Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 06:41PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No i want the ****ing world to.open it's eyes and see the blatant murder of HUNDREDS of people that is happening in Gaza, if the death of 10.innocent civilians will.stop the death of another thousand then so be it. Let's call it "collateral damage"like the IDF do.

The world has its eyes wide open, what you're missing is civilians, yet again, as usual, are the pawns of political games and proxy power struggles. Human beings, pitting other human beings against other human beings, for profit and power.

Manic Moran · 03-08-2014 06:45PM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

OK I'll answer my own question.

Here is an URL citing quotes from Noam Chomsky wrt Media Control.

http://tinyurl.com/nm5txej

Some quotes from that article

"The major media-particularly, the elite media that set the agenda that others generally follow-are corporations “selling” privileged audiences to other businesses. It would hardly come as a surprise if the picture of the world they present were to reflect the perspectives and interests of the sellers, the buyers, and the product. Concentration of ownership of the media is high and increasing. Furthermore, those who occupy managerial positions in the media, or gain status within them as commentators, belong to the same privileged elites, and might be expected to share the perceptions, aspirations, and attitudes of their associates, reflecting their own class interests as well. Journalists entering the system are unlikely to make their way unless they conform to these ideological pressures, generally by internalizing the values; it is not easy to say one thing and believe another, and those who fail to conform will tend to be weeded out by familiar mechanisms."

“Citizens of the democratic societies should undertake a course of intellectual self defense to protect themselves from manipulation and control, and to lay the basis for meaningful democracy.”

Amazing. Two Chomsky political quotes that I actually agree with.

Frank Lee Midere · 03-08-2014 06:57PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Which would in.turn galvanize public opinion around the world, make no.mistake if Israel step up attacks then things will change.

It's happening already.

http://news.sky.com/story/1312145/un-says-gaza-school-attack-a-criminal-act

What's the world going to do?

Frank Lee Midere · 03-08-2014 07:01PM

bumper234 wrote: »

No i want the ****ing world to.open it's eyes and see the blatant murder of HUNDREDS of people that is happening in Gaza, if the death of 10.innocent civilians will.stop the death of another thousand then so be it. Let's call it "collateral damage"like the IDF do.

Yeah but it won't. The old biblical eye for and eye doesn't apply here. Israel kills tens or hundreds for every Israeli.

bumper234 · 03-08-2014 07:02PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

What's the world going to do?

Probably **** all,same as it's doing right now.

Hopefully it will place embargoes on Israel, ordinary citizens will stop buying Israeli produce, politicians will hear from constituants .

Chance The Rapper · 03-08-2014 07:04PM

I don't understand why sites like boards, google, and even Facebook aren't speaking out. If they had a simple link to some of the petitions on fb or google's front pages, there'd be a hell of a lot more support for palestine.

Tuisceanch · 03-08-2014 07:04PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Amazing. Two Chomsky political quotes that I actually agree with.

Well in truth they are self evident as anybody who has worked in a larger corporation would know only too well. The bottom line for all global business concerns is their balance sheet and it would not be a sensible policy to report the news in a way that risks affecting your ratings thus making them less attractive to advertising revenue and inversely you don't report news that casts doubt on the ethics of your advertisers and their vested interests.Play it safe and 'jobs a good'un' as I believe they say in the north of England.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 07:14PM

donegal__road wrote: »

a lot worse to come for Gaza by the looks of it... Israel are planning on depopulating Gaza by whatever means.

Taken from this article in the Jerusalem Post

Annexation of Gaza and expulsion of the population on "humanitarian" grounds. FFS they'd just say black is white so give us the ****ing land wouldn't they?

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 07:14PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

When do counties lob nukes around ? Do ISIS have nukes now ? Bit of a CT stretch to immediately go to the nuclear option... (And don't say WW2)

My post wasn't that complicated. No I didn't say or suggest ISIS have nukes right now. Iran inevitably will though, and Turkey and Egypt. These are big countries in a dangerous region with a potential enemy who they know has nukes. It has to be a long term goal of theirs.
As for ISIS they are apparently already operating in Gaza on a small scale. If their rise continues to be this meteoric Syria could be next and we're straight to a second front for Israel.

A Dub in Glasgo · 03-08-2014 07:19PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2714575/Humanitarian-crisis-Gaza-half-million-homeless.html

The picture of the Israeli soldier kissing the turret of his tank is something else, probably killed another few kids with it

Frank Lee Midere · 03-08-2014 07:27PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2714575/Humanitarian-crisis-Gaza-half-million-homeless.html

The picture of the Israeli soldier kissing the turret of his tank is something else, probably killed another few kids with it

If the daily mail represents British conservatism then israel has lost British support across all ideological divides. Never had the left of course.

mooseknunkle · 03-08-2014 07:30PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2714575/Humanitarian-crisis-Gaza-half-million-homeless.html

The picture of the Israeli soldier kissing the turret of his tank is something else, probably killed another few kids with it

There is some very distressing images in that,dead babies in a ice cream freezer

A Dub in Glasgo · 03-08-2014 07:32PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

If the daily mail represents British conservatism then israel has lost British support across all ideological divides. Never had the left of course.

Yep, I was surprised that the Mail shown a lot of those photos plus the comments are interesting for a jingoistic audience

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 07:36PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

The picture of the Israeli soldier kissing the turret of his tank is something else, probably killed another few kids with it

And his fellow wanna be civilian murderer, and Hamas counterpart, is no doubt kissing rockets.
There's no excuse for targeting and killing civilians, yet many soldiers in many conflicts around the world seem to take great pleasure in it.

Frank Lee Midere · 03-08-2014 07:54PM

War is making some American immigrants to israel a bit peckish.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/does-this-war-make-me-look-fat/

Nodin · 03-08-2014 07:57PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

War is making some American immigrants to israel a bit peckish.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/does-this-war-make-me-look-fat/

Fuck me.....

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 08:19PM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

And his fellow wanna be civilian murderer, and Hamas counterpart, is no doubt kissing rockets.

Hamas rockets aren't guided. We have no way of knowing what Mr Hamas soldier thinks he's aiming at.
We know for a cast iron fact Mr IDF soldier aims his artillery at children sleeping in clearly identified UN shelters.
Not sure if equivalent.

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 08:20PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Hamas rockets aren't guided. We have no way of knowing what Mr Hamas soldier thinks he's aiming at.
We know for a cast iron fact Mr IDF soldier aims his artillery at children sleeping in clearly identified UN shelters.
Not sure if equivalent.

Opps sorry forgot to go along with the Hamas terrorist = good mantra
I don't care which particular terrorist scum, Hamas or Israeli, is trying to murder civilians

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 08:23PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

War is making some American immigrants to israel a bit peckish.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/does-this-war-make-me-look-fat/

No, this war is making you look like a callous bitch.

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 08:25PM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

Opps sorry forgot to go along with the Hamas terrorist = good mantra
I don't care which particular terrorist scum, Hamas or Israeli, is trying to murder civilians

Oh, did somebody say Hamas = good?
Hamas might or might not want to kill civilians with their rockets. We simply don't know.
Israel we are 100% certain do want to kill civilians.

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 08:32PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Oh, did somebody say Hamas = good?
Hamas might or might not want to kill civilians with their rockets. We simply don't know.
Israel we are 100% certain do want to kill civilians.

Yep Hamas is carefully aiming them at Israeli military targets only. We don't know hamas are bad guys at all, they have no track record at all of any murder or intimidation. Sorry but I'm not taking one terrorists side over another, I don't give a shyte what "side" a terrorist is on. They are on their own side not any civilians. I don't give a shyte if its an Israeli or an Arab doing the murdering of civilians, its wrong. I'm not buying into either Hamas or Israeli terrorists bullshyte.

pedro1234 · 03-08-2014 08:32PM

Any truth to this? electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/concentrate-and-exterminate-israel-parliament-deputy-speakers-gaza-genocide-plan

03-08-2014 08:34PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

War is making some American immigrants to israel a bit peckish.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/does-this-war-make-me-look-fat/

thats pretty fukcning incredible

War is really bad for the waistline.........

wow

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 08:44PM

shewasdiesel wrote: »

Yep Hamas is carefully aiming them at Israeli military targets only. We don't know hamas are bad guys at all, they have no track record at all of any murder or intimidation. Sorry but I'm not taking one terrorists side over another, I don't give a shyte what "side" a terrorist is on. They are on their own side not any civilians. I don't give a shyte if its an Israeli or an Arab doing the murdering of civilians, its wrong. I'm not buying into either Hamas or Israeli terrorists bullshyte.

Israel kills roughly 1000 civilians for every 1 killed by Hamas. Hamas only came into being in response to Israel's siege of Gaza, the start of their obvious long game to annexe the area as they have with the West Bank.
This conflict is squarely at Tel Aviv's door.

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 08:49PM

Rockets and missiles flying on Newstalk right now...

Donkey Oaty · 03-08-2014 08:49PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Israel kills roughly 1000 civilians for every 1 killed by Hamas.

That's an interesting statistic. How did you work that out?

RobertKK · 03-08-2014 08:51PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Israel kills roughly 1000 civilians for every 1 killed by Hamas. Hamas only came into being in response to Israel's siege of Gaza, the start of their obvious long game to annexe the area as they have with the West Bank.
This conflict is squarely at Tel Aviv's door.

The siege of Gaza came about when Hamas seized power in Gaza.

shewasdiesel · 03-08-2014 08:55PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Israel kills roughly 1000 civilians for every 1 killed by Hamas. Hamas only came into being in response to Israel's siege of Gaza, the start of their obvious long game to annexe the area as they have with the West Bank.
This conflict is squarely at Tel Aviv's door.

Yeah, funny I used to hear the same type shyte from SF/IRA and the RUC/UDR
I'm not taking one terrorists side over another, I don't give a shyte if they are an Israeli murderer or a Hamas one.

carpejugulum · 03-08-2014 09:00PM

h2005 wrote: »

Here you go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadism
How do you describe Islamophobia and fear mongering?

“a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.”

Dan_Solo · 03-08-2014 09:02PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The siege of Gaza came about when Hamas seized power in Gaza.

Hmmm, how do you "seize" power after you win a free and fair election exactly?
Nope, Israel starting the siege in 1989. Hamas was only founded about 2 years before hand if you still want to blame them.

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