Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

woodoo · 03-08-2014 09:05PM

This is the first non news video i have seen showing what has been happening in Gaza for the last month. Its depressing and shocking. But i think it is important people see videos like this. Its not gory or anything. http://cdn.top4top.net/d_1c31cca8b20.mp4

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:08PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Hmmm, how do you "seize" power after you win a free and fair election exactly?
Nope, Israel starting the siege in 1989. Hamas was only founded about 2 years before hand if you still want to blame them.

If you won an election you seize power.

The blockade is eight years old.

You have contradicted your earlier argument that Hamas came about due to the siege of Gaza.

Sonics2k · 03-08-2014 09:10PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The siege of Gaza came about when Hamas seized power in Gaza.

You mean the democratically elected leading party of Gaza that was voted in, right?

FYI, I'm no fan of Hamas, but in this case they are the lesser of two evils. At the end of the day, the Israeli government is invading another country. It really is that simple.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 09:12PM

RobertKK wrote: »

If you won an election you seize power.

The blockade is eight years old.

You have contradicted your earlier argument that Hamas came about due to the siege of Gaza.

WTF, so Fine Gael and Labour "seized" power when they were elected in? Obama "seized" power in the USA when he was elected president? Is this the latest dictionary entry to get an IDF propaganda division makeover?
Israel started special border control measures in Gaza in 1989. Uncontestable fact.
Hamas coming to power was thanks to the siege. Their actual inception was obviously earlier. I though that wouldn't be too complicated for you to understand.

carpejugulum · 03-08-2014 09:12PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Hamas might or might not want to kill civilians with their rockets. We simply don't know.

We do know of course.
This is in their charter:

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Israel we are 100% certain do want to kill civilians.

If they wanted to kill civilians, there would have been 100 times more dead.

Nate--IRL-- · 03-08-2014 09:13PM

RobertKK wrote: »

If you won an election you seize power.

What is this bull****?

Nate

Awkward Badger · 03-08-2014 09:14PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Rockets and missiles flying on Newstalk right now...

Painful to listen to.

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:15PM

Seize = capture, take...

Of course if one wins a general election and they seize power.

darkpagandeath · 03-08-2014 09:15PM

Did the Israeli leader size power ?

ShagNastii · 03-08-2014 09:16PM

This might sound extremely stupid. Excluded the threat from Muslim countries (which is already there) what would happen if Israel were to lump a nuclear bomb into Gaza?

It is not as if the world police that is the USA is going to go in all guns a blazing.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 09:17PM

carpejugulum wrote: »

If they wanted to kill civilians, there would have been 100 times more dead.

Just because they haven't killed all of them doesn't mean they don't want to deliberately kill civilians.
There's a slight possibility Obama would tut tut if the IDF nuked Gaza for instance. Only slight mind you;

Awkward Badger · 03-08-2014 09:17PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Seize = capture, take...

Of course if one wins a general election and they seize power.

seize
siːz/Submit
verb
1.
take hold of suddenly and forcibly.

Elected to power ≠ Seized power.

Nate--IRL-- · 03-08-2014 09:17PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Seize = capture, take...

Of course if one wins a general election and they seize power.

Stop talking bollox.

seize

1.
take hold of suddenly and forcibly.

Nate

Little CuChulainn · 03-08-2014 09:18PM

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Painful to listen to.

Our first guest is a humanitarian rights campaigner. We will start off by telling him that the Palestinians deserve it. Let's see what happens. After the break, an irate Israeli citizen will be allowed to shout out racist propaganda without any challenge. We don't usually do this but we're hoping it will rile everyone up a bit more.

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:19PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Did the Israeli leader size power ?

I take it you mean seize.

Yes when Netanyahu won the election he seized power.
The aim of a general/presidential election is to seize power.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 09:19PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Seize = capture, take...

Of course if one wins a general election and they seize power.

So I can seize a litre of milk in Tesco?
Just give up mate. You tried to lump an emotive piece of nonsense into your sentence but it just made everyone guffaw. Drop it.

Donkey Oaty · 03-08-2014 09:20PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Our first guest is a humanitarian rights campaigner. We will start off by telling him that the Palestinians deserve it. Let's see what happens. After the break, an irate Israeli citizen will be allowed to shout out racist propaganda without any challenge. We don't usually do this but we're hoping it will rile everyone up a bit more.

Is it Tom Dunne's show?

Nate--IRL-- · 03-08-2014 09:20PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I take it you mean seize.

Yes when Netanyahu won the election he seized power.
The aim of a general/presidential election is to seize power.

They took power suddenly and forcibly?

Nate

h2005 · 03-08-2014 09:21PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I take it you mean seize.

Yes when Netanyahu won the election he seized power.
The aim of a general/presidential election is to seize power.

Is english your first language?

Little CuChulainn · 03-08-2014 09:21PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Is it Tom Dunne's show?

I don't know, I had to turn it off when the holocaust was mentioned as an excuse.

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:22PM

ShagNastii wrote: »

This might sound extremely stupid. Excluded the threat from Muslim countries (which is already there) what would happen if Israel were to lump a nuclear bomb into Gaza?

It is not as if the world police that is the USA is going to go in all guns a blazing.

Israel would have a radiation problem.

Awkward Badger · 03-08-2014 09:24PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Is it Tom Dunne's show?

Mark Coleman I believe.

user2011 · 03-08-2014 09:24PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Seize = capture, take...

Of course if one wins a general election and they seize power.

If

When you win an election you are GIVEN the power to govern the people..

Fatah tried to seize back that power that Hamas were given by the people.

It's one thing to spout/regurgitate propaganda but then too go and make up your is falling to a whole new low.

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:25PM

h2005 wrote: »

Is english your first language?

The pen/pencil is mightier than the sword, the force of the democratic will can force a sudden change of power.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 09:26PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The pen/pencil is mightier than the sword, the force of the democratic will can force a sudden change of power.

But it can't change the meaning of fecking words mate.

Gringo180 · 03-08-2014 09:26PM

Meanwhile in the Israeli parliament the deputy speaker has called for the "concentration" and "extermination" of the Gaza population. These are very very dangerous people!

Tuisceanch · 03-08-2014 09:27PM

woodoo wrote: »

This is the first non news video i have seen showing what has been happening in Gaza for the last month. Its depressing and shocking. But i think it is important people see videos like this. Its not gory or anything. http://cdn.top4top.net/d_1c31cca8b20.mp4

Well bizarrely nobody seems to be interested in the news busy as they are arguing over some nonsense. Maybe when they have seized control of their senses they will watch.

Here is another video that might be of interest.I was going to say like but there's nothing to like about this. Given the scale of the damage it's hard to imagine how the Israeli's define 'Pinpoint attacks'. Then maybe not when you look around at the carnage in here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2jFmbUAH_k

h2005 · 03-08-2014 09:28PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The pen/pencil is mightier than the sword, the force of the democratic will can force a sudden change of power.

You obviously bought into the bollocks that Hamas weren't elected but rather they "seized power". Admit you're wrong, move on and stop making a tit of yourself.

darkpagandeath · 03-08-2014 09:29PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Meanwhile in the Israeli parliament the deputy speaker has called for the "concentration" and "extermination" of the Gaza population. These are very very dangerous people!

Did they not complain a little when it was happening to them ? Are these people delusional to think they can do anything they want "Because holocaust".

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 09:30PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

But it can't change the meaning of fecking words mate.

Really?

Language is flexible, I don't think Wordsworth was talking about homosexuals when he used the word 'gay' in the poem 'The daffodils'.

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