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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #2672
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    WakeUp wrote: »
    What do you mean deal with it no need to be butt hurt about things. where is your evidence for the claim you made? where is it..present it. and if you don't or can't it's quite obvious and apparent that you were spoofing/making things up/talking sh1te. So?...

    Hamas are recognised as terrorists, human rights watch have already catalogued their abuses, I won't be forced to support terrorists or pretend they are not terrorists.


  • #2673
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Hamas are recognised as terrorists, human rights watch have already catalogued their abuses, I won't be forced to support terrorists or pretend they are not terrorists.

    Terrorist, terrorist, label them, terrorist, abuse, terrorist


  • #2674
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Its true whether it washes with you or not.

    Yeah SF/IRA were real brave at killing innocent women, and kids out shopping. It was all the fault of the Brits, not SF/IRA at all. We've heard all this trash before.


  • #2675
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    Lads don't let him take it off topic. Add him to your ignore list.


  • #2676
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Hamas are recognised as terrorists, human rights watch have already catalogued their abuses, I won't be forced to support terrorists or pretend they are not terrorists.

    Stop being wishy washy. no one is forcing you to support anyone. you made an assertion and I'm calling you out on it. can you provide evidence to back up your claim. yes or no?..as if you can't it's obvious you were spoofing/making things up to suit an agenda/position. so can you back it up then?..


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  • #2677
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    Lads don't let him take it off topic. Add him to your ignore list.

    Hamas are terrorists, if you don't like the truth, press the ignore button.


  • #2678
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Stop being wishy washy. no one is forcing you to support anyone. you made an assertion and I'm calling you out on it. can you provide evidence to back up your claim. yes or no?..as if you can't it's obvious you were spoofing/making things up to suit an agenda/position. so can you back it up then?..

    I've already posted it, several times, now prove to us your claim that hamas are not terrorists


  • #2679
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    I think there is a competition to see how many times hamas and terrorist can be included in the same sentence.


  • #2680
    Gringo180
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Yeah SF/IRA were real brave at killing innocent women, and kids out shopping. It was all the fault of the Brits, not SF/IRA at all. We've heard all this trash before.

    Killing innocent civilians out shopping is disgusting and in no way a justifiable way in reaching ones goals. But you see the British engaged with (terrorist?) groups like the IRA/SF and gave concessions so there could be peace in the north. Now ask yourself why cant Israel engage with Hamas who is the democratically elected party in Gaza?


  • #2681
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    I've already posted it, several times, now prove to us your claim that hamas are not terrorists

    Show me a legally agreed upon definition of terrorist, and I will happily call anyone you like a terrorist.

    **HINT**
    There is actually no such agreed upon definition, and the term terrorist tends to refer to the other guy in a conflict.

    I will say that Hamas are in all likelihood guilty of war crimes, just like the IDF albeit in the case of the IDF, there alleged war crimes in the current conflict dwarf those of Hamas.


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  • #2682
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    I think there is a competition to see how many times hamas and terrorist can be included in the same sentence.

    IS HAMAS A TERRORIST ORGANISATION??


  • #2683
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Killing innocent civilians out shopping is disgusting and in no way a justifiable way in reaching ones goals. But you see the British engaged with (terrorist?) groups like the IRA/SF and gave concessions so there could be peace in the north. Now ask yourself why cant Israel engage with Hamas who is the democratically elected party in Gaza?

    The British never gave into terrorism, not will Israel, nor will the Palestinians. They will be no solution until people stop killing civilians and one another.


  • #2684
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭h2005


    terrorism
    ˈtɛrərɪzəm/Submit
    noun
    the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

    Hamas are an elected entity so under this definition they're not terrorists. Under a broader definition both the IDF and Hamas could be viewed as terrorist organisations.


  • #2685
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    I've already posted it, several times, now prove to us your claim that hamas are not terrorists

    See now you're wobbling. I'm not the one making assertions/spoofing/claiming anything - you are. burden of proof is on you. you haven't proved/ backed up anything .it's quite obvious you were spoofing/making things up to me and yet in another post you talk about "truth". really. last time can you back up your assertion..yes or no?..


  • #2686
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Hamas are recognised as terrorists, human rights watch have already catalogued their abuses, I won't be forced to support terrorists or pretend they are not terrorists.

    July 2014 - The same old story, Israeli atrocities against Palestinians

    The terrible murder of three Israeli youths has given the Israelis an excuse to continue their slaughter of Palestinians. They have neither produced nor cited evidence that Hamas was involved. (Now, 1st Aug., the Israelis admit they weren't killed by Hamas.) Following this, Israelis seized a Palestinian youth and killed him by burning him alive.

    Although Israel, US and a few other countries readily say Hamas is a terrorist organisation, it must be remembered that Hamas was the democratically elected government of Gaza, after Israel destabilised the government of Yasser Arafat.

    Around New Year 2009 Israel killed 400 children and 900 adults in Gaza. This was because some people in Gaza had fired simple rockets into Israel. Throughout 2008, prior to the Israeli atrocities, those rockets had not killed anyone in Israel.

    How many children and how many adult Palestinians have the Israelis killed this time?
    Up to 08:30hrs, 4th Aug. 2014
    The Israelis are killing Palestinians faster than the killings can be reported, so I have not been able to update the deaths.
    1,807 Palestinians killed
    315, Children, two thirds under 12 years, (Old data) Including these 4 children killed 16 July.
    Read this bit too, . . . carrying the remains of his dead son in a plastic bag.
    166 Women, and 35+ Elderly people killed. (Old data)
    9,000 injured, of whom 80% are civilians.
    At least 2,655+ homes in Gaza have been totally or severely damaged (Very old data)

    64 Israeli soldiers and 3 civilians killed.

    Which is the terrorist state, Israel or Gaza?

    http://www.peterloud.co.uk/palestine/


  • #2687
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Yeah SF/IRA were real brave at killing innocent women, and kids out shopping. It was all the fault of the Brits, not SF/IRA at all. We've heard all this trash before.


    Well if this is what you want to discuss there are plenty of other places you can be. You seem to be more interesting in baiting people because of your own anger issues than discussing the subject of the plight of innocent civilians. You proclaim that you are in fact not a supporter of Israeli policies but have nothing to say on the subject. You project the notion that people here are life long devoted followers of Hamas when mostly people have being drawing attention to the news sources and personal accounts of the inhumanity of the Israeli onslaught. It's hard to know what you stand for if anything.


  • #2688
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    WakeUp wrote: »
    See now you're wobbling. I'm not the one making assertions/spoofing/claiming anything - you are. burden of proof is on you. you haven't proved/ backed up anything .it's quite obvious you were spoofing/making things up to me and yet in another post you talk about "truth". really. last time can you back up your assertion..yes or no?..

    Hamas are proven terrorists, simples. If you're claiming otherwise, prove it.


  • #2689
    Awkward Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Awkward Badger


    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    IS HAMAS A TERRORIST ORGANISATION??

    http://i.imgur.com/7S1DLA7.png


  • #2690
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,690 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    As Human rights watch has already verified
    Anyone who questions Hamas in Gaza does, simples, they are terrorists.
    and the israely government and military aren't terrorists?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2691
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Hamas are proven terrorists, simples. If you're claiming otherwise, prove it.

    I'm not claiming anything you are. and you can't back it up so you're making things up/spoofing which will be obvious to everyone on the thread. so you can't back up your assertion then. fair enough I shall leave it there.


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  • #2692
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    I've heard all this before how the Brits spawned SF/IRA and their terrorism, therefore all IRA terrorism was actually the fault of the Brits. It didn't wash then, it doesn't wash now either.

    What was needed during the troubles of course, was a British Invasion of the Republic and the killing of tens of thousands of Northern and Southern Catholics, and the displacement of a million, because the IRA were terrorists. Is I think the logic here.


  • #2693
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    Well if this is what you want to discuss there are plenty of other places you can be. You seem to be more interesting in baiting people because of your own anger issues than discussing the subject of the plight of innocent civilians. You proclaim that you are in fact not a supporter of Israeli policies but have nothing to say on the subject. You project the notion that people here are life long devoted followers of Hamas when mostly people have being drawing attention to the news sources and personal accounts of the inhumanity of the Israeli onslaught. It's hard to know what you stand for if anything.

    I've condemned Israel as many times, but Hamas are also terrorists.
    I've yet to see you condemn any terrorism from Hamas.


  • #2694
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    What was needed during the troubles of course, was a British Invasion of the Republic and the killing of tens of thousands of Northern and Southern Catholics, and the displacement of a million, because the IRA were terrorists. Is I think the logic here.

    I suppose if your stuck you can try pretending.
    I'm not for supporting one terrorist over another.
    I don't care if they are Hamas/Israeli/British/Irish.


  • #2695
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Is the marching season over. No flegs to burn?

    As I'm not a SF/IRA/UDA/UFF supporter, I'm not into flags.


  • #2696
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    I've condemned Israel as many times, but Hamas are also terrorists.
    I've yet to see you condemn any terrorism from Hamas.


    Well if you read all my posts then you might get a better understanding of my position. Are you now going to reduce the broader discussion to your terms i.e. Is Hamas a terrorist group. Yes or No? I demand an answer? That sounds like a familiar tactic and doesn't suggest a genuine desire to discuss with people. I condemn wanton violence and expect governments and international bodies to do the same and given their resources I would expect them to take action to prevent violence. What about you?


  • #2697
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    Well if you read all my posts then you might get a better understanding of my position. Are you now going to reduce the broader discussion to your terms i.e. Is Hamas a terrorist group. Yes or No? I demand an answer? That sounds like a familiar tactic and doesn't suggest a genuine desire to discuss with people. I condemn violence and expect governments and international bodies to do the same and given their resources I would expect them to take action to prevent violence. What about you?

    You can decide one terrorist organisation and civilian killers are better than another, based on their less successful rate. I'm not.


  • #2698
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    The British never gave into terrorism

    Well you certainly can't give into it, when your empire was not only built upon it. But was a lethal proponent of it.
    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    not will Israel

    See my above response.
    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    nor will the Palestinians.

    That part is very true. The Palestinian people will not bow down or be beaten in the face of an aggressive, hate fueled IDF.
    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    They will be no solution until people stop killing civilians and one another.

    Yes and since more or less all the innocent civilians that have died, have been killed by the noble defensive actions of the IDF. So perhaps it is safe to speculate, that there will be no peace until the IDF stops its cycles of butchery on the civilians of Gaza.


  • #2699
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Well you certainly can't give into it, when your empire was not only built upon it. But was a lethal proponent of it.

    I'm not into flags or nationalism, British or Irish.
    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    That part is very true. The Palestinian people will not bow down or be beaten in the face of an aggressive, hate fueled IDF.

    Neither will Israeli civilians
    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Yes and since more or less all the innocent civilians that have died, have been killed by the noble defensive actions of the IDF. So perhaps it is safe to speculate, that there will be no peace until the IDF stops its cycles of butchery on the civilians of Gaza.

    That's correct, and equally until Hamas stops killing civilians and aiming to wipe them from the face of the map.


  • #2700
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    You can decide one terrorist organisation and civilian killers are better than another, based on their less successful rate. I'm not.

    So you are just interested in attributing your simplistic notions and unfounded accusations onto others on the basis of your own prejudice. I provided you an opportunity to discuss your insights into how this violence might be resolved by the international bodies and governments with the clout and authority to do so but you just returned to the worn out cliches of yesteryear sporting your tattered badge of peace.


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  • #2701
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    That's correct, and equally until Hamas stops killing civilians and aiming to wipe them from the face of the map.

    Funnily enough, the biggest surprise my friends encountered when they worked out in Gaza was. How popular Hamas actually was. Out there it is a misnomer to call them Hamas. Apparently, most people simply called them The Resistance.


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