Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

tayto lover · 31-07-2014 07:36PM

bumper234 wrote: »

The yanks have a billion dollars worth of hardware stored in Israel to be used in emergency situations if needed, they also have a deal that Israel can dip into this stockpile if needs be and pay America for what it uses. They don't even have to wait for it to be delivered as it's already in there in storage ready for use.

The Yanks are the UN too.
Time for any self-respecting country to leave that defunct organisation
Fair play to Ban ki-Moon for calling the murders for what they are but he is p1ssing against the wind with the other sheep being afraid to go against the US.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/ban-ki-moon-it-is-outrageous-it-is-unjustifiable-1.1883637

d.pop · 31-07-2014 07:36PM

d.pop wrote: »

Sorry, just a query on the arms supply, not doubting the report but you claim Israel armed the UVF?
Is that not incorrect? Israel sold the captured weapons to an arms dealer and they later ended up with the SA army and then in the north, that the gist of it?
By that logic if the weapons were for example made in Belgium originally did Belgium then arm the UVF ?

^^^^^

This question for dav3

wretcheddomain · 31-07-2014 07:41PM

d.pop wrote: »

^^^^^

This question for dav3

I'll answer it.

You're right. I think he was getting at the indirect involvement of the IDF supplying weaponry to the Ulster Resistance.

In that sense, you're right.

hju6 · 31-07-2014 07:41PM

Hacker group Anonymous has reportedly taken down the website of the Israeli secret service Mossad in protest of Israel’s military incursion in Gaza. The ‘hacktivists’ have already targeted a number of organizations in their mission to stop the “genocide.”

http://rt.com/news/176888-anonymous-hacks-mossad-site/

Son Of A Vidic · 31-07-2014 07:44PM

No surprise to see the Americans speaking out of both sides of their mouth. They condemned the shelling by Israel of a U.N. run school and yet allow the IDF to restock their US supplied ammunition. I suppose you just can't have enough 120mm mortar rounds, tank shells and M4O grenades when you taking out Palestinian civilians.

tayto lover · 31-07-2014 07:45PM

hju6 wrote: »

Hacker group Anonymous has reportedly taken down the website of the Israeli secret service Mossad in protest of Israel’s military incursion in Gaza. The ‘hacktivists’ have already targeted a number of organizations in their mission to stop the “genocide.”

http://rt.com/news/176888-anonymous-hacks-mossad-site/

Brilliant. In wonder if they could divert/reverse the drones too.

Chance The Rapper · 31-07-2014 07:45PM

hju6 wrote: »

Hacker group Anonymous has reportedly taken down the website of the Israeli secret service Mossad in protest of Israel’s military incursion in Gaza. The ‘hacktivists’ have already targeted a number of organizations in their mission to stop the “genocide.”

http://rt.com/news/176888-anonymous-hacks-mossad-site/

This is the kind of stuff that gives hope. Ordinary people taking a stand against a superpower

The Th!ng · 31-07-2014 07:45PM

The Turkish PM had this to say yesterday:

PM ERDOGAN: ISRAELI GENOCIDE REMINISCENT OF HOLOCAUST

VAN, Turkey – Israel's perpetration of genocide against the Palestinians being carried out in Gaza is reminiscent of the Holocaust as Israel is acting with the same immorality as Adolf Hitler, Turkey's PM and presidential candidate Recep Tayyip Erdogan has declared.

Erdogan expressed his anger at a rally in the southeastern Turkish city of Van on Thursday, after the death toll from Israel's ongoing offensive in the Gaza Strip -- now in its fourth week -- reached 1,390 Palestinians, mostly civilians, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza.

Erdogan said: "The children of Gaza could not celebrate Eid and were killed in a cowardly fashion by the Israeli state in schools, homes, mosques and anywhere they took shelter.

"The outcries of innocent Palestinian children -- which resounded throughout the skies and made angels cry -- killed by Israel will not remain unanswered."

"When Muslim children are being killed, the West deems it legal, but when we speak out against the terrorist state of Israel we are called anti-Semite. What kind of an injustice is that?" he asked.

The number of Palestinians wounded in the onslaught has exceeded 8,000 by Thursday afternoon, Palestinian Health Ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Qodra told the Anadolu Agency.

"The dead victims included 315 children, 166 women and 58 elderly people," he said.

Israel's military operation, dubbed operation "Protective Edge," is the Jewish state's third major offensive against the densely-populated Gaza Strip -- which is home to 1.8 million Palestinians -- within the last six years.

In 2008-9, more than 1,500 Palestinians were killed in Israel's three-week long "Operation Cast Lead."

NTMK · 31-07-2014 07:46PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The Yanks are the UN too.
Time for any self-respecting country to leave that defunct organisation
Fair play to Ban ki-Moon for calling the murders for what they are but he is p1ssing against the wind with the other sheep being afraid to go against the US.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/ban-ki-moon-it-is-outrageous-it-is-unjustifiable-1.1883637

until all permanent UNSC members are stripped of their veto the UN will be completely impotent in issues like these

My name is URL · 31-07-2014 07:47PM

hju6 wrote: »

Hacker group Anonymous has reportedly taken down the website of the Israeli secret service Mossad in protest of Israel’s military incursion in Gaza. The ‘hacktivists’ have already targeted a number of organizations in their mission to stop the “genocide.”

http://rt.com/news/176888-anonymous-hacks-mossad-site/

Anonymous.. fucked in the head but not in the heart :pac:

d.pop · 31-07-2014 07:48PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I'll answer it.

You're right. I think he was getting at the indirect involvement of the IDF supplying weaponry to the Ulster Resistance.

In that sense, you're right.[/

Thanks, that particular paragraph struck me as a bit of a stretch at least at face value of the article. Maybe there is more to it somewhere else.

Son Of A Vidic · 31-07-2014 07:51PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Brilliant. In wonder if they could divert/reverse the drones too.

Now that would be something, some cold hearted bástard is about to fire on Palestinian kids. Suddenly the drone aquires him as its target.

hju6 · 31-07-2014 07:51PM

16,000 more killers, more tools to commit war crimes with, and still not one government steps in,

****in pathetic, and wobbly back Kenny to busy on his holidays

Rightwing · 31-07-2014 07:52PM

It's such a shame that our governments in the West are letting us all down. People are educated enough to see and know that wrongs are being committed in the name of self defense, and we have inept, greedy politicans and their only concern is not rocking the boat.

Fair play to the countries in Latin America for making a stand.

Gringo180 · 31-07-2014 07:57PM

RustyNut wrote: »

It would appear that the IDF are prepared to target children as and when it suits them.

Israeli officer: I was right to shoot 13-year-old child

These bastaards will get there comeuppance!!

tayto lover · 31-07-2014 08:02PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

These bastaards will get there comeuppance!!

Hopefully in spades.
To see that little 6-day old baby being carried out to be buries after both her parents were murdered would bring a tear to anyone's eye except of course if you were an Israeli or a supporter of their murderous campaign.

Gringo180 · 31-07-2014 08:07PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Hopefully in spades.
To see that little 6-day old baby being carried out to be buries after both her parents were murdered would bring a tear to anyone's eye except of course if you were an Israeli or a supporter of their murderous campaign.

The thoughts of that 13 year old girl been shot like a dog 10 times by the oh so brave IDF is really playing on my mind here. That is somebodies daughter, slaughtered like an animal just for one reason and that her been a Palestinian. How can anybody defend this?

Phonehead · 31-07-2014 08:08PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

The thoughts of that 13 year old girl been shot like a dog 10 times by the oh so brave IDF is really playing on my mind here. That is somebodies daughter, slaughtered like an animal just for one reason and that her been a Palestinian. How can anybody defend this?

Beacuse Israel has a right to defend itself against children:rolleyes:

tayto lover · 31-07-2014 08:12PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

The thoughts of that 13 year old girl been shot like a dog 10 times by the oh so brave IDF is really playing on my mind here. That is somebodies daughter, slaughtered like an animal just for one reason and that her been a Palestinian. How can anybody defend this?

The IDF have no fear of any repercussions when you see them openly bragging on social media about killing 13 children. Then when you read of an Israeli MP saying that mothers should be targets to stop them bearing children you soon realise that there are no rules at all for that so-called army.

Praying for bucket loads of Karma for them.

bumper234 · 31-07-2014 08:12PM

Phonehead wrote: »

Beacuse Israel has a right to defend itself against children:rolleyes:

Hey that 13 year old girl could have thrown a rock and hurt one of those brave soldiers. ****ers need to be taken to the Hague and tried for crimes against humanity and if the yanks don't like it then they an **** off too. Murderers supporting murderers:mad:

mrsweebri · 31-07-2014 08:13PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Hopefully in spades.
To see that little 6-day old baby being carried out to be buries after both her parents were murdered would bring a tear to anyone's eye except of course if you were an Israeli or a supporter of their murderous campaign.

Please don't assume that all Israelis are the same. There are Israelis as horrified as you are by these pictures and events.

tayto lover · 31-07-2014 08:14PM

mrsweebri wrote: »

Please don't assume that all Israelis are the same. There are Israelis as horrified as you are by these pictures and events.

I'm sure there are in fairness.
Just a pity they are not being listened to in their country.

Tail Docker · 31-07-2014 08:15PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Even the White House is condemning Israel's behavior now.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/gaza-conflict-us-israeli-attack-un-school

That's something of a first... Israel must surely realize by now that this time it's gone too far.

But his statement said-"our allies, the Israelis..." hardly a condemnation. More like tacit support.

Gringo180 · 31-07-2014 08:15PM

Phonehead wrote: »

Beacuse Israel has a right to defend itself against children:rolleyes:

Personally I think deep down this genocide is killing Barack Obama, but there is nothing he can do as the American congress is full of whack jobs that will support Israel no matter what they do. The tail wags the dog in American politics and the likes of Fox news is brain washing the American public into supporting the zionists.

bumper234 · 31-07-2014 08:16PM

Tail Docker wrote: »

But his statement said-"our allies, the Israelis..." hardly a condemnation. More like tacit support.

I dunno

Last week it was "our friends in Israel".

wretcheddomain · 31-07-2014 08:19PM

mrsweebri wrote: »

Please don't assume that all Israelis are the same. There are Israelis as horrified as you are by these pictures and events.

Not really.

According to a recent poll, 95% of Jewish Israeli's support the genocidal campaign waged against Gaza.

If they were as horrified as you suggest, that figure would be much lower methinks.

tayto lover · 31-07-2014 08:20PM

Small things can make a difference people --

http://www.inminds.com/shopping-can-kill.php

Son Of A Vidic · 31-07-2014 08:22PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Hopefully in spades.
To see that little 6-day old baby being carried out to be buries after both her parents were murdered would bring a tear to anyone's eye except of course if you were an Israeli or a supporter of their murderous campaign.

Terribly sad news, that wee girl was the baby I posted about the other day...

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

...for me that kid is a miracle, a symbol of hope for the future. Don't ask my why I think that but I do.

The poor wee darling. May she R.I.P.

DamagedTrax · 31-07-2014 08:22PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Not really.

According to a recent poll, 95% of Jewish Israeli's support the genocidal campaign waged against Gaza.

If they were as horrified as you suggest, that figure would be much lower methinks.

there's stil 25% of the population are non jewish though. i doubt many of them are fans.

Pwindedd · 31-07-2014 08:23PM

The abused becomes the abuser - persecution begats persecution. It astounds me that the Israeli nation has convinced themselves what they are doing is justified.

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