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Popes New Commandments for today's life

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  • #62
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Hotfail.com wrote: »
    Now there's a man I was hoping I'd never see again.

    Why the hate towards poor ould Hitch ?


  • #63
    Czarcasm
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    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Interestingly the Church of England for example has implemented every single popular demand ever asked of it, and yet it's membership numbers are falling though the floor.


    Just goes to show -


    You can only please some of the people all of the time, or you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can never realistically achieve both.


  • #64
    _Redzer_
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    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    Basically he's saying that the church is now cool and modern.

    The church has NOT changed it's stance on the following matters one bit:

    -anti women
    -anti gay
    -anti divorce
    - anti contraception (including as a preventative measure in fighting the spread of AIDS)
    - anti abortion in ALL circumstances


    Come back Francis when you have something concrete to say you chancer

    It's all PR.

    It's a business who's earnings are falling rapidly with their influence shrinking more and more every year.

    Nothing's changed. They got rid of the old, and let's face it, evil looking weirdo, and brought in a more likeable, flowery version.

    The message is still the same, he's just dressing it up to look nicer that what it actually is.


  • #65
    mickydoomsux
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    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    I'll never understand why you need a leader to tell you what to think and how to behave.

    You've your own brain for a reason, to decide and think about things for yourself.

    That concept is terrifying for a lot of people.

    They need Invisible Cosmic Dad to tell them what to do and mete out punishment if they don't do it.


  • #66
    _Redzer_
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    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    That concept is terrifying for a lot of people.

    They need Invisible Cosmic Dad to tell them what to do and mete out punishment if they don't do it.

    I should become a god. Those people are ripe for exploitation.

    And so a new religion was born that day...

    Funny, that's how all organised religions started and have become. A way to control the masses for their own benefit.

    If you think about it, why go worship your god in a church like a cult -and pay to do it?

    Surely it's closer and more intimate to do it in your own time?

    Just don't get it at all. It makes no sense.


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  • #67
    PopePalpatine
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    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Interestingly the Church of England for example has implemented every single popular demand ever asked of it, and yet it's membership numbers are falling though the floor.

    Religious belief is falling as a whole in England. As of the 2011 census, less than 60% of English people said they were Christian, with nearly 25% stating they had no religion.


  • #68
    shewasdiesel
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    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    I'll never understand why you need a leader to tell you what to think and how to behave.

    You've your own brain for a reason, to decide and think about things for yourself.

    Side note:

    Nananananananana leader!

    Tell that to enda and michael fans. It's hard to beat being self employed.


  • #69
    eyescreamcone
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Religious belief is falling as a whole in England. As of the 2011 census, less than 60% of English people said they were Christian, with nearly 25% stating they had no religion.

    Obviously they don't let their Mammy fill in the census form for them 


  • #70
    shewasdiesel
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Religious belief is falling as a whole in England. As of the 2011 census, less than 60% of English people said they were Christian, with nearly 25% stating they had no religion.

    aka, a complete failure for the CoE despite going with the popular policies


  • #71
    feargale
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    5 “Live and let live.” Everyone should be guided by this principle, he said, which has a similar expression in Rome with the saying, “Move forward and let others do the same.”

    Didn't somebody put this another way? " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."


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  • #72
    c_man
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    So hang on, The burning bush sorry God. He got them wrong the first time around ?

    Nothing wrong with a burning bush. Redheads ftw :cool:


  • #73
    EoghanIRL
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    feargale wrote: »
    Didn't somebody put this another way? " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

    Gareth Brooks ?


  • #74
    joe swanson
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    IM not religious but he seems to have his head screwed on and his list seems fair. Some people will attack anything if the word catholic is attached to jt.


  • #75
    darkpagandeath
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    joe swanson wrote: »
    IM not religious but he seems to have his head screwed on and his list seems fair. Some people will attack anything if the word catholic is attached to jt.

    Nope I would say the same about any out-dated religion trying to tack on small things and not modernising the whole lot.


  • #76
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    A wonderful humble man, just what we needed in the post. He has the balls stand up to the Curia and not just be a puppet. This guy is the real thing not a phony or fringe player, he lives his life the Jesuit way.


  • #77
    WilyCoyote
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    If the rc church followed this then they'd be burst in 2 generations and gone in 3. They need to capture more feeble-minded people to keep the coffers going.
    These quotes resemble something that a budding Miss Universe/3rd grader would bleat to an interviewer.
    For edicting such a generalised look on life the great gaucho deserves a well aimed kick in the Pampas


  • #78
    Jimoslimos
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    So hang on, The burning bush sorry God. He got them wrong the first time around ?
    Well nobody actually knows/can fully agree on what the actual "Ten Commandments" are and if there are actually 10. There's a reference to 10 in the Bible but it doesn't specify what these are. Depends on how you interpret the text.

    Anyway the 10 Commandments always featured more in Protestant teachings given their adherence to the Bible. Seems obvious that the Pope, as leader of the Catholic faith, would attempt to put his own stamp on it.

    I've no love for the CC but this seems like a (mostly) benign moral code with a nod or two towards the earlier version (Sundays should be holidays).


  • #79
    _Redzer_
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    A wonderful humble man, just what we needed in the post. He has the balls stand up to the Curia and not just be a puppet. This guy is the real thing not a phony or fringe player, he lives his life the Jesuit way.

    Then have him change some stuff. Words are ridiculously cheap and easy.

    I want actions. None of this anti-gay/women/contraception shíte that's been going on too long, as already stating here.

    Once he changes the church's attitude to these issues, then I will give him genuine fair play.

    Until then, nothing but hot air spoken nicely.


  • #80
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Then have him change some stuff. Words are ridiculously cheap and easy.

    I want actions. None of this anti-gay/women/contraception shíte that's been going on too long, as already stating here.

    Once he changes the church's attitude to these issues, then I will give him genuine fair play.

    Until then, nothing but hot air spoken nicely.

    I would be all for a new Vatican Council to implement change which is needed. For eg the younger movement are open to women becoming ordained members.

    On social issues it's hard to know, they do follow a book that tells them these things are wrong. There's not much room to maneuvre if you look at it from the Catholics point of view.


  • #81
    takamichinoku
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    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    Obviously they don't let their Mammy fill in the census form for them 
    :D

    In seriousness though, 25% seems low for the number of non-religious in England to me. The drop could be something along those lines where there's a generational lag though?
    The people in their 30s or 40s may have been raised by religious people, they themselves weren't but still claimed to be out of guilt or whatever (e.g. I may've put myself down as Catholic on the last census, like, I've no clue; I was very wary of insulting my dad's beliefs even when there was no chance he'd ever hear about it). Their children, who hardly ever had to go near a church in their lives asides from possibly for school enrolment purposes or whatever, have no bother saying they don't believe a bit of it.


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  • #82
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    The churches still pull decent numbers in Ireland though, an atheist myth perhaps that only elderly clowns still attend.

    There's an identity factor in being an Irish Catholic as well. Also take people like myself who rebelled against the faith and returned, in college I was full on atheist, I used to love to make fun of backward weirdos still following a book and having faith.

    When I got out into the real world and matured a little my views shifted, I became more right wing based in my politics and started entertaining my inherited faith once again.


  • #83
    takamichinoku
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    Well, the churches back round home are a hell of a lot emptier than they were when I was little. You're basically guaranteed a seat at Christmas Day mass now, even!

    It's probably more evident in those sort of important religious event day type things though. I can remember having to queue to use the urinals at Knock when I went to those things when I was little and by the last time I went the whole place was almost as empty as it'd be on any old day. There used to be no spare seats at all in the Basillica on days like that, the place was so empty that it was absolutely freezing the final few times I was there.

    They might be pulling in relatively decent numbers to other countries, but there's no way they're anywhere near what they once were.


  • #84
    _Redzer_
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I would be all for a new Vatican Council to implement change which is needed. For eg the younger movement are open to women becoming ordained members.

    On social issues it's hard to know, they do follow a book that tells them these things are wrong. There's not much room to maneuvre if you look at it from the Catholics point of view.

    But they seem to change what suits them to claw onto relevancy. Slavery was justified by the bible, then all of a sudden it was grand.

    Same with shellfish and mixed fabric. It's only irrelevant if it's inconvenient. Even though all of it is supposed to be as relevant as each other -and homosexuality is in the same book as those two examples.

    The church doesn't care about upholding views or following anything, it only cares about relevancy -that's evident by their gradual change to try and keep with the rest of society, and keep just one step behind so people don't right them off as backward.
    Once the church is dying on its feet you can bet there's gonna be a miraculous change of heart, and all of a sudden it's going to be about the love -Jesus was all about the love you know.

    They're insanely fickle. Mad for nothing but money and influence.


  • #85
    _Redzer_
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    The churches still pull decent numbers in Ireland though, an atheist myth perhaps that only elderly clowns still attend.

    There's an identity factor in being an Irish Catholic as well. Also take people like myself who rebelled against the faith and returned, in college I was full on atheist, I used to love to make fun of backward weirdos still following a book and having faith.

    When I got out into the real world and matured a little my views shifted, I became more right wing based in my politics and started entertaining my inherited faith once again.

    You're a tiny minority. Generally once you break your faith you do not return. I'm a young guy and the majority of my friends have no religion. Very few of them consider themselves religious, let alone go to mass.

    And yes, this is the real world too. The real world which is full of their bigoted, oppressive views.


  • #86
    takamichinoku
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    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    I'm a young guy and the majority of my friends have no religion. Very few of them consider themselves religious, let alone go to mass.
    I remember on Ash Wednesday in first year I actually popped into the chapel and got my forehead all ashed up for tradition's sake. Met up with a few friends later and every one of us got the ashes from the chapel. Turned out they all done the same.

    My point is, Catholicism seemed to be part of a routine more than a belief for a surprisingly large number of people in my generation. Maybe there were some changes to how it was dealt with in school, priests were probably more directly involved before the 90s?


  • #87
    shewasdiesel
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    The Pope turns out to be Catholic . . . shocking stuff . . . .


  • #88
    shewasdiesel
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    takamichinoku wrote: »
    I remember on Ash Wednesday in first year I actually popped into the chapel and got my forehead all ashed up for tradition's sake. Met up with a few friends later and every one of us got the ashes from the chapel. Turned out they all done the same.

    My point is, Catholicism seemed to be part of a routine more than a belief for a surprisingly large number of people in my generation. Maybe there were some changes to how it was dealt with in school, priests were probably more directly involved before the 90s?

    Not cool or popular, you and your friends need to be isolated


  • #89
    takamichinoku
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    shewasdiesel wrote: »
    Not cool or popular, you and your friends need to be isolated
    Not even sure what you're on about there, to be honest. Was just bemusing.
    It actually takes a bit of time to shake that stuff off when you've been going through the motions for years to avoid insulting your family. Was racked with guilt every time I stopped doing any of the Catholicky stuff* but I think mindlessly continuing with it despite not believing a bit of it would be far more insulting to religious people (as it definitely was there, to be fair).

    I remember there being a significant drop in the number of kids who done the ash wednesday stuff in second year too (I was so surprised that such a large proportion of my class done it in first year that I took note of this, yes). It should mean far more than a just set of chores or habits that you forget about once you're used to a new environment.
    A big problem with Catholicism (tons of religions, I guess?) to me seems to be that the focus is on all these events and rituals and so on, rather than promoting a way of life which people have to follow to be a good Catholic. It allows an approach to develop where you just have to attend, support and participate in all these things and sure aren't you going to heaven then cos you've got quantifiable proof of how great you are.


    Ugh, sorry, I should keep away from religion discussions!:o

    *e.g. missing a first Saturday, not fasting before communion, not having Confession for a few months, missing mass on a weekend and not making up for it over the week, preparing a dinner that contains meat on a Friday, not doing all the easter stuff... I'm still extremely uncomfortable using the word "atheist" because I feel like I'm spitting on my parents.


  • #90
    shewasdiesel
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    takamichinoku wrote: »
    Not even sure what you're on about there, to be honest. Was just bemusing.
    It actually takes a bit of time to shake that stuff off when you've been going through the motions for years to avoid insulting your family. Was racked with guilt every time I stopped doing any of the Catholicky stuff* but I think mindlessly continuing with it despite not believing a bit of it would be far more insulting to religious people (as it definitely was there, to be fair).

    I remember there being a significant drop in the number of kids who done the ash wednesday stuff in second year too (I was so surprised that such a large proportion of my class done it in first year that I took note of this, yes). It should mean far more than a just set of chores or habits that you forget about once you're used to a new environment.
    A big problem with Catholicism (tons of religions, I guess?) to me seems to be that the focus is on all these events and rituals and so on, rather than promoting a way of life which people have to follow to be a good Catholic. It allows an approach to develop where you just have to attend, support and participate in all these things and sure aren't you going to heaven then cos you've got quantifiable proof of how great you are.


    Ugh, sorry, I should keep away from religion discussions!:o

    *e.g. missing a first Saturday, not fasting before communion, not having Confession for a few months, missing mass on a weekend and not making up for it over the week, preparing a dinner that contains meat on a Friday, not doing all the easter stuff... I'm still extremely uncomfortable using the word "atheist" because I feel like I'm spitting on my parents.

    sorry I thought you were a Catholic there for a moment, phew that was a close one, yeah a ceremony is completely meaningless and pointless as you get older unless you a) accurately learn why you're actually doing it and b) actually believe in it.


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  • #91
    feargale
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    quote="feargale;91567010"]Didn't somebody put this another way? " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."[/quote]
    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    Gareth Brooks ?

    I'm not aware that he did say it, but then I wouldn't know if he said the moon was made of Emmenthal cheese.
    Do you have a problem with the dictum quoted?


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