Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

Tuisceanch · 03-08-2014 11:17PM

RustyNut wrote: »

Which god?

Groundhog Day.

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 11:21PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I didn't actually, not that I'm really the take offense type.
It was a bit bonkers though, which was more what I was expecting.

Probably because it was not offensive, I wanted to give you a second chance as I do see you posting elsewhere on boards.
What was bonkers is the post by that person who said there was a K missing in my name, which was more than what I was expecting and which was offensive.
Thanking is an endorsement of it.

Anyway this is off topic and the conflict in the middle east shouldn't be causing people to be personal on these forums.

I don't want to drag this out, just noticed you had brought the PM up and some thought I had sent you an offensive message, which it was not.

I will not take this thread off topic any further. I wish you well, I want to catch up elsewhere on boards.

Tuisceanch · 03-08-2014 11:22PM

God is Love and Compassion or else not worth bothering with.

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 11:24PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Like I said, I wouldn't have to guess if you'd make an actual relevant point.

Whenever you start practicing anything your preaching, let us know.

RustyNut · 03-08-2014 11:24PM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

God is Love and Compassion or else not worth bothering with.

NotASheeple · 03-08-2014 11:46PM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

Gringo180 wrote: »

There going too far this time

This time

Yes this time and did you miss the memo? Others may have sown the seeds, but The State of Israel has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with Zionism and its mantra of hate. It was established and set up by Zionist terrorists. Since then it has pursued its Zionist policies of ethnic cleansing and territorial expansion. Hamas would not exist, only for Zionist terror and oppression through the decades. So you see, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF because the actions of the IDF created Hamas. Eliminate Zionist military aggression and the al Assam brigades will become irrelevant and redundant. So this "Oh they're both the same." is nonsense. I want to see a world free of the al Qassam Brigades, but in order for that to happen, the world needs to stand up and end Zionist aggression.

user2011 · 03-08-2014 11:49PM

riclad · 03-08-2014 11:53PM

WE had on our conflict up the north,
the irish and british government got both sides to agree to end the cycle of violence .
IT was sorted out thru peace talks over years ,
rockets or bombs from both sides are making the situation worse.

There was wrong on both sides ,religious and political extremists .
Whose going to make the israeli,s and hamas agree to a peaceful solution.

America where every politican is afraid to criticise israel because of the jewish vote.
I doubt it.
Theres a good article in the gaurdian uk,
by an ex idf soldier .
She said when she was in the idf ,
there was limits re attacking civilian targets ,
or bombing homes with children living in them.
NOW there seems to be no rules .
How can any country or military commander justify bombing UN schools full of children.
WE had 1 bloody sunday up the north ,
whats happening in palestine is like 100 bloody sundays in a row.
Just Because israel is a jewish country does not mean it can ignore basic
human rights.
ITS against international law to attack schools and basic infrastructure ,
ie they blew up the power station .
I believe whats happening now could be classified as a war crime .

Imagine if the british army had blown up a few schools full of children ,
in belfast because there was a few ira members in the area .
There would be an international outcry .
I don,t support hamas or anyone firing rockets into israel ,
but that does not justify the current israeli bombings of civilian homes ,
and schools.

NotASheeple · 03-08-2014 11:57PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I'm amazed at the number of same day accounts that pop up here and post solely in this thread before disappearing. It's pretty clear they are shills. The word play they use to derail the thread and justify murder is pathetic and sickening.

One new arrival has nearly double my post count in just 8 hours and I've been here 5 months.

I Heart Internet · 04-08-2014 12:13AM

NotASheeple wrote: »

One new arrival has nearly double my post count in just 8 hours and I've been here 5 months.

Must be an Israeli spy. :rolleyes:

user2011 · 04-08-2014 12:17AM

7 hour ceasefire unilaterally called by Israel.

http://news.sky.com/story/1312493/israel-to-hold-fire-during-7-hour-gaza-truce

http://time.com/3076594/israel-gaza-cease-fire-hamas-netanyahu/

eeepaulo · 04-08-2014 12:25AM

user2011 wrote: »

7 hour ceasefire unilaterally called by Israel.

http://news.sky.com/story/1312493/israel-to-hold-fire-during-7-hour-gaza-truce

http://time.com/3076594/israel-gaza-cease-fire-hamas-netanyahu/

Good to hear.

Sky called it a truce, would that be a unilateral truce?

Tail Docker · 04-08-2014 12:27AM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

Yes, but you'd rather make up guesses.

Glad ye took my advice on the usernames bit. Does that make me a collaborator though?

NotASheeple · 04-08-2014 12:34AM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Must be an Israeli spy. :rolleyes:

That's some imagination you have there. I reckon a career in storytelling would be right up your street.

user2011 · 04-08-2014 12:43AM

http://www.btselem.org/ is off limits to people from outside Israel not of their own doing.

Just come across this post on r/worldnews

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2cgl6e/btselem_is_an_israeli_ngo_whose_primary_goal_is/

B'Tselem בצלם @btselem · 14h
Our servers are being attacked again. No internet for now. This time they had the courtesy to give us an anonymous heads up

https://twitter.com/btselem

i tried to click into that site the other day but it wouldn't load, alas I switch on my VPN now from Israel and like magic I can get on it.

user2011 · 04-08-2014 12:45AM

eeepaulo wrote: »

Good to hear.

Sky called it a truce, would that be a unilateral truce?

Can't be a truce if they ain't talking to the other side they are fighting.

eeepaulo · 04-08-2014 12:46AM

user2011 wrote: »

Can't be a truce if they ain't talking to the other side they are fighting.

Yes i was attempting to flag that

user2011 · 04-08-2014 12:53AM

eeepaulo wrote: »

Yes i was attempting to flag that

I lost the BBC one on it so wanted to throw up two Sky were the next one I seen (I didn't read it)

but I knew there would be balance to posting both.

eeepaulo · 04-08-2014 12:55AM

user2011 wrote: »

I lost the BBC one on it so wanted to throw up two Sky were the next one I seen (I didn't read it) but I knew there would be balance to posting both.

I was not attacking your post, i agree it was a unilateral cease fire, it is just the way sky suggested it was a truce,

ireland.man · 04-08-2014 12:58AM

Wasn't it during a temporary truce that Israel bombed a market filled with survivors trying to get much needed supplies?

Dan_Solo · 04-08-2014 01:12AM

ireland.man wrote: »

Wasn't it during a temporary truce that Israel bombed a market filled with survivors trying to get much needed supplies?

Maybe it's like the last ceasefire, where the IDF can apparently occupy enemy territory and continue blowing up their positions but Hamas aren't allowed do anything?

Tail Docker · 04-08-2014 01:45AM

NotASheeple wrote: »

Yes this time and did you miss the memo? Others may have sown the seeds, but The State of Israel has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with Zionism and its mantra of hate. It was established and set up by Zionist terrorists. Since then it has pursued its Zionist policies of ethnic cleansing and territorial expansion. Hamas would not exist, only for Zionist terror and oppression through the decades. So you see, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF because the actions of the IDF created Hamas. Eliminate Zionist military aggression and the al Assam brigades will become irrelevant and redundant. So this "Oh they're both the same." is nonsense. I want to see a world free of the al Qassam Brigades, but in order for that to happen, the world needs to stand up and end Zionist aggression.

"In the early hours of April 19, 132 Jewish terrorists from the Irgun gang, led by future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, and the Stern gang, led by future Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, brutally massacre 200 men, women and children as they are sleeping peacefully in the Arab village of Deir Yassin.

Following the United Nations transfer of Palestine to an independent Jewish state and an independent Arab state on May 15, the Israelis launched a military assault on the Arabs with blaring loudspeakers on their trucks informing the Arabs that if they did not flee immediately, they would be slaughtered.

800,000 Arabs with the recent memory of the Deir Yassin massacre at the forefront of their minds, fled in panic. They asked for help from nighbouring Arab states, but those states did not get involved as they were no match for the Israelis whose up to date military hardware had been supplied by the Jewish Stalinist regime in Russia. Following this assault, the Jews now controlled 78% of the former Palestine as oppose to the 57% that had been given to them illegally by the United Nations.

The Palestinians, many of them Christians, were never paid compensation for their homes, property and businesses stolen from them during this illegal Jewish assault, and these people ended up in slum refugee cities of tents. Futhermore at least half of the Palestinians in their hurry to flee, left their birth certificates behind. The State of Israel then passed a law that only those who could prove citizenship were allowed to return to Israel, thus meaning these 400,000 Palestinians could not return and lost all their property they had left there."

So, Terrorism, eh. History repeats, and repeats again...

user2011 · 04-08-2014 01:49AM

WOW!!!

My name is Jon Voight and I am more than angry, I am heartsick that people like Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem could incite anti-Semitism all over the world and are oblivious to the damage they have caused.
They are obviously ignorant of the whole story of Israel&rsquos birth, when in 1948 the Jewish people were offered by the UN a portion of the land originally set aside for them in 1921, and the Arab Palestinians were offered the other half. The Arabs rejected the offer, and the Jews accepted, only to be attacked by five surrounding Arab countries committed to driving them into the sea. But the Israeli&rsquos won. The Arabs tried it again in 1967, and again in 1973, launching a sneak attack on the holiest Jewish holiday. Each time the Jews prevailed but not without great loss of life. And when Israel was not fighting a major war, it was defending itself against terrorist campaigns.
And yet Israel has always labored for a peaceful relation with its Arab neighbors. It voluntarily returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in return for peace, and gave the Palestinians all of Gaza as a peace gesture. What was the response? The Palestinians elected Hamas, a terrorist organization, and they immediately began firing thousands of rockets into Israel.
After years of trying to make peace, the wars they had to fight, being attacked by their enemies, and still being attacked, and finally after years of running into bomb shelters and having hundreds of civilians killed by suicide bombers, civilians being killed in their sleep, stabbed to pieces, finding enough is enough and finally retaliating, instead of my peers sticking up for the only democratic country in that region, they go and take out poison letters against them.
You have forgotten how this war started. Did Hamas not kidnap and kill three young teenagers for the sake of killing, and celebrated after the killing? What a travesty of justice.
I am asking all my peers who signed that poison letter against Israel to examine their motives. Can you take back the fire of anti-Semitism that is raging all over the world now?
You have been able to become famous and have all your monetary gains because you are in a democratic country: America. Do you think you would have been able to accomplish this in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, et cetera? You had a great responsibility to use your celebrity for good. Instead, you have defamed the only democratic country of goodwill in the Middle East: Israel.
You should hang your heads in shame. You should all come forth with deep regrets for what you did, and ask forgiveness from the suffering people in Israel.

What an Idiot. :mad:

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/jon-voight-pens-letter-ignorant-javier-bardem-penelope-160106318.html

Tail Docker · 04-08-2014 01:59AM

user2011 wrote: »

WOW!!!

What an Idiot. :mad:

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/jon-voight-pens-letter-ignorant-javier-bardem-penelope-160106318.html

That's Jon for you. He never was much of a judge...
"On April 27, 2007, Voight spoke about criticism of George W. Bush in an interview with Bill O'Reilly on The O'Reilly Factor: "And they—what I hear, you know, talking about our president. When I hear people saying quite unthinkable things about our president, when I see our president defaced, which is defacing our country. He's the leader of our country. He's the leader of the free world. It—my heart is very heavy."

Son Of A Vidic · 04-08-2014 02:14AM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Maybe it's like the last ceasefire, where the IDF can apparently occupy enemy territory and continue blowing up their positions but Hamas aren't allowed do anything?

No doubt the IDF plan to conduct search and destroy operations deep inside the Rafah area of Gaza. Like they did the other day and if they encounter the enemy, well then of course it will be the enemy's fault. And if that doesn't happen, then in keeping with recent patterns. They'll probably wait until civilians have returned to a particular pretargeted area. Then end the ceasefire by blowing them to pieces in a massive bombardment.

h2005 · 04-08-2014 02:22AM

Being cynical I think the only reason they declared this unilateral ceasefire is an effort to paint themselves as the good guys.

darkpagandeath · 04-08-2014 02:24AM

h2005 wrote: »

Being cynical I think the only reason they declared this unilateral ceasefire is an effort to paint themselves as the good guys.

Would seem that way, Maybe a last ditch effort to seem reasonable, And wait for Hamas to mess up. And then go in all guns blazing saying "we told you so"

Son Of A Vidic · 04-08-2014 02:43AM

Voight like many ignoramuses before him, need to learn the difference between the devout practitioners of Judaism. Whose loyalty is to their faith and their God, not Israel or any State. And this contrasts sharply with the fanatical followers of Zionism. Zionists who worship the state of Israel and not the religion of Judaism. These videos were made before the current attack into Gaza, it gives a brief insight into how the devout practitioners of Judaism view Zionism.

Clearly explained why Orthodox Jews refuse to serve in IDF

NYC: Jews Against Israel (U.S. Media Blackout)

The worrying thing is, as people around the world get increasingly angry with the daily atrocities in Gaza. Some fools will lash out and they might lash out at the obvious target. And that target could be these devout people of the Jewish faith, because they are an obvious target to the uneducated. What a sad irony that would be, to punish those who hate Zionism more than any of us.

dav3 · 04-08-2014 09:03AM

user2011 wrote: »

WOW!!!

What an Idiot. :mad:

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/jon-voight-pens-letter-ignorant-javier-bardem-penelope-160106318.html

That was an interesting rant by Jon, if it really was written by him that is.

To be fair and balanced, let's look at the "anti-semitic" and "ignorant" views that have fox news and certain hollywood actors foaming at the mouth.

Make up your own mind. Here is the translated version originally published by eldiario.es

http://www.eldiario.es/zonacritica/Genocide_6_286681336.html

In the horror happening right now in Gaza there is NO place for distance or neutrality. It's a war of occupation and extermination waged against a people with no means, confined in a minimum territory, with no water, and where hospitals , ambulances, and children are targets and presumed to be terrorists. It's hard to understand and impossible to justify. And it's disgraceful that western countries are permitting such genocide. I can't understand this barbarism, even more cruel and incomprehensible considering all of the horrible things the Jewish people have gone through in the past. Only geopolitical alliances, that hypocritical mask of business -for example, the sale of weapons– explains the shameful position taken by the U.S., the E.U. and Spain.

I know that as usual certain people will discredit my right to express my opinion with personal attacks, which is why I would like to clarify the following points:

Yes, my son was born in a Jewish hospital because I have very dear close friends who are Jewish and because being Jewish does not automatically mean you support this massacre, just like being Hebrew does not mean you are a Zionist, just like being Palestinian does not automatically make you a Hamas terrorist. That's just as absurd as saying that being German makes you Nazi.

Yes, I also work in the U.S. where I have a lot of Jewish friends and acquaintances who reject such interventions and the politics of aggression. "You can't call it self-defense while you're murdering children," one of them said on the phone to me yesterday. And others with whom I openly debate our conflicting positions.

Yes, I'm European and I'm ashamed of the European Community that claims to represent me with its silence and its utter shamelessness.

Yes, I live in Spain and I pay my taxes and I don't want my money to finance policies that support this barbarism and the arms industry along with other countries that get rich murdering innocent children.

Yes, I'm outraged, ashamed and hurt by all of this injustice and human beings getting killed. Those children are our children. It's horrendous. I can only hope that those who kill will find it in their hearts to show compassion and be cured of this murderous poison which only breeds more hate and violence. That those Israelis and Palestinians who only dream of peace and coexistence can some day find a solution together.

Hitchens · 04-08-2014 09:11AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Agreed. Its nothing new. But that does not mean we should accept the deliberate genocide of a race of people who had the misfortune to have been born on, and farmed land a group of religious fanatics want.

Look at it another way. When nazi germany was hell bent on exterminating people of jewish descent, that was nothing new in those times either. Doesnt make it right. And I really dont want to be one of those people who said (then) we never knew. Or looked the other way.

That's the spirit old chap. Are you typing the post from Gaza, along with Nodin, Solo, Corvus et al, those brave keyboard warriors of the Boards.ie Regiment of Foot?

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