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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #3302
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    If you mean me, I certainly am not going to debate with people who have no problem with links being put up as reference sources from the notorious Jew hate site "rense". I will continue to debate, time permitting, with posters I consider rational.

    I provided you with several other links from different sites showing that Israel illegally uses Palestinian children as human shields. You then went on to totally ignore all evidence and any posts about this issue and went off on a different tangent.


  • #3303
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    The main thing now is that the truce is holding. I feel confident that a solution, that suits both sides, is within reach.

    Not going to happen. The Palestinians are going to be screwed in this deal


  • #3304
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    Not going to happen. The Palestinians are going to be screwed in this deal

    You underestimate them


  • #3305
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Ya, that looks like a site you can trust

    Well that is something you can debate, but they do refute the video being passed around and claimed to be Hamas using Human Shields. You can look at the Youtube links they provide. The video originates from earlier in the year. You can question the source, but you can't refute what there saying, which is accurate, and the information coming from Youtube....


  • #3306
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    wes wrote: »
    I asked you to provide evidence of the above earlier? I also posted a reminder a few times as well.

    I have never heard of rense before today, and for the life of me, I can't understand why you haven't provide example of why this site is Anti-semetic.

    http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/rense-web-site-promotes.html


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  • #3307
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Ya, that looks like a site you can trust

    http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=2915

    How about this site or this

    https://www.facebook.com/CHOICEandTRUTH/posts/910246675656077

    Or this

    http://www.veooz.com/photos/IHKz2uv.html

    There's many more take your pick


  • #3308
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/rense-web-site-promotes.html

    :rolleyes:
    The Anti-Defamation League was founded in 1913 "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all." Now the nation's premier civil rights human relations agency, ADL fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all.


  • #3309
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    porsche959 wrote: »
    http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/rense-web-site-promotes.html

    We don't like it so it's antisemitism , defence league


  • #3310
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    hju6 wrote: »
    http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=2915

    How about this site or this

    https://www.facebook.com/CHOICEandTRUTH/posts/910246675656077

    Or this

    http://www.veooz.com/photos/IHKz2uv.html

    There's many more take your pick


    Some guy on facebook! And a few pictures of some people using computers!


  • #3311
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Lol

    adl.org

    Looks like the most anti Muslim site ever :rolleyes:

    Can you provide proof of your assertion that the ADL is anti-Muslim please.


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  • #3312
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭h2005


    porsche959 wrote: »
    http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/rense-web-site-promotes.html

    I don't know enough about the Rense site to form an opinion but the group you linked aren't the most balanced either.


  • #3313
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭h2005


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Can you provide proof of your assertion that the ADL is anti-Muslim please.

    http://www.alternet.org/world/how-anti-defamation-league-fuels-islamophobia


  • #3314
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Can you provide proof of your assertion that the ADL is anti-Muslim please.

    As soon as you prove Hamas use children as human shields and then answer my questions about the IDF using Palestinian children as human shields.


  • #3315
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    porsche959 wrote: »
    http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/rense-web-site-promotes.html

    Thanks for the eventual answer.


  • #3316
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    wes wrote: »
    Thanks for the eventual answer.

    You could have found it yourself in five seconds googling. Not sure why this was beyond you.


  • #3317
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    porsche959 wrote: »
    You could have found it yourself in five seconds googling. Not sure why this was beyond you.

    You made the claim, all I was asking was information and nothing more. I don't have to go searching some obscure web site I have never hear to confirm the point you were making, that kind of on you.

    Also, you referred to the site as rense.org, and when I went looking for that, I found nothing.


  • #3318
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Some guy on facebook! And a few pictures of some people using computers!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/world/middleeast/young-israelis-fight-hashtag-battle-to-defend-israelunderfire.html

    New York Times?

    Or

    http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=362804

    Jerusalem Post?

    Israel student union sets up “war room” to sell Gaza massacre on Facebook

    As the death toll from Israel’s savage bombardment of Gaza continues to climb, Israel has once again turned to students to sell the slaughter online.


  • #3319
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    The main thing now is that the truce is holding. I feel confident that a solution, that suits both sides, is within reach.

    Liberman: Don’t cooperate with Gaza fact-finding mission
    Foreign minister urges lawmakers to shun any international committee probing Israel’s actions in Gaza

    "As a 72-hour truce between Israel and Hamas entered its second day Wednesday, Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman urged lawmakers not to cooperate with any international fact-finding mission on Israel’s campaign in the Gaza Strip.

    After holding consultations with senior Foreign Ministry officials, as well as the ministry’s director-general, Liberman said a decision was made to not cooperate with any committee probing the IDF’s conduct during the 29-day Operation Protective Edge, should such a committee be set up by the international community."
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/liberman-dont-cooperate-with-gaza-fact-finding-mission/

    The main thing now is that Israel is held to account by the civilised world. the Israeli government spin doctors and the IDF apologists, the majority of them , tell us the IDF have done no wrong and Hamas are to blame for everything. all the carnage all the death it's their fault. if Israel have nothing to hide and no case to answer in their eyes then cooperate with the world and any investigation the world sees fit to pursue and show us. or once again will it be the case that Israel sticks two fingers up to the world and operates in it's own world, by it's own rules, outside the remit and rules of the civilised world a defacto pariah state. Israel must be held to account this time if they have a case to answer.


  • #3320
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    hju6 wrote: »
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/world/middleeast/young-israelis-fight-hashtag-battle-to-defend-israelunderfire.html

    New York Times?

    Or

    http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=362804

    Jerusalem Post?

    Israel student union sets up “war room” to sell Gaza massacre on Facebook

    As the death toll from Israel’s savage bombardment of Gaza continues to climb, Israel has once again turned to students to sell the slaughter online.

    Damn you. Why did you go back up your claim. Don't you know that just f**ks up the spin & denials.


  • #3321
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    All quiet while "the students" plan their next bit o spin, sssshhhhhhh


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  • #3322
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    porsche959 wrote: »
    I will continue to debate, time permitting, with posters I consider rational.

    Multiple posts directed at you all conveniently ignored and that's what you come back with nearly half an hour later? Pretty laughable imo.


  • #3323
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    hju6 wrote: »
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/world/middleeast/young-israelis-fight-hashtag-battle-to-defend-israelunderfire.html

    New York Times?

    Or

    http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=362804

    Jerusalem Post?

    Israel student union sets up “war room” to sell Gaza massacre on Facebook

    As the death toll from Israel’s savage bombardment of Gaza continues to climb, Israel has once again turned to students to sell the slaughter online.


    Read up on the editor of the New York Times, and get back to us


  • #3324
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Read up on the editor of the New York Times, and get back to us

    You tell us here,

    Pure laziness and somewhat ignorant not to provide links


  • #3325
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Liberman: Don’t cooperate with Gaza fact-finding mission
    Foreign minister urges lawmakers to shun any international committee probing Israel’s actions in Gaza

    "As a 72-hour truce between Israel and Hamas entered its second day Wednesday, Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman urged lawmakers not to cooperate with any international fact-finding mission on Israel’s campaign in the Gaza Strip.

    After holding consultations with senior Foreign Ministry officials, as well as the ministry’s director-general, Liberman said a decision was made to not cooperate with any committee probing the IDF’s conduct during the 29-day Operation Protective Edge, should such a committee be set up by the international
    community."
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/liberman-dont-cooperate-with-gaza-fact-finding-mission/

    The main thing now is that Israel is held to account by the civilised world. the Israeli government spin doctors and the IDF apologists, the majority of them , tell us the IDF have done no wrong and Hamas are to blame for everything. all the carnage all the death it's their fault. if Israel have nothing to hide and no case to answer in their eyes then cooperate with the world and any investigation the world sees fit to pursue and show us. or once again will it be the case that Israel sticks two fingers up to the world and operates in it's own world, by it's own rules, outside the remit and rules of the civilised world a defacto pariah state. Israel must be held to account this time if they have a case to answer.


    How would you like Israel to be held to account? In an ideal world, bearing in mind that this isn't one, what exactly would you like to see happen?


  • #3326
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Read up on the editor of the New York Times, and get back to us

    Looks like you missed the Jerusalem post part and clear link in that earlier post.


  • #3327
    Azwaldo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Azwaldo55


    Israel is in a far stronger position today.

    1.Egypt is bankrupt and divided.
    2.Syria and Iraq are tearing themselves apart.
    3.Hezbollah in Lebanon have been deterred from attacking Israel out of fear of getting the same treatment as Hamas.
    4.Iran must be doubting whether they can fire rockets at Israel and hit their targets and must fear Israel reprisal if they do.
    5.Hamas are now isolated and in rag order with few avenues of replenishing their rocket supplies. The will or capacity of the Palestinian Arabs to attack Israel is lower than it has been in decades.
    6.The U.S. public support Israel while the shrill anti-semitic European leaders weak and divided are impotent.
    7.Russia and China and India are engaged in wars against Islamic insurgents and can only sympathize with Israel.
    8. The Israel economy is strong and the discovery of oil and gas fields in Israeli waters looks promising.


  • #3328
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    hju6 wrote: »
    You tell us here,

    Pure laziness and somewhat ignorant not to provide links


    All you do is post links from suspect sources. Do you just copy the first thing that pops up in your Google search. You then speak of laziness, how dare you.


  • #3329
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    NotASheeple wrote: »
    Looks like you missed the Jerusalem post part and clear link in that earlier post.

    That's just a tabloid


  • #3330
    Awkward Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Awkward Badger


    Awkward Badger wrote: »
    Supervalu boycotting Israeli products is a pretty big step forward on that front.

    Turns out there was no boycott by Supervalu.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/supervalu-says-it-is-not-involved-in-boycott-of-israeli-produce-1.1889022


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  • #3331
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    How would you like Israel to be held to account? In an ideal world, bearing in mind that this isn't one, what exactly would you like to see happen?


    Do you ever read any of the posts in this thread? Quite a few contributors have already made their suggestions since this thread started. Now why don't you actually strain yourself and go find them. Painful yes, but reading the thread properly would prevent the need to keep asking questions that have already answered. But I'm guressing now that being lazy, you'll probably ask me to do it for you.


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