnDcJOxo

would a good kick in the stones do that lad any good

Ps fg voter all my life

thetangler · 15-08-2014 02:30PM

Charliebull wrote: »

special weanling sale last night, it was bloddy depressing to see what some good quality stock was making

its going to be a long hard winter

I was probablly at the same one but from a different point of view it will be hard to see them cattle leaving money at present beef prices never mind if they drop more.

_Brian · 15-08-2014 02:46PM

thetangler wrote: »

I was probablly at the same one but from a different point of view it will be hard to see them cattle leaving money at present beef prices never mind if they drop more.

Was in Ballybay last Saturday, no paper of course to jot down prices but decent 330-350 CH heifers were making ~€800/850
I'm thinking they left damn all money with the suckler farmer and by some of the comments on here there isn't much confidence they would leave much money to bring them on and then finish.. Not great news for anyone really !

Went down the the calf ring and it was a total sham, just a sham !. I stood over beside the auctioneer and the dealers were heckling down to the sellers that they were getting no more for their calves and to come to them and do a deal afterwards.. the auctioneer seemed OK with this.. I wanted to punch them all in their faces !! ~HEX calves making €200, LM heifers making €220

Charliebull · 15-08-2014 03:09PM

thetangler wrote: »

I was probablly at the same one but from a different point of view it will be hard to see them cattle leaving money at present beef prices never mind if they drop more.

i dont blame the man who is buying, he has a margin to work too as well, its back to the whole factory scenario,

look at a plain 320kg chx feb born bull calf going to 850 euro and a 450kg lmx nov born bull calf going to 950 euro. it dont take a wise man to figure out which is the way to go, spring born weanlings been driven by low input hardy cow and grass , anything else is a waste of time and money IMO

Charliebull · 15-08-2014 03:11PM

_Brian wrote: »

Was in Ballybay last Saturday, no paper of course to jot down prices but decent 330-350 CH heifers were making ~€800/850
I'm thinking they left damn all money with the suckler farmer and by some of the comments on here there isn't much confidence they would leave much money to bring them on and then finish.. Not great news for anyone really !

Went down the the calf ring and it was a total sham, just a sham !. I stood over beside the auctioneer and the dealers were heckling down to the sellers that they were getting no more for their calves and to come to them and do a deal afterwards.. the auctioneer seemed OK with this.. I wanted to punch them all in their faces !! ~HEX calves making €200, LM heifers making €220

In the current market brian that probably is the price and we will have to use that as a reference and budget back from there

Muckit · 15-08-2014 05:24PM

_Brian wrote: »

Was in Ballybay last Saturday, no paper of course to jot down prices but decent 330-350 CH heifers were making ~€800/850 quote]

That would be the price of them and they would want to be good ones. Did you load up the trailer with them calves or what are you running on the land now?

LivInt20 · 15-08-2014 07:21PM

Quality export quality Bull weanlings make just €900 in Ballymote last night.

Shocking stuff.

Farmer Pudsey · 15-08-2014 07:21PM

_Brian wrote: »

Was in Ballybay last Saturday, no paper of course to jot down prices but decent 330-350 CH heifers were making ~€800/850
I'm thinking they left damn all money with the suckler farmer and by some of the comments on here there isn't much confidence they would leave much money to bring them on and then finish.. Not great news for anyone really !

Went down the the calf ring and it was a total sham, just a sham !. I stood over beside the auctioneer and the dealers were heckling down to the sellers that they were getting no more for their calves and to come to them and do a deal afterwards.. the auctioneer seemed OK with this.. I wanted to punch them all in their faces !! ~HEX calves making €200, LM heifers making €220

I think a few birds are coming home to roost. I made the point last spring that unless processors were prevented from owing and renting feedlots and using these to control factory prices that this would effect finisher confidance. This is now appearing look at my thread about lads quitting or reducing level of finishing this winter. there are a lot of us that will not finish cattle this winter.

Some made the point that this was competition however when true competition is not there it will cause price collapse. We are now seeing the result of that even thought feed prices look like they will be lower than the previous 3 years

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