Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Petition here to expel the Israeli ambassador. Not that they will but at least its making an effort. Their facebook and twitter pages are nothing but propaganda. With the comments on facebook well maintained and criticism deleted to give the view they have support.

They also have on facebook as their cover photo an image of the Irish and Israeli flag with the worlds "We stand with Israel" on it. Given the page is nothing but anti Palestine and Pro Israeli offensive crap I'd say they should be forced to remove the Irish flag. http://i.imgur.com/BrSgFRZ.png

signed and I shall be passing it onto my friends.

A can of soup will explode if you put a sealed can on a burner...

Manic Moran wrote: »

There are different types of explosion though. That's purely one based on contained pressure (pretty much subsonic), not expanding supersonic chemical detonation.



That's the same video I linked to. (Obviously you didn't check my link, thank you for the courtesy). It bears no resemblance to a munitions blast, and you know it.

This is beginning to resemble the unnecessary semantics we had awhile back between 'squeezing the trigger' and 'pulling the trigger'. All it does it takes us away from the psychotic actions of those who target and fire at a hospital.

At this point I'm beginning to think two things I never thought I'd imagine myself considering just because of this genocide:

1.Israel,the U.S and Britain are gone so right wing and so hell bent on enforcing Zionism on the Palestinians that the war is unwinable and that the palestinians will be wiped out it they stay there.so they should just leave the rotten scumbags to it and be taken in as refugees.they should be given tens of billions to fund this by the Israelis and the U.S as they are the ones causing the mess.I hate admitting it but it's the only way I can see them saving themselves.

2. The U.S , Israel and Britain now look like lunatic states that see fit to cause trouble anywhere their interests aren't being met.they've destabilized a lot of countries in the last 15 years and no one seems to be able to counter it. They blatantly ignore the U.N.
From a European perspective I think European countries should unify in every way possible to counter this.cut all ties with NATO etc and set up a new European military union. I know that sounds extreme but I don't trust the Russians or chinese either and I think a new force is needed to project a new moderating power to stabalize European interests and project a meaningful opposition to these rogue governments.

Gringo180 wrote: »

Good post. Also, I would trust the likes of Putin and Jinping more than I would Obama or Cameron.

Not a hope,I wouldn't trust Putin as far as I could throw him. I'd have more faith in someone like Angela Merkel or francois Holland though.Especially Merkel,she's highly articulate,not hot headed and looks like she has integrity.I think because of WW 2 Europe has learned it's lesson and matured greatly. The rest of the world looks juvenile and dangerous to me.

smurgen wrote: »

At this point I'm beginning to think two things I never thought I'd imagine myself considering just because of this genocide:

1.Israel,the U.S and Britain are gone so right wing and so hell bent on enforcing Zionism on the Palestinians that the war is unwinable and that the palestinians will be wiped out it they stay there.so they should just leave the rotten scumbags to it and be taken in as refugees.they should be given tens of billions to fund this by the Israelis and the U.S as they are the ones causing the mess.I hate admitting it but it's the only way I can see them saving themselves.

2. The U.S , Israel and Britain now look like lunatic states that see fit to cause trouble anywhere their interests aren't being met.they've destabilized a lot of countries in the last 15 years and no one seems to be able to counter it. They blatantly ignore the U.N.
From a European perspective I think European countries should unify in every way possible to counter this.cut all ties with NATO etc and set up a new European military union. I know that sounds extreme but I don't trust the Russians or chinese either and I think a new force is needed to project a new moderating power to stabalize European interests and project a meaningful opposition to these rogue governments.

Not to be hysterical but point 2 sounds like the precursor to ww3.

And as for the rest well most of it's true. This whole new "axis of evil" thing people seem to have going on with the US,Britain and Israel is utter crap though. The US has been fighting dirty wars for decades for the sole purpose of money. Suddenly now everybody cares coz Israel is involved?

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And that's exactly the hysterical ****e the pro-US/Israel people will cry and threaten with every time Europe looks to work as a military and political cohesive block. WW3 me hole. Europe as a whole needs to look after itself or both Russia and the US will pull the piss. The abstention from the last UN vote wasn't the right decision, but at least it shows the EU might be moving in that direction and getting its collective act together.

Exactly,you have to look at the bigger picture here.the US has shown it has no problems using states it backs to exert force on its rivals.it's already tried to put a defensive weapons system in Poland much to the annoyance of the Russians. That's a little to close to home if you ask me.they seems to have a drip drip effect when it comes to enforcing influence. If we don't start coming together God only knows what could happen 25-50 years down the road . The borders between Russia and Europe could become the new middle east.
Funny thing is one of the straws that really broke the camels back for me was the rantings of two comedians/entertainers Howard stern and Joan Rivers.I used to find them two hilarious until recently but they've let the mask slip horribly.rivers actually said Palestinians deserved to be dead and got away with it. There was minimal backlash. If you replaced the word palestinian with Jew,gays or blacks would it be as tolerated?is there anything to stop incitement of hatred in the US press?

smurgen wrote: »

Not a hope,I wouldn't trust Putin as far as I could throw him.

So unfair, where are the Mods? I'm such a nice guy when you get to know me.

Nodin wrote: »

Well you're not going to like what you hear at a pro-Palestinian protest, are you?

Great turn out. Thousands and thousands of people telling Israel that their slaughter must stop and that their regime is going to go the same way as their fellow travellers the apartheid regime.

brimal wrote: »

Who is this awful woman speaking at the protest at Pembroke street?

2 minutes in and she's already defended Hamas and spouted out a rape analogy.

The crowd are lapping it up.

That young woman's name is Freda and she is with the IPSC. She has been campaigning on the Palestine issues for eons. She defended Hamas's right to exist, saying that it was the right of the occupied to put up a resistance. At no time did she condone or defend Hamas's firing rockets into Israel. And her "Rape Analogy" was that blaming Hamas for resisting the occupation of Israel was like blaming a rape victim for fighting back against their attacker.

I don't see anything wrong with either of these statements and neither did the 1000's that were at the march either.

smurgen wrote: »

Funny thing is one of the straws that really broke the camels back for me was the rantings of two comedians/entertainers Howard stern and Joan Rivers.I used to find them two hilarious until recently but they've let the mask slip horribly.rivers actually said Palestinians deserved to be dead and got away with it. There was minimal backlash. If you replaced the word palestinian with Jew,gays or blacks would it be as tolerated?is there anything to stop incitement of hatred in the US press?

For anyone who hasn't seen this dreadful woman accompanied with her copious amounts of verbal diarrhoea, here's the clip:



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