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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #2582
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Aurelia Melted Surfer wrote: »
    I thought we were in a discussion and not an argument. Tbh I'm not interested in arguments online, my time is more valuable than that.

    At least we know now that a rifle trigger is squeezed and not pulled.

    Regarding todays ceasefire, I think it was to open up humanitarian corridors to get food and aid to the innocents.. I've said it before, if the Israeli government really cared about Gazan civilians they'd open their damned borders and give the innocents refuge in Israel and out of harms way of the fighting ~ then let 'em kill every idiot with a beard and an AK-47 if thats what they really want.

    I dread to think what limits in civilian casualties/deaths Israeli government thinks is acceptable before they bring a halt to this murderous onslaught but we're approaching 2000 deaths in three weeks without sign of a slowdown.

    'Whatever war can do, peace can do better' ~ such a simple lesson, seldom learned.

    Egypt don't seem too keen to open any of their borders either. I feel so sorry for the ordinary people of Gaza, trapped by militant Islamic gangster terrorists on one side and murdering Zionists on the other.


  • #2583
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Aurelia Melted Surfer wrote: »
    Regarding todays ceasefire,.
    What ceasefire, the one the Israelis ended after 6 minutes by murdering a child in a refugee camp?:confused:


  • #2584
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    OK well clearly most people are mostly concerned with bickering over trivia with each other and have no real interest in educating themselves on the situation. A sad indictment on supposedly educated people.


  • #2585
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    So I log in and see these pathetic nonsense....
    Hitchens wrote: »
    That's the spirit old chap. Are you typing the post from Gaza, along with Nodin, Solo, Corvus et al, those brave keyboard warriors of the Boards.ie Regiment of Foot?

    Childish name calling is common from those who have no reason, no logic and whose argument is beret of morality or humanity. But you'll be disappointed to learn Hitchens, that I actually left my keyboard and took to the streets in support of the civilians of Gaza. And I encourage everyone to do so, because solidarity with common humanity transcends all party political nonsense.


  • #2586
    El Guapo!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,447 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I've no problem dealing with the one topic today reg posters, but there's mods using stuff clearly in breach of charter ("Mr Moderator" that's back seat modding, "knickers in a twist" that's trolling) which we'd be done for and they will never be.
    Once we're in a two tier system the mods have effectively ended the discussion.

    Dan, I hate to break it to you but you're wrong. Those examples you gave are neither backseat modding or trolling. Maybe you should get a better handle of the forum and the charter before you start accusing other posters of breaking the rules, because you clearly don't understand them.
    Now if you have a problem with moderation then you're welcome to pm me, but if you continue to derail this thread, you will be thread-banned.


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  • #2587
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    OK well clearly most people are mostly concerned with bickering over trivia with each other and have no real interest in educating themselves on the situation. A sad indictment on supposedly educated people.

    It wasnt trivial. Some of us respect snipers and tankers others don't.


  • #2588
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    What ceasefire, the one the Israelis ended after 6 minutes by murdering a child in a refugee camp?:confused:

    We'd have to see the terms of the ceasefire, like I said it may have been to open up a humanitarian corridor (although 'humanitarian' sticks in the throat).

    As regards the child, sadly another death which will go unpunished.


  • #2589
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Another day... another Israeli war crime.

    More bare faced lies from the Israeli spin goons.

    Yet all we hear from western politicians are weasel words and hand wringing, as if the massacres of the IDF were an uncontrollable force of nature.

    Where are the economic sanctions against Israel ?


  • #2590
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    Noblong wrote: »
    It wasnt trivial. Some of us respect snipers and tankers others don't.

    The insights of military personnel is interesting but bickering over the usage of words like 'squeeze' and 'seize' that has occupied the minds of many over the last day or so is definitely trivializing the topic which this thread presumably was meant to be covering.


  • #2591
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Aurelia Melted Surfer wrote: »
    We'd have to see the terms of the ceasefire, like I said it may have been to open up a humanitarian corridor (although 'humanitarian' sticks in the throat).

    As regards the child, sadly another death which will go unpunished.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/israel-declares-seven-hour-truce-in-gaza-to-facilitate-aid-1.1887060
    Israel said it would unilaterally hold fire in most of the Gaza Strip on Monday to facilitate the entry of humanitarian aid and allow some of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians displaced by an almost four-week-old war to go home.
    The announcement, made first to Palestinian media, met with suspicion from Gaza’s dominant Hamas Islamists and followed unusually strong censure from Washington at the apparent Israeli shelling on Sunday of a UN-run shelter that killed 10 people.
    An Israeli defence official said the ceasefire, from 10am to 5pm (0700 to 1400 GMT), would apply everywhere but areas of the southern town of Rafah where ground forces have intensified assaults after three soldiers died in a Hamas ambush there on Friday.


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  • #2592
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Interesting though that all those determined to use strictly military terminology for firearms and firearm usage appear to be on one side of this argument.
    That'd be the baby murderer side.


  • #2593
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Dr. Mads Gilbert - that brave Norwegian professor of Emergency Medicine, who worked in Gaza. Spoke on Al Jazeera earlier about an hour ago and gave an update on the total casualty figures for children in Gaza

    Total children killed or wounded 3206.
    With 401 Palestinian children having been killed.
    With 2805 Palestinian children having been wounded.

    He then asked why do we see swift sanction by the international community elsewhere, yet Israel is allowed to act with such impunity and in contravention of international law?


  • #2594
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    Anybody wondering why www.btselem.org seems to be off line may want to read this

    http://tinyurl.com/q3w3ptc

    "The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem has concluded that footage capturing the moment two Palestinian teenagers were shot dead by Israeli soldiers despite posing no risk to them is "genuine and consistent", contradicting Israeli army claims that the footage is likely to have been forged."

    "The full CCTV footage – amounting to hours of tape – was reviewed and logged by researchers for B'Tselem, which has provided copies to Israeli military police and planned to release more of the footage."

    "Commenting on efforts to cast doubt on accounts of the affair in +972 online magazine, Dahlia Scheindlin, a public opinion analyst in Tel Aviv, attempted to explain recent comments: "Public figures are well aware that the postmodern mindset makes it hard to pin down facts.Throwing out theories, no matter how wild, raises doubts even if far-fetched. Using words inaccurately, or not admitting to one's actions is another form. Accusing the other side of full-out conspiracy and elaborate fabrications is another."

    Posted about the site last night. Only offline if you're outside of Israel. Attachment of the site now with VPN on.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057259124&page=168


  • #2595
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    The insights of military personnel is interesting but bickering over the usage of words like 'squeeze' and 'seize' that has occupied the minds of many over the last day or so is definitely trivializing the topic which this thread presumably was meant to be covering.
    And you think that wasn't the objective? It's right up there with whataboutery and dictionary reworking on the Zionist apologist handbook.


  • #2596
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Dr. Mads Gilbert - that brave Norwegian professor of Emergency Medicine, who worked in Gaza. Spoke on Al Jazeera earlier about an hour ago and gave an update on the total casualty figures for children in Gaza

    Total children killed or wounded 3206.
    With 401 Palestinian children having been killed.
    With 2805 Palestinian children having been wounded.

    He then asked why do we see swift sanction by the international community elsewhere, yet Israel is allowed to act with such impunity and in contravention of international law?

    Thanks, do they have any electricity? Medical supplies?


  • #2597
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Egypt don't seem too keen to open any of their borders either. I feel so sorry for the ordinary people of Gaza, trapped by militant Islamic gangster terrorists on one side and murdering Zionists on the other.

    None of their "Arab brothers" seem to be willing to help them. What is about the Palestinians that is causing that?


  • #2598
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    user2011 wrote: »
    Posted about the site last night. Only offline if you're outside of Israel. Attachment of the site now with VPN on.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057259124&page=168


    Is their commonly available software that allows me to obtain access to that VPN?


  • #2599
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    You must be under the delusion the military are the only people who use firearms, can your assumptions and prejudices get anything right ? You boasted you knew about guns and then proved you didn't. You got caught out bluffing again, get over it.
    I got caught out using perfectly correct civilian terminology to describe military firearms? Wow. I guess you've "got your knickers in a twist" over that.
    BTW, a rifle is a type of gun. Your pedantry wasn't even logical but that's nothing new from you is it?


  • #2600
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    None of their "Arab brothers" seem to be willing to help them. What is about the Palestinians that is causing that?

    Why don't you sign up for a geo-political course if you're so interested in learning about the subject? Otherwise why not offer your own opinion rather this typically lazy approach to expect others to justify themselves to those who have nothing to contribute.


  • #2601
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    None of their "Arab brothers" seem to be willing to help them. What is about the Palestinians that is causing that?
    US bribes and threats? The fact that "Arab brothers" is pretty much some racist bull**** made up to pretend they're all identikit terrorists?


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  • #2602
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    None of their "Arab brothers" seem to be willing to help them. What is about the Palestinians that is causing that?

    Because then they will be denounced by Israel as "aiding and abetting terrorism" and will be next on the chopping block of the US/Israel. It's like if you lived next door to a family of gangsters and they were beating their kids. Do you step in to help, safe in the knowledge that they will then turn on you and do you in, or do you do nothing and try and keep what you have?


  • #2603
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    Thanks, do they have any electricity? Medical supplies?

    In the interview, Dr. Gilbert mentioned they haven't enough electricity and they will run out soon, due to a lack of fuel & generators. He also said the hospitals of Gaza haven't enough medical supplies because of the ongoing blockade. All the hospitals of Gaza are overflowing, with patients being treated outside. The Shifa hospital has 40 ICU (Intensive Care) patients that need to be transferred, but can't due to the bomb damaged to roads ect. Sorry I don't have a link yet, but Al Jazerra might replay the interview with Dr. Gilbert later, or it may eventually be quoted elsewhere online later today.


  • #2604
    Glock Lesnar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 310 ✭✭Glock Lesnar


    Are there figures available that show the child death ratio of the American shelling in Iraq?

    I'm not whatabouting,(not that I think there's anything wrong with comparisons) I just think it would paint a clearer picture about the Israeli actions and maybe even the human shield claims


  • #2605
    Awkward Badger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Awkward Badger


    Other nations seem to becoming more vocal now about what's going on. The French foreign minister is calling for an international solution to be imposed on Palestine and Israel and that Israel's killing of Palestinian civilians isn't justified.

    The Turkish prime minister accused Israel of deliberately killing civilians, although that was in a rally while angling for re-election.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-french-minister-says-solution-must-be-imposed-as-turkeys-pm-accuses-israel-of-deliberately-killing-mothers-and-children-9646491.html


  • #2606
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I got caught out using perfectly correct civilian terminology to describe military firearms? Wow. I guess you've "got your knickers in a twist" over that.
    BTW, a rifle is a type of gun. Your pedantry wasn't even logical but that's nothing new from you is it?

    When your in a hole, keep digging. No one gives a shyte about guns except you.
    What actually happened was you boasted you knew all about guns and were caught bluffing, you'll have to get over that yourself.


  • #2607
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I got caught out using perfectly correct civilian terminology to describe military firearms? Wow. I guess you've "got your knickers in a twist" over that.
    BTW, a rifle is a type of gun. Your pedantry wasn't even logical but that's nothing new from you is it?

    You should work for Israeli media or Hamas PR
    When your in a hole, keep digging. Guns isn't the subject or point.
    You were caught spoofing again.
    What actually happened was you boasted you knew all about guns and were caught bluffing, you'll have to get over that yourself.


  • #2608
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    None of their "Arab brothers" seem to be willing to help them. What is about the Palestinians that is causing that?

    Unfortunately the Palestinians never really endeared themselves with their neighbours.. The PLO terrorized Lebanon, in fact the Lebanese welcomed the IDF into their country during Operation Litani and Operation Peace for Galilee.. The Jordanians had their own bother with them too, and slaughtered many (Black September 1970) during the civil war when the PLO attempted their own land grab.

    The rest can be put down to politics, corruption and 'my enemies enemy is my friend'.. A small part is the Palestinians are a festering wound which Arabs don't really want to let heal, it suits them to have Israel tied up with a Palestinian problem.

    In Lebanon today Palestinians are brutally oppressed.


  • #2609
    shewasdiesel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭shewasdiesel


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    None of their "Arab brothers" seem to be willing to help them. What is about the Palestinians that is causing that?

    Its not about the ordinary Palestinian people, but about the terrorists on both sides that are trying to use them for their own ends.
    Egypt is not for opening their borders to help either. I feel sorry for the ordinary people in Gaza, trapped in a war and being used as pawns between Hamas/Zionist ethnic cleansing extremists and their supporters.


  • #2610
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Dr. Mads Gilbert - that brave Norwegian professor of Emergency Medicine, who worked in Gaza. Spoke on Al Jazeera earlier about an hour ago and gave an update on the total casualty figures for children in Gaza

    Total children killed or wounded 3206.
    With 401 Palestinian children having been killed.
    With 2805 Palestinian children having been wounded.

    He then asked why do we see swift sanction by the international community elsewhere, yet Israel is allowed to act with such impunity and in contravention of international law?

    The good doctor asks a VERY relevant question...

    I the absence of action by our supine politicians... it is up to individuals and communities to take action... as Captain Boycott in 1880s Mayo found out to his cost.

    Perhaps follow Kinvara's lead :- http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-villages-traders-unite-to-boycott-israeli-products-30476438.html


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  • #2611
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    You should work for Israeli media or Hamas PR
    When your in a hole, keep digging. Guns isn't the subject or point.
    You were caught spoofing again.
    What actually happened was you boasted you knew all about guns and were caught bluffing, you'll have to get over that yourself.
    Keep posting it until it makes sense eh?
    I didn't boast anything. I said I know how a gun works (a rifle is a type of gun. Maybe you weren't in that day?). So all the army types who tried (and failed) to correct me must be boasters too yes?
    Again, untwist your knickers, you've already lost this one.


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