Popes New Commandments for today's life

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/the-new-ten-commandments-pope-francis-top-ten-tips-for-a-better-life-30474579.html

Popes new 10 Commandments
Turn off the TV, calm down and stop trying to convert people to your religion.
1 Don't proselytise; respect others' beliefs. “We can inspire others through witness so that one grows together in communicating. But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyses: 'I am talking with you in order to persuade you,' No. Each person dialogues, starting with his and her own identity. The church grows by attraction, not proselytising,” the Pope said
2 A healthy sense of leisure. The Pope said “consumerism has brought us anxiety”, and told parents to set aside time to play with their children and turn of the TV when they sit down to eat
3 Work for peace. “We are living in a time of many wars,” he said, and “the call for peace must be shouted. Peace sometimes gives the impression of being quiet, but it is never quiet, peace is always proactive” and dynamic
4 Find innovative ways to create dignified jobs for young people. “We need to be creative with young people. If they have no opportunities they will get into drugs” and be more vulnerable to suicide, he said
5 “Live and let live.” Everyone should be guided by this principle, he said, which has a similar expression in Rome with the saying, “Move forward and let others do the same.”
6 Respect and take care of nature. Environmental degradation “is one of the biggest challenges we have,” he said. “I think a question that we're not asking ourselves is: 'Isn't humanity committing suicide with this indiscriminate and tyrannical use of nature?'
7 “Proceed calmly” in life. The pope, who used to teach high school literature, used an image from an Argentine novel by Ricardo Guiraldes, in which the protagonist — gaucho Don Segundo Sombra — looks back on how he lived his life
8 Stop being negative. “Needing to talk badly about others indicates low self-esteem. That means, 'I feel so low that instead of picking myself up I have to cut others down,'” the Pope said. “Letting go of negative things quickly is healthy.”
9 Sundays should be holidays. Workers should have Sundays off because “Sunday is for family,” he said
10 “Be giving of yourself to others.” People need to be open and generous toward others, he said, because “if you withdraw into yourself, you run the risk of becoming egocentric. And stagnant water becomes putrid.”

wretcheddomain

Deleted User wrote: »

Popes new 10 Commandments
Turn off the TV, calm down and stop trying to convert people to your religion.
1 Don't proselytise; respect others' beliefs.

I stopped reading that this disturbingly ironic part.

padd b1975

[Deleted User] wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/the-new-ten-commandments-pope-francis-top-ten-tips-for-a-better-life-30474579.html

Popes new 10 Commandments
Turn off the TV, calm down and stop trying to convert people to your religion.
1 Don't proselytise; respect others' beliefs. “We can inspire others through witness so that one grows together in communicating. But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyses: 'I am talking with you in order to persuade you,' No. Each person dialogues, starting with his and her own identity. The church grows by attraction, not proselytising,” the Pope said
2 A healthy sense of leisure. The Pope said “consumerism has brought us anxiety”, and told parents to set aside time to play with their children and turn of the TV when they sit down to eat
3 Work for peace. “We are living in a time of many wars,” he said, and “the call for peace must be shouted. Peace sometimes gives the impression of being quiet, but it is never quiet, peace is always proactive” and dynamic
4 Find innovative ways to create dignified jobs for young people. “We need to be creative with young people. If they have no opportunities they will get into drugs” and be more vulnerable to suicide, he said
5 “Live and let live.” Everyone should be guided by this principle, he said, which has a similar expression in Rome with the saying, “Move forward and let others do the same.”
6 Respect and take care of nature. Environmental degradation “is one of the biggest challenges we have,” he said. “I think a question that we're not asking ourselves is: 'Isn't humanity committing suicide with this indiscriminate and tyrannical use of nature?'
7 “Proceed calmly” in life. The pope, who used to teach high school literature, used an image from an Argentine novel by Ricardo Guiraldes, in which the protagonist — gaucho Don Segundo Sombra — looks back on how he lived his life
8 Stop being negative. “Needing to talk badly about others indicates low self-esteem. That means, 'I feel so low that instead of picking myself up I have to cut others down,'” the Pope said. “Letting go of negative things quickly is healthy.”
9 Sundays should be holidays. Workers should have Sundays off because “Sunday is for family,” he said
10 “Be giving of yourself to others.” People need to be open and generous toward others, he said, because “if you withdraw into yourself, you run the risk of becoming egocentric. And stagnant water becomes putrid.”

The standard of Op reaches a new low, copy and paste then feck off without adding your own opinion.

Lapin

Fuck the Pope.

Hitch has it sussed.

timetogo

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I stopped reading that this disturbingly ironic part.

I never understand this. If your beliefs are correct then why respect other beliefs that are counter to yours. Unless, your beliefs might not be correct.

Fighting Irish

Religion is for the weak or uneducated

Lapin

timetogo wrote: »

I never understand this. If your beliefs are correct then why respect other beliefs that are counter to yours. Unless, you beliefs might not be correct.

Live and let live and all that.

padd b1975

padd b1975 wrote: »

The standard of Op reaches a new low, copy and paste then feck off without adding your own opinion.

Ok here are my ONLY commandments.
1 Live and let live
2 Proceed Calmly
3 Stop being negative.

Grayson

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I stopped reading that this disturbingly ironic part.

Except he's saying that catholics shouldn't preach to non catholics and what he's doing is preaching to catholics. He's sticking to his own rules.


Personally I like Jim Jeffries version of the bible "try not to be a cunt"

wretcheddomain

timetogo wrote: »

I never understand this. If your beliefs are correct then why respect other beliefs that are counter to yours. Unless, you beliefs might not be correct.

Precisely because you don't know.

That's why it's called a 'belief' as opposed to a 'fact'.

Except he's saying that catholics shouldn't preach to non catholics and what he's doing is preaching to catholics. He's sticking to his own rules.

So the Catholic Church has stopped all missionary activity?

In Lonesome Dove

I was raised as a catholic but now days I don't have much faith. I like this new pope though and I like this list he came out with.

kneemos

timetogo wrote: »

I never understand this. If your beliefs are correct then why respect other beliefs that are counter to yours. Unless, you beliefs might not be correct.

You would have to respect in a condescending way as Catholicism is the one true religion.

Sir Osis of Liver.

NotASheeple

Lapin wrote: »

Fuck the Pope.

I love the intolerant irony here.

timetogo

Lapin wrote: »

Live and let live and all that.

Not really. I read Penn Gillettes book.

He has a good chapter on how if you really believe that somebody is going to go to hell, isn't it your duty to convert them to save them.

His chapter had an analogy.

Guy standing on train tracks.
Train approaching.
Doesn't believe the train will hit him.
You know it will.
Most people would push the guy off the train tracks if they could rather than just respect his beliefs.

Obviously the chapter fleshes it out a bit but I'm typing this on my phone.

eyescreamcone

Basically he's saying that the church is now cool and modern.

The church has NOT changed it's stance on the following matters one bit:

-anti women
-anti gay
-anti divorce
- anti contraception (including as a preventative measure in fighting the spread of AIDS)
- anti abortion in ALL circumstances


Come back Francis when you have something concrete to say you chancer

timetogo

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Precisely because you don't know.

That's why it's called a 'belief' as opposed to a 'fact'.

So the Pope and clergy have doubt. I did not know that.

I thought they profess to know.

I started the topic because I thought it fresh and positive. I'm not into any particular religion and am a fan of my late fathers 11th Commandment "Poor man, mind thyself".

shruikan2553

The new pope says a lot of good things, if he would act on them now that would be great.

MRnotlob606

Lapin wrote: »

Fuck the Pope.

Hitch has it sussed.

Hitchens wasn't right about everything, god I hate the cult that has growing up around that man

MRnotlob606

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Religion is for the weak or uneducated

That has never been said before. Well done on your significant original contribution.

eyescreamcone

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Hitchens wasn't right about everything, god I hate the cult that has growing up around that man

Nobody is right about everything.

And speaking of cults that have grown up - you might like to include the one that Francis leads.

Meangadh

I dunno, reckon it's a pretty decent list of stuff to live by. Yeah there's lots of things the CC still has to answer to and deal with (women, gay rights and contraception especially) but I think if people lived by that list in general then it'd be a good start.

The_Valeyard

This Pope is cool, he does seem to be genuinely trying to reform things, and to be fair, regardless of your faith, those 10 commandments are pretty sound.

In Lonesome Dove

Meangadh wrote: »

I dunno, reckon it's a pretty decent list of stuff to live by. Yeah there's lots of things the CC still has to answer to and deal with (women, gay rights and contraception especially) but I think if people lived by that list in general then it'd be a good start.

This 100%. Regardless of religion this is a good list to take on board and live by.

Icaras

Deleted User wrote: »

5 “Live and let live.” Everyone should be guided by this principle, he said,

Yea now hes young and his heart is an open book but I'll bet eventually....

DeadHand

Whatever you may think of Catholicism, this pope or religion in general, plenty of common sense and wisdom in that list.

Nice one, Franky!

c_man

NotASheeple wrote: »

**** the Pope.

I love the intolerant irony here.

Nah, you picked him wrong/ He's just a fan of Michael Longley's poetry :pac:



http://www.poetrybyheart.org.uk/poems/wounds/

Lapin

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Hitchens wasn't right about everything, god I hate the cult that has growing up around that man

Who said he was?


As for the cult that has grown up around him, there is a bit of that, but you'll always get that when someone popular dies.

As for myself though, I've been reading his articles for over 20 years.

I agreed with almost everything he said about religion but also disagreed with him on other topics, most notably his defending of the actions of the George W. Bush.

Pherekydes

Deleted User wrote: »

9 Sundays should be holidays. Workers should have Sundays off because “Sunday is for family,”

Will those who are going to be involved in accidents in the home, garden and on our roads, those who get sick, have heart attacks, strokes and so on, hold off until Monday, because Doctors, nurses, first responders, Gardaí and so on have families too.

Oh, and if you want to have dinner and a pint in the pub or go to the zoo, then feck off. It's Sunday!

Tail Docker

He probably came up with these after receiving a tablet from Moses.

Moses being the african lad who delivers his MDMA.

mickydoomsux

"Thou shalt not Facebook something to your instagram.

Twitter...... Web 2.0"

We get it Vatican. You are the coolest ever and not even slightly a dangerous and backwards cult.

Turtwig

Populist PR bullsht. You gotta hand it to him his PR is decent but actions speak louder than words. An apology to LGBT folk for the disgusting things his members has done and said about those folk would be a step in the right direction. All he is currently doing is maintaining the status quo and saying nice things. Which are ultimately vacuous.

Geomy

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Hitchens wasn't right about everything, god I hate the cult that has growing up around that man

All he really did was study holy books and the history of religion and different cultures, wrote and spoke about all the negativity surrounding religion, spirituality different cultures and all things woo...

I think he was obsessed with it all, but interesting at the same time.

Czarcasm

Turtwig wrote: »

Populist PR bullsht. You gotta hand it to him his PR is decent but actions speak louder than words. An apology to LGBT folk for the disgusting things his members has done and said about those folk would be a step in the right direction. All he is currently doing is maintaining the status quo and saying nice things. Which are ultimately vacuous.

It's a small step in the right direction though is it not?

Overnight reform just doesn't happen, and won't happen by fostering negativity.

Sure, he could apologise and all the rest of it, but would you not equally consider his apology "saying nice things which are ultimately vacuous"?

Turtwig

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's a small step in the right direction though is it not?

Overnight reform just doesn't happen, and won't happen by fostering negativity.

Sure, he could apologise and all the rest of it, but would you not equally consider his apology "saying nice things which are ultimately vacuous"?

No, it's not. Right now opposition in every state that is secular is based on the idea that marriage is determined by religion. Divorce is allowed and against Catholic teachings, so are condoms, but there is no RCC campaign to legally ban those. If they truly believe in live and let live show it! Show that they recognise that LGBT folk are equal in the eyes of the law and what constitutes marriage in Ireland, or wherever, isn't the property of the Catholic Church.

An acknowledgement of gays being equal would be the a great step and not one bit vacuous. So yeah, and apology and admission that gays can actually be let live would be fantastic.

kneemos

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's a small step in the right direction though is it not?

Overnight reform just doesn't happen, and won't happen by fostering negativity.

Sure, he could apologise and all the rest of it, but would you not equally consider his apology "saying nice things which are ultimately vacuous"?

Apologising to the LGBT community would be an admission of guilt and as you say a small step in the right direction.Not vacuous at all.

suicide_circus

Lapin wrote: »

Fuck the Pope.

2 kool 4 skool

Czarcasm

kneemos wrote: »

Apologising to the LGBT community would be an admission of guilt and as you say a small step in the right direction.Not vacuous at all.

If the Pope hosted a Pride Parade in the Vatican you'd still have people say "He's only doing it for the PR"...

kneemos

Czarcasm wrote: »

If the Pope hosted a Pride Parade in the Vatican you'd still have people say "He's only doing it for the PR"...

Maybe so in fairness.Cant blame people for being suspicious given their inability to change and ruthless self preservation.

Turtwig

Czarcasm wrote: »

If the Pope hosted a Pride Parade in the Vatican you'd still have people say "He's only doing it for the PR"...

True, but it's some gesture in my eyes and a step in the right direction. Now he's just saying the same pleasing sht the Dalai lama says and various religious folks from time immemorial all the while they still condoned despicable attitudes and actions. If this pope is truly progressive he needs to show it. Not by PR propaganda but actual actions that show he really does believe everyone should be left to live.

Hotfail.com

Lapin wrote: »

Fuck the Pope.

Hitch has it sussed.

Now there's a man I was hoping I'd never see again.

Czarcasm

Turtwig wrote: »

True, but it's some gesture in my eyes and a step in the right direction. Now he's just saying the same pleasing sht the Dalai lama says and various religious folks from time immemorial all the while they still condoned despicable attitudes and actions. If this pope is truly progressive he needs to show it. Not by PR propaganda but actual actions that show he really does believe everyone should be left to live.

Such as?

Personally, I'd hate to see him follow Enda Kenny's example:


- Apologise to the victims of the Magdelene Laundries.

- Tell the RC to stay out of State affairs re abortion.

- Kissing the Pope's hole from here to, well, high Heaven

- Attempt to brush the latest Mother and Baby Homes scandal under the carpet in the hope it'll go away.

Secular State my ass tbh. Those things you mentioned in your earlier post are the responsibility of Government, and they really aren't too pushed about tackling the issues you raise.

shewasdiesel

Oh look another religion rant thread on boards. YAWN.

DeadHand

There's a prevailing view out there that nothing the CC or pope says are does can be good. This list taken on it's own merits is benevolent and wise. Some are willfully blind to this and would prefer to throw lazy, anti-Catholic shapes than analyse and comment on the contents of the list.

This is intolerant and dogmatic. Which is ironic, as dogma and intolerance is what the CC is, rightly, notorious for.

Where were/would be these brave keyboard warriors when Catholic nonsense and dogma was the prevailing view in this land and sticking your head above the parapet was genuinely dangerous? Maintaining a careful silence mostly, I'd bet.

Czarcasm

Turtwig wrote: »

An acknowledgement of gays being equal would be the a great step and not one bit vacuous. So yeah, and apology and admission that gays can actually be let live would be fantastic.

In a nearly 90-minute news conference on his flight back from Brazil, the Pope spoke openly and directly about a subject the Catholic Church has long considered taboo and commonly ignored altogether. “If they accept the Lord and have good will, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized,” Pope Francis told reporters in Italian. “The tendency is not the problem. They’re our brothers.”

Appearing on CBS This Morning on Tuesday, the Archbishop of New York said the Pope was unequivocal in his statement. “He’s articulating well, in a beautifully tender way, the traditional teachings of the church, that while certain acts may be wrong, we would always love and respect the person and treat the person with dignity,” Dolan said. “People are always saying, ‘Can we expect, now, changes in church teaching?’ Of course, Pope Francis would be the first to say, ‘Well, my job isn’t to change church teaching, my job is to present it as clearly as possible.’”

“A person’s identity, respect, the dignity and love that he or she deserves, does not depend on anything—sexual orientation, how much money we’ve got, if we’ve got a green card or immigration papers, if we’ve got a stock portfolio. It doesn’t depend on anything other than the fact that we’re a child of God, made in his image.”

The Vatican was quick to point out that the Pope’s comments don’t apply only to gay priests, but also to the entire LGBT community. They mark a stark contrast from the hostile tone of Francis’s predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, who signed a document banning gay priests.

...

The Pope’s comments are being welcomed by many in the LGBT community. Equally Blessed, a coalition of four Catholic organizations supporting LGBT people and their families, released a statement supporting the Pope’s “compassionate tone.”

“Pope Francis today uttered some of the most encouraging words a pontiff has ever spoken about gay and lesbian people. In doing so, he has set a great example for Catholics everywhere,” the statement read. “The Pope has rejected the harsh language of his predecessor, Benedict XVI, for a compassionate approach and a pastoral tone. Lesbians and gays are no longer a ‘threat to civilization,’ rather they are people of faith and good will.”

http://www.diversityinc.com/diversity-and-inclusion/pope-francis-softens-stance-toward-lgbt-community/


More saying nice things that are completely vacuous though?

His message is positive, but it's never going to be enough for some people who demand change overnight, while not realising that even if the RCC DID change their stance overnight on the issues you raised, the same attitudes would still remain among many of it's 1bn members.

Adamantium

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Religion is for the weak or uneducated

OH......... SHUT THE **** UP, Listen your yourself I'm as big an atheist as it comes and every society that has ever existed and will ever exist will have its rituals, when we reach a new solar system, we'll no doubt have some sort of comic appreciation society/religion too. We create meaning, other wise people go nilhilistic.

Humans can't exist in a vacuum. If you get up at 6am every morning to look at the sun, that's a religion too after long enough

Man needs his symbols and so do you, we do it all the time.

I find it ironic that progressives have finally got their freedom to speech after centuries and all they want to do is tell be the resident thought police.

I's funny I've rarely had conversations with atheists that were as open minded as those with believers. Far more open minded and understanding of what freedom entails.

shewasdiesel

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Religion is for the weak or uneducated

I thought it was supposed to be for the stupid and the irrational ?

Fighting Irish

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Religion is for the weak or uneducated

It's so easy to say this, and I used to think it when I was younger. Then I met many very, very clever people, who happened to also be religious, and I grew up a bit. I'm an atheist, or as agnostic as can be if you like, since I don't believe in unproven absolutes.

I don't know how anyone can object to the 'Commandments' in the OP, most of them are rules of care and decency.

If you're Catholic or atheist, there's much to aspire to in those commandments, even if the rest of the shebang leaves much to be worked on. The pope is just doing his job, and I think he appears to be doing it much better than his predecessors, within his narrow remit.

darkpagandeath

So hang on, The burning bush sorry God. He got them wrong the first time around ?

Chancer3001

He should have just said

BE SOUND