Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 05:48PM

Ever get the feeling that some facts, like Israeli funded murder of Irish soldiers and the annexation of the West Bank are on some kind of official ignore list? Is there no laughable whataboutery you lads can dream to deflect and distract from those or what?

Rhys Essien · 31-07-2014 05:49PM

Nearly 7pm,will have to hear what Jon Snow has to say on Channel 4 news.

d.pop · 31-07-2014 05:57PM

NotASheeple wrote: »

Or as other posters have pointed out already, it will continue until the Yanks have enough.

Wonderful testosterone fueled bravado talk there. Now to state the obvious, Israel will take one all comers once the Yanks and their generously supplied equipment back them to the hilt.

Oh wait, are you the correspondent for the Israeli people? You speak for them all now? You've travelled the length and breath of the country and sounded them all out? You allegedly know some people and you're now qualified to speak for all? Man, some of the nonsense in here never stops.

Here we go again, Ffs please read things in context.
No I am not speaking on behalf of anybody, I am putting forward an opinion, mine, that as much as I would like this all to end right now I do not think it will.
Israelis are travelling the length of the country delivering comfort packs to their soldiers, supporting them etc.
That does not unfortunately sound like a populace that is fully committed to stopping the "war".
People on here are shouting for somebody to intervene militarily against Israel. I'm simply pointing out that it is unlikely to happen as nobody wants the sort of carnage that would bring to the region.
If you would now care to specifically point out any more of my Nonsense i'll try to clarify for you.
I'm conscious of the time and you 'll likely be off to bed soon so I'll respond as fast as I can...

Crann na Beatha · 31-07-2014 06:04PM

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Nodin · 31-07-2014 06:06PM

Phoenix wrote: »

Have you any links in reference to that?

As ye command
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0731/634281-bazzi-immigration/

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 06:12PM

Nodin wrote: »

As ye command
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0731/634281-bazzi-immigration/

Thanks. Or
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/us-arrest-may-bring-prosecution-for-murder-of-irish-soldiers-1.1881975
TBH this case is so well known I'm not sure if the request for a link was even serious.

JamboMac · 31-07-2014 06:18PM

This might worth a listen the soundcloud on this sight. Nice to see that all Jews aren't viewed worthy either stick Africans and Russians along the Gaza.

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/18576/incremental-genocide_an-interview-with-ilan-pappe

Crann na Beatha · 31-07-2014 06:21PM

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My name is URL · 31-07-2014 06:22PM

Nodin wrote: »

As ye command
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0731/634281-bazzi-immigration/

Weren't there some Irish soldiers killed directly by the IDF too.. rather than by groups supported by them?

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 06:22PM

Nodin wrote: »

As ye command
http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0731/634281-bazzi-immigration/

You'd wonder how these "terrorists" get such an easy ride when they reach US immigration control wouldn't you.

31-07-2014 06:23PM

Is anyone watching channel 4 news? Im in shock. Israeli mother stating that 80% of palenstines that have died are militia!

What's the death count for children so far?

bumper234 · 31-07-2014 06:24PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Is anyone watching channel 4 news? Im in shock. Israeli mother stating that 80% of palenstines that have died are militia!

What's the death count for children so far?

Over 200 are kids

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 06:24PM

Phoenix wrote: »

Well considering im in Canada and there is nothing here about this thats why I have asked,grateful for the links though,interesting reading so far

Fair enough. I just thought this far into the thread most people would know this (even the ones who are defiantly refusing to admit it). Apologies anyway.

Rightwing · 31-07-2014 06:25PM

There's only 1 solution to this, Send in the heavies, be it Russia/China. Someone needs to step up to plate.

Or else countries should just economically isolate Israel until they stop and pay the bill for damages.

smurgen · 31-07-2014 06:28PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Over 200 are kids

she refused to say she recognized the grief of Gazan mothers and said that they need to counter pictures of dead Gazan children. She was a fanatic through and through. I really don't think the Palestinians have any hope with religious fanatics like this.

user2011 · 31-07-2014 06:29PM

I really hope this is just him being a WUM.. He posted it to a Palestinian woman's account.

An alleged Instagram post by an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) sniper boasting the murders of 13 Palestinian children in one day is taking the internet by storm. Multiple websites have shared the picutre of the IDF Combat Engineering Corps Soldier, David D. Ovadia posing with a Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifle. This specific rifle is usualy given to only elite snipers of the IDF.

http://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2014/07/31/idf-sniper-admits-to-murdering-13-gazan-children-on-instagram

bumper234 · 31-07-2014 06:29PM

Rightwing wrote: »

There's only 1 solution to this, Send in the heavies, be it Russia/China. Someone needs to step up to plate.

Or else countries should just economically isolate Israel until they stop and pay the bill for damages.

So Russia or China should.invade Israel?

And how do you think that will help things?

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 06:31PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Weren't there some Irish soldiers killed directly by the IDF too.. rather than by groups supported by them?

Definitely one murdered in 1999 when the IDF deliberately mortared a UN position.

A Dub in Glasgo · 31-07-2014 06:35PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Definitely one murdered in 1999 when the IDF deliberately mortared a UN position.

Collateral damage, they were going after the tunnels

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 06:36PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Collateral damage, they were going after the tunnels

Existential threat from anti-semite turrists.

wp_rathead · 31-07-2014 06:43PM

Rightwing wrote: »

There's only 1 solution to this, Send in the heavies, be it Russia/China. Someone needs to step up to plate.

Or else countries should just economically isolate Israel until they stop and pay the bill for damages.

Yes more bloodshed is what is needed....

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My name is URL · 31-07-2014 06:49PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Definitely one murdered in 1999 when the IDF deliberately mortared a UN position.

That must be the one I recall reading about. Cheers

Good to see they've learned from their past 'mistakes'

dav3 · 31-07-2014 06:53PM

There are a lot of people asking 'what has Israel ever done to us?', 'Why does the majority of Irish people condemn Israel?'

Well apart from the slaughter of innocent children and the genocide currently being committed by Israel, we have plenty of reason to feel aggrieved with the country.

The treatment of our soldiers by the IDF.

The killing of our soldiers by the Israeli armed and funded far-right militias.

Mossad using Irish passports to carry out an assassination.

The deliberate arming of loyalist terrorists to murder Irish civilians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Volunteer_Force

By the mid-1980s, a Loyalist paramilitary-style organisation called Ulster Resistance was formed on 10 November 1986 by Ian Paisley, then leader of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), Peter Robinson of the DUP, and Ivan Foster. Loyalists were successful in importing arms into Northern Ireland. The weapons were Palestine Liberation Organisation arms captured by the Israelis, sold to Armscor, the South African state-owned company which, in defiance of the 1977 United Nations arms embargo, set about making South Africa self-sufficient in military hardware. The UVF used this new infusion of arms to escalate their campaign of sectarian assassinations. This era also saw a more widespread targeting on the UVF's part of IRA and Sinn Féin members, beginning with the killing of senior IRA member Larry Marley[64] and a failed attempt on the life of a leading republican which left three Irish civilians dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93South_Africa_relations

By 1987 Israel found itself the only developed nation in the world that still maintained strong, even strategic relations with apartheid South Africa, which was now entering its final throes.

U.S. Intelligence believed that Israel participated in South African nuclear research projects and supplied advanced non-nuclear weapons technology to South Africa during the 1970s, while South Africa was developing its own atomic bombs.

Loyalist terrorists, Israel and apartheid South Africa, all as one.

Is it any wonder that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland%E2%80%93Israel_relations

Ireland did not allow an Israeli embassy to open until 20 December 1993.

I think we have good reason to be critical of Israel. Just a few of the things Israel have done to us, on top of the current war crimes and illegal occupation of the Palestinians.

Unfortunately I think we have softened our stance toward Israel since 1993. Charlie Flanagan is evidence of that.

hatrickpatrick · 31-07-2014 06:54PM

Even the White House is condemning Israel's behavior now.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/gaza-conflict-us-israeli-attack-un-school

That's something of a first... Israel must surely realize by now that this time it's gone too far.

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 07:06PM

So is the IDF cyber propaganda unit shut for the night of does nobody on the Israeli side want to talk about the annexed West Bank and murdered Irish soldiers?

My name is URL · 31-07-2014 07:13PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Even the White House is condemning Israel's behavior now.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/gaza-conflict-us-israeli-attack-un-school

That's something of a first... Israel must surely realize by now that this time it's gone too far.

In what amounted to the strongest and most explicit condemnation of Israel since the Gaza conflict began, President Barack Obama's press secretary on Thursday called the attack "totally unacceptable" and "totally indefensible"

Unfortunately that's not a 'condemnation' in any real sense. Weasel words for those looking for empty appeasement.

If they truly condemned their actions they'd immediately cease supplying them with munitions.. but fat chance of that

http://www.outlookindia.com/news/article/US-Restocks-Israeli-Supply-of-Grenades-Ammunition/852335

I wonder if they'd vote in favor of a new UN resolution that officially condemns Israel for their actions.. but of course they wouldn't.

Obama is a pathetically toothless individual

tayto lover · 31-07-2014 07:16PM

So the IDF apparently ran out of missiles and were immediately re-armed by the US.
May the good Lord sh1t on both your houses.

beano345 · 31-07-2014 07:19PM

tayto lover wrote: »

So the IDF apparently ran out of missiles and were immediately re-armed by the US.
May the good Lord sh1t on both your houses.

Hope it comes back to bite them in the hole like afghanistan

bumper234 · 31-07-2014 07:31PM

tayto lover wrote: »

So the IDF apparently ran out of missiles and were immediately re-armed by the US.
May the good Lord sh1t on both your houses.

The yanks have a billion dollars worth of hardware stored in Israel to be used in emergency situations if needed, they also have a deal that Israel can dip into this stockpile if needs be and pay America for what it uses. They don't even have to wait for it to be delivered as it's already in there in storage ready for use.

d.pop · 31-07-2014 07:33PM

Sorry, just a query on the arms supply, not doubting the report but you claim Israel armed the UVF?
Is that not incorrect? Israel sold the captured weapons to an arms dealer and they later ended up with the SA army and then in the north, that the gist of it?
By that logic if the weapons were for example made in Belgium originally did Belgium then arm the UVF ?

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