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  • #302
    I said
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    Thanks men will get on the phone during the week


  • #303
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    God when supposedly one of the most profitable beef farmers in the country, on some of the best land can't see a future in sucklers, it says a lot.


  • #304
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Muckit wrote: »
    God when supposedly one of the most profitable beef farmers in the country, on some of the best land can't see a future in sucklers, it says a lot.

    Tbh l wouldn't be surprised if the other farmer on that open day went milking. It would depend on his family situation, whether any of his kids were going to carry on. Tom has plenty of experience with cows and was always a stickler for details. It would be a seamless transition for him.


  • #305
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Muckit wrote: »
    God when supposedly one of the most profitable beef farmers in the country, on some of the best land can't see a future in sucklers, it says a lot.

    Read the article the most standout statement is he makes more out of bough in cattle than out of his own.:eek:


  • #306
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Yes. After making the switch, l can agree :)


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  • #307
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Muckit wrote: »
    Yes. After making the switch, l can agree :)

    Never made the switch:D:D


  • #308
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Muckit wrote: »
    God when supposedly one of the most profitable beef farmers in the country, on some of the best land can't see a future in sucklers, it says a lot.

    Yes but they are basing this on costs of 700 euro per anum to keep a suckler cow. I'd like to see what's in those costs. Maybe they are big 800+ kg cows not 550kg efficient cows.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #309
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Yes but they are basing this on costs of 700 euro per anum to keep a suckler cow. I'd like to see what's in those costs. Maybe they are big 800+ kg cows not 550kg efficient cows.

    I'm not convinced that these smaller cows produce a calf that is far enough ahead of a dairy/ beef cross calf to justify their existence either.
    I kill all grades shapes and colours.
    Example. 2 bullocks from load last week.

    1 big black lim. Half friesian under 30 months. March born. Plain enough on the hoof but well fleshed. Graded r- 4-356 kgs. €1377.

    Red lim with white head. Half hereford id guess. Under30 months. Feb born. 367kgs r=4= €1420.

    Now a direct comparison against both is a friend of mine who killed cattle the previous day. Big white Charolais. Dec born. Just under 30 mths. 480something weight carcass. Something in region of €1900.(i can't remember exactly). Was only. A 2 + fat score.


  • #310
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    Was the 480 kg carcase penalised for overweight ?


  • #311
    severeoversteer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭severeoversteer


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Big white Charolais. Dec born. Just under 30 mths. 480something weight carcass. Something in region of €1900.(i can't remember exactly). Was only. A 2 + fat score.


    id agree that that animal was fit to be killed

    what would it have cost him to feed that beast into a 3-=+


    and aswell he got a good price if he got 1900 euro for 480 carcase weight that's 3.95 euro a kilo


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  • #312
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    dharn wrote: »
    Was the 480 kg carcase penalised for overweight ?

    No cut. Didn't get 11euro bonus scheme that factory has itself that's all.


  • #313
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Willfarman wrote: »
    I'm not convinced that these smaller cows produce a calf that is far enough ahead of a dairy/ beef cross calf to justify their existence either.
    I kill all grades shapes and colours.
    Example. 2 bullocks from load last week.

    1 big black lim. Half friesian under 30 months. March born. Plain enough on the hoof but well fleshed. Graded r- 4-356 kgs. €1377.

    Red lim with white head. Half hereford id guess. Under30 months. Feb born. 367kgs r=4= €1420.

    Now a direct comparison against both is a friend of mine who killed cattle the previous day. Big white Charolais. Dec born. Just under 30 mths. 480something weight carcass. Something in region of €1900.(i can't remember exactly). Was only. A 2 + fat score.
    If he was dec born and killed in july isn't that 31 months?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #314
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    blue5000 wrote: »
    If he was dec born and killed in july isn't that 31 months?

    He might have been in the rushes for a month


  • #315
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    Apologies yes he was February born. He told me he sent him under fleshed because he was running overage in a few days. I miscalculated


  • #316
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    And he possibly did get a month or two in the hedge as well!


  • #317
    grange mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭grange mac


    Ear to the Ground will tell if there is a future in beef farming after the as break....I know the answer to that already...


  • #318
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,109 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    grange mac wrote: »
    Ear to the Ground will tell if there is a future in beef farming after the as break....I know the answer to that already...
    its a repeat, will be interesting to hear what last years outlook was


  • #319
    sandydan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭sandydan


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Read the article the most standout statement is he makes more out of bough in cattle than out of his own.:eek:

    wonder would last 3 weeks mart prices changed the costings in that ,. over last 3 weeks in Skibb mart calf prices have shot from average €180 to €300 for good calf while strong one easily beating €350.hd lim ch and Xs of
    i know i was told calf prices were in that range in Wexford and Galway area early in year but not around here so maybe argument is irrelevant but...
    prices for 15 month cattle are around €600 + kg for Ch lim while 26 month over 650 kg min cattle can vary from €480 to €550 for Ch lim . others 100 less
    less than 6oo kg could be drastically less +kg


  • #320
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Russian ban on EU products will be another stick to beat down beef prices!!


  • #321
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,774 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Muckit wrote: »
    Russian ban on EU products will be another stick to beat down beef prices!!
    Heard it this morning on the news as we were having breakfast and OH said "there is another excuse for the factories to down the prices". We have a double of mixed cows, boners and bullocks to get away for ourselves and some neighbours next week. See what happens...
    Although I think the pig farmers might be hit hard too as I understand a lot of Irish pork is exported to Russia.


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  • #322
    whelan2
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    Muckit wrote: »
    Russian ban on EU products will be another stick to beat down beef prices!!

    Why are they banning EU products?


  • #323
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,774 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Why are they banning EU products?
    Backlash over EU santions re Ukraine.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/russia-retaliates-western-sanctions-ban-food-imports


  • #324
    sandydan
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    Base price wrote: »
    Backlash over EU santions re Ukraine.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/russia-retaliates-western-sanctions-ban-food-imports
    partly that and the Malaysian aircraft shoot down as well - which i personally recon the lions share of blame rests with Malaysia Airlines ,profit before passenger safety overflying War Zone air space -and other things. US having to be seen to act after publishing rocket and missile firing by Russia after Edward Snowdon's defection to Russia after publishing the extent of US worldwide surveillance of all Governments EU and Worldwide .The effects of squeeze on Russian top notchers and mafia or is it triad who have billions in investments in overseas banks in places mostly in east Mediterranean countries but worldwide IMO, these are now frozen and cant be accessed until this affair is over, however a lot of that will be sorted under the radar IMO. similar to what happened in some insolvent banking institutions allegedly a few years back,when risky funding ( Russian and other nationality allegedly) was moved(allegedly again after top level intervention) while normal investors money went down the swanny,so what else would you expect from loyal conscientious EU politicians elected to look after their own national interest and those of their countrymen in times like that. of course US Agri will now use this to get Gen Mod products into EU in return for allowing EU meat exports into US imo:(


  • #325
    sandydan
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    pigmeat exports from Ireland to Russia have been banned since January ,dairy and beef banned and certain powder products since June. biggest hit may now be cheese as around 10,000 ton is exported to Russia annually. but meat factories will drop prices regardless of not exporting since June, think beef prices are being hit more by factories stalling than markets,and "nomadic" beef is right into their oil-can,wonder will NI and UK pressure to sort sheep sales to Republic help more to sort that issue than our misnter for agrifence


  • #326
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Beef prices will always fall as it's the 'fall'. Helps larry and his contract finishers stock up in the marts if beef prices are lower. He could be in for a surprise this autumn, lots of suckler cows gone in the last 2 years, especially in the west. I think some who got out of suckling have feed now and empty sheds. Wonder will there be more willy waving around mart rings this 'fall'?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #327
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Beef prices will always fall as it's the 'fall'. Helps larry and his contract finishers stock up in the marts if beef prices are lower. He could be in for a surprise this autumn, lots of suckler cows gone in the last 2 years, especially in the west. I think some who got out of suckling have feed now and empty sheds. Wonder will there be more willy waving around mart rings this 'fall'?

    This autumn could go either way. Finishers are reluctant to commit without a price gaurantee. Lots of smaller lads will exit. Absent of friesian bull market will not help. This may stop prices rising. However Loads of silage and lads hate to see it sitting there. Also from October on 30 months cattle will be gone.


  • #328
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Base price wrote: »
    Backlash over EU santions re Ukraine.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/russia-retaliates-western-sanctions-ban-food-imports
    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/putin-s-food-ban-hurts-russia/504762.html

    Might not last too long.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #329
    I said
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    Anyone use these and do they find them accurate enoughish ?


  • #330
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,638 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    I said wrote: »
    Anyone use these and do they find them accurate enoughish ?

    Have one but never got round to using it yet


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  • #331
    jt65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭jt65


    don't often post on this thread but here goes looking for some advise

    have a bundle of aa & her type heifers i bought as weanlings last year,
    suckler stock , blocky lowish frames (mar /apr 2013) reckons about 420 kgs

    have about 4 to 6 weeks good grass ,

    what to do ?

    1. start meal feeding and possible silage for last couple of weeks & kill November

    2. grass for a couple more weeks & mart

    3. house early , moderate meal and kill in spring

    have shed space & silage if I sell before winter will most likely replace with weanlings

    any ideas ?


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