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Waiting until Marriage.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Silverman11


    Closes eyes...holds nose...dives in (against better judgement) :)

    Well, from personal experience, i was never ''saving'' myself for marriage; plus I am not religious in that way; but i happened to meet the love of my life quite young and before Ireland was shagging everything that moved as a matter of course (hehe).
    It is pretty easy to tell if people are sexually compatible without sex.....the whole all over body magic every time you see them, touch them, smell them, think of them, the whole crazy love thing (ya know, that old-fashioned stuff). So, for various reasons, including my being young and a bit of an innocent, we did not have ''full'' sex for a good while and just before marriage as it happens. (But there's a lot of fun things to do between kissing and screwing, as an old lady once told me.)
    Yeah, in the beginning it was a learning curve but mad mad love and enthusiasm makes up for lack of experience. He was also a first timer. But yeah, there is something special about figuring that stuff out with someone who is the love of your life.
    So 27 years later I will say that we are very lucky and are actually constantly learning, surprising each other. Sex wise I mean. Yeah, life is never a bed of roses all the time, but if you are mad about someone you will know that at the beginning and work through it.
    I am not saying it is for everyone and it was completely circumstantial and unplanned on my part, but just writing this to dispel the notion that one has to have had many partners or even more than one to know a hot sex life.
    He's been away for a few days with the kids. CANNOT wait till he gets home :D

    Thank you so much. This is what I have been talking about :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭AlexisM


    And to follow on from that story OP, i would suggest that you look to get married very young (and quickly after meeting her...) or accept that your pool of women willing to accept a 'no sex before marriage' rule will grow smaller every year.

    It is possible but you need to be careful that this strict rule doesn#t overtake the primary goal which should be to have a lasting, happy marriage. I have a cousin who waited but he ended up waiting a looong time. He had various relationships over the years but they invariably ended as the girlfriends 'made demands' of him (his words) that he was unwilling to go along with. He got married in his 40s. It's a large part (and the most virile part) of your life to go without sex.

    If you don't get married young, it will definitely get more difficult to find a girlfriend willing to wait - and willing to put up with her friends and family questioning and worrying about what's wrong with you that you don't want to have sex with her. If my friend/sister/daughter told me her boyfriend didn't want to have sex, I would be concerned that he was a bit weird TBH and had some deep-seated sexual issues. And there'll be complications and temptations - there will be an assumption that you ARE having sex so if you go away together, you'll probably be put sharing a room.

    So all in all, the best advice is probably get married young and/or only look in the pool of like-minded Christians.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Silverman11


    AlexisM wrote: »
    And to follow on from that story OP, i would suggest that you look to get married very young (and quickly after meeting her...) or accept that your pool of women willing to accept a 'no sex before marriage' rule will grow smaller every year.

    It is possible but you need to be careful that this strict rule doesn#t overtake the primary goal which should be to have a lasting, happy marriage. I have a cousin who waited but he ended up waiting a looong time. He had various relationships over the years but they invariably ended as the girlfriends 'made demands' of him (his words) that he was unwilling to go along with. He got married in his 40s. It's a large part (and the most virile part) of your life to go without sex.

    If you don't get married young, it will definitely get more difficult to find a girlfriend willing to wait - and willing to put up with her friends and family questioning and worrying about what's wrong with you that you don't want to have sex with her. If my friend/sister/daughter told me her boyfriend didn't want to have sex, I would be concerned that he was a bit weird TBH and had some deep-seated sexual issues. And there'll be complications and temptations - there will be an assumption that you ARE having sex so if you go away together, you'll probably be put sharing a room.

    So all in all, the best advice is probably get married young and/or only look in the pool of like-minded Christians.

    Since when does someone's family care about if the person is having sex. When do people share this info?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭MJ23


    I think OP is stuck in the 1950's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Silverman11


    I think the biggest problem I will encounter is finding a woman to wait for me. She doesn't have to be a virgin. I don't see sexual compatibility as being a problem because I think it can be talked out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,568 ✭✭✭candy-gal1


    Ah The One, I used to call your father that, the one.........................................Ha! one bast*rd


    :D






    Have to quote Mrs Brown here, sorry folks :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    candy-gal1 wrote: »
    Have to quote Mrs Brown here, sorry folks :p

    Show gets funnier every time I watch it. A modern classic!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭anothernight


    I think the biggest problem I will encounter is finding a woman to wait for me. She doesn't have to be a virgin. I don't see sexual compatibility as being a problem because I think it can be talked out.

    As a woman, I couldn't possibly wait until marriage knowing that my pleasure in sex will depend, in part, on the physical shape of my future husband. Some things simply can't be solved by talking.

    Have you considered that you may end up being into things that your future wife might not enjoy? Without going into details, my boyfriend has some pretty "alternative" sexual interests which none of my female friends (or indeed, most women) would ever accept. If he waited until marriage he'd be doomed to being sexually frustrated and maybe cheating in the end.

    Though of course things can also work out perfectly in the end. Good luck. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Silverman11


    As a woman, I couldn't possibly wait until marriage knowing that my pleasure in sex will depend, in part, on the physical shape of my future husband. Some things simply can't be solved by talking.

    Have you considered that you may end up being into things that your future wife might not enjoy? Without going into details, my boyfriend has some pretty "alternative" sexual interests which none of my female friends (or indeed, most women) would ever accept. If he waited until marriage he'd be doomed to being sexually frustrated and maybe cheating in the end.

    Though of course things can also work out perfectly in the end. Good luck. :)
    Could he not have told you that without doing anything?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Hotfail.com


    Have you considered that you may end up being into things that your future wife might not enjoy? Without going into details, my boyfriend has some pretty "alternative" sexual interests which none of my female friends (or indeed, most women) would ever accept. If he waited until marriage he'd be doomed to being sexually frustrated and maybe cheating in the end.

    Now I'm curious.



    It's shít isn't it?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Now I'm curious.



    It's shít isn't it?

    Eewwwww. Pee, I think.... :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,925 ✭✭✭Calibos


    He likes to be 'done' by his GF?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    One can see in this thread the attitudes of different people and can tell how they were brought up.
    One person thinks their friends and family would question them if they were not having sex.
    My family would be questioning me if I was to be having sex before marriage and my friends wouldn't care.

    Not having sex before marriage is not really that big a deal for some people, if you were brought up in a devout Christian household and you can see the love of your own parents who you know who waited till marriage. You can see it was not a problem and if your partner had a problem with it, then it is their problem and maybe they weren't the right person.

    People who say the 1950s...it is the people having sex before marriage that are in the 1950s in that then people seemed to conform to social norms. Having sex before marriage is conforming to modern norms.
    Maybe people expect others to conform and it is shock horror when a person isn't just another conforming human being which the media promotes, a media that has issues with virginity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    RobertKK wrote: »
    One can see in this thread the attitudes of different people and can tell how they were brought up.
    One person thinks their friends and family would question them if they were not having sex.
    My family would be questioning me if I was to be having sex before marriage and my friends wouldn't care.

    Not having sex before marriage is not really that big a deal for some people, if you were brought up in a devout Christian household and you can see the love of your own parents who you know who waited till marriage. You can see it was not a problem and if your partner had a problem with it, then it is their problem and maybe they weren't the right person.

    People who say the 1950s...it is the people having sex before marriage that are in the 1950s in that then people seemed to conform to social norms. Having sex before marriage is conforming to modern norms.
    Maybe people expect others to conform and it is shock horror when a person isn't just another conforming human being which the media promotes, a media that has issues with virginity.

    News flash.....people have been having sex outside the confines (before/after/ inside out whatever) of marriage since time immemorial. There was a many a shot gun marriage in Ireland in the 20s and 30s in good ol' Catholic Ireland. Many of those old wedding photos will have a cleverly disguised pregnant bride in white.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    News flash.....people have been having sex outside the confines (before/after/ inside out whatever) of marriage since time immemorial. There was a many a shot gun marriage in Ireland in the 20s and 30s in good ol' Catholic Ireland. Many of those old wedding photos will have a cleverly disguised pregnant bride in white.

    Newsflash, not like now where family structures and value systems in society have changed.

    Were the Riordans implying sex before marriage in near every episode like modern day soaps do?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    @Robert: Some people feel comfortable having sex with a partner after a couple of hours, some after a few days, some after several weeks. Feeling pressured, either by your partner or wider peer group, into having sex is not a good thing, but that is not why most people have sex before marriage. It's because they're ready and willing to have sex, and because they don't subscribe to ideas about sex before marriage being immoral or somehow diminishing the value of the act.

    "Everybody who disagrees with me is brainwashed and stupid and I must tell them so immediately" is just as obnoxious an argument coming from Christians as it is from atheists, the OP seems like a nice tolerant young man and the difference between his posts and your very predictable impotent poisonous rage at secular society is striking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭anothernight


    Could he not have told you that without doing anything?

    Not really, as he wasn't fully into certain things before he met me, and only had the slightest of curiosity really.

    And no, it doesn't involve the mentioned bodily fluids. Just a few bits on the BDSM and alternative relationships side of things. I suppose being a Catholic, you probably wouldn't explore non-vanilla sex anyway, and allowing other partners would be out of question too (hopefully anyway, what with not being allowed to use contraception! :P)

    Thing is, different people have different sexual needs. If yours and your future wife's are good old straight up standard sex after marriage, that's fine. If you end up liking other things, that's fine too. It's up to you to decide whether you want to wait, and no one should judge you for it. Just be aware that the future might not match your current expectations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Saving myself?

    What does that actually mean?

    I'm saving myself from sudden death until - well, until I stop being able to do so :)

    Saving myself from talking with people? Exchanging true and intimate stories about how I feel and think? Saving my self from hugging and kissing others? From foreplay (or whatever teenagers are calling it these days)?


    When sex lead to pregnancy, there was a strong reason not to have sex (although a hell of a lot of marriages in the 50s had babies born 'prematurely'). Now that it is not so, why?


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    And no, it doesn't involve the mentioned bodily fluids. Just a few bits on the BDSM and alternative relationships side of things. I suppose being a Catholic, you probably wouldn't explore non-vanilla sex anyway, and allowing other partners would be out of question too (hopefully anyway, what with not being allowed to use contraception! :P)

    I'm asking because I genuinely don't know, but does Catholicism preclude sexual experimentation even if it's between married couples?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Silverman11


    Candie wrote: »
    I'm asking because I genuinely don't know, but does Catholicism preclude sexual experimentation even if it's between married couples?
    I feel like most things go as long as we are married.


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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I feel like most things go as long as we are married.

    I was just wondering if there religious restrictions I didn't know about of if everything was on the table (or stairs, or sofa,or bed, or roof :)) once a couple is married.

    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Pope Paul VI: "The Church, nevertheless, in urging men to the observance of the precepts of the natural law, which it interprets by its constant doctrine, teaches that each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life. This particular doctrine, often expounded by the magisterium of the Church, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act. The reason is that the fundamental nature of the marriage act, while uniting husband and wife in the closest intimacy, also renders them capable of generating new life -- and this as a result of laws written into the actual nature of man and of woman. And if each of these essential qualities, the unitive and the procreative, is preserved, the use of marriage fully retains its sense of true mutual love and its ordination to the supreme responsibility of parenthood to which man is called." (Humanae Vitae, n. 11-12).

    I'm thinking a bit of 69ing wouldn't go astray either :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Silverman11


    Candie wrote: »
    I was just wondering if there religious restrictions I didn't know about of if everything was on the table (or stairs, or sofa,or bed, or roof :)) once a couple is married.

    :)

    Tbh not that I really know of.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When sex lead to pregnancy, there was a strong reason not to have sex (although a hell of a lot of marriages in the 50s had babies born 'prematurely'). Now that it is not so, why?

    He has religious convictions that he's had to defend against all kinds of ridicule already.

    It's what he believes in and it's what he wants, that's 'why' enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    @Robert: Some people feel comfortable having sex with a partner after a couple of hours, some after a few days, some after several weeks. Feeling pressured, either by your partner or wider peer group, into having sex is not a good thing, but that is not why most people have sex before marriage. It's because they're ready and willing to have sex, and because they don't subscribe to ideas about sex before marriage being immoral or somehow diminishing the value of the act.

    "Everybody who disagrees with me is brainwashed and stupid and I must tell them so immediately" is just as obnoxious an argument coming from Christians as it is from atheists, the OP seems like a nice tolerant young man and the difference between his posts and your very predictable impotent poisonous rage at secular society is striking.

    It is no skin off my nose what you or others do sexually. You are free to do what you want.
    Not everyone wants sex before marriage.
    Others do, that is life.

    What does the media promote:
    Sex before marriage or sex after marriage.
    If you think my point is poisonous it is easy for you to make assumptions.
    It is not me who has a problem with anyone here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭auldgranny


    catallus wrote: »
    I'm misrepresenting nothing.

    The only scarecrow around here is the vapid argument about "physical" or "sexual" "compatibility" being a basis for marriage-breakdown, which is something a not very clever person might come up with.

    I have been through a marriage breakup as have 2 of my friends. There were diffrrent underlying problems, none of them physical. All the marriages failed because of lack of communication. That's what kills relationships.
    OP pay no attention to what most people here are saying. Stay true to yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭anothernight


    Candie wrote: »
    I was just wondering if there religious restrictions I didn't know about of if everything was on the table (or stairs, or sofa,or bed, or roof :)) once a couple is married.

    :)

    I honestly don't know how it goes for Catholics either, as I was brought up into Protestantism. In our particular denomination, nothing remotely "different" would have been allowed. Oral sex et al were never mentioned though so after years of going to my parents' church, I still don't know whether the pastor considered that the Bible allowed it! :o

    Seems to depend hugely on personal religious belief.

    EDIT: I was definitely taught that masturbation is a sin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭MikeSD


    I feel like most things go as long as we are married.

    After Hours isn't the place for this. I'm not religious but I read a few pages and it's clear how limited many of these people are.


  • Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wow, I think some people are being very harsh on the OP. He said he is a devout Catholic, so he's just doing what his religion tells him. I know a few Christians who got married quite young and waited to have sex. And they are very happy! Not a huge deal. And he seems like a nice fella. Although he also seems like he is trying to get justification for waiting until marriage ;)


    For the record I was brought up in a non-religious household and I think religion is a loada bollox. But whatever makes you happy!


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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    EDIT: I was definitely taught that masturbation is a sin.

    Ah yes! Wasted seed or something. :)


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