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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #722
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    'We are washing our hands of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.'

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/victoria-white/we-are-washing-our-hands-of-the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians-277240.html


  • #723
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Herb Powell wrote: »
    Might as well lay out the usual justifications before anyone says them

    • "Palestine never existed as a nation"
    • "Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East"
    • "Hamas are hiding rockets in buildings"
    • "Hamas don't spend their money on protecting their citizens"
    • "Hamas want to kill all jews"
    • "Hamas fired rockets"
    • "Antisemitism"
    • "Are you denying Israel's right to exist?"
    • "Why is nobody saying anything about Syria/ISIS/etc?"

      Which all apparently, in their own way, give the go-ahead for the slaughter of civilians. Stay classy, IDF.


    HAMAS are bad. Means we can be as bad as them.

    IDF - "like HAMAS, but with better weapons"


  • #724
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Yeah, like nobody who expresses a pro-Israeli opinion could do it off their own bat - must be a political stooge. :rolleyes:
    So, you think that Israel doesn't send large numbers of professional trolls onto comment sites worldwide to propagandise for itself and to stifle debate?

    Have you been on Mars for the last decade?

    You're obviously just one of the useful idiots who aren't getting paid by them.


  • #725
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    mad muffin wrote: »
    You see, Israel is the "enemy" when they go on social media it's to spread lies and propaganda. Anyone expressing a remotely pro Israeli opinion is a shill and a Zionist.

    And a supporter of little children and baby murder


  • #726
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Hamas have a plan.

    http://www.brennerbrief.com/israel-gaza-conflict-hamas-social-media-activist-campaign-distorts-civilian-casualty-figures/


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  • #727
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,682 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    sid waddell wrote: »
    So, you think that Israel doesn't send large numbers of professional trolls onto comment sites worldwide to propagandise for itself and to stifle debate?

    Have you been on Mars for the last decade?

    You're obviously just one of the useful idiots who aren't getting paid by them.
    It's not a secret that Israel pay people to post pro-israel messages on internet forums

    They've been doing it for years.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #728
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Gotta love Russell Brand - Fox News Hannity dissected, sounds like boards discussions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_m98GAdqKM

    and Hannity 'dissects' Brand :o

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/3705595207001/hollywoods-troubling-take-on-hamas/#sp=show-clips


  • #729
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Hamas have a plan.

    http://www.brennerbrief.com/israel-gaza-conflict-hamas-social-media-activist-campaign-distorts-civilian-casualty-figures/

    That article isn't even anti Hamas, it's completely anti Palestinian.
    Hamas has been pulling out all the stops to portray Israel as the villain and to present the “Palestinians” as wholly innocent victims of unprovoked aggression. Fortunately the international community is beginning to see through the blatant lies that are the stock-in-trade of any self-respecting Hamas supporter
    even if his support was qualified by the reference to the reported rising numbers of “Palestinian” civilian casualties

    Why are they referring to the Palestinian people with inverted commas? And why are they implying that you're pro Hamas if you support the human rights of the people of Palestine?


  • #730
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Hamas have a plan.

    http://www.brennerbrief.com/israel-gaza-conflict-hamas-social-media-activist-campaign-distorts-civilian-casualty-figures/

    When the rubble is searched from the schools, hospitals, residential areas etc, you will find the death toll is actually higher than being reported


  • #731
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Hamas have a plan.

    ...

    If you could, for once, post something from a reliable and trusted news source, it would give credibility to yourself and your argument.

    There plenty of anti-Isreali websites that people could choose from but don't.

    You're wasting your time posting Isreali website links and paid for pro-Israeli blogs, nobody takes them seriously. The only reason for continuing to post them would be to deliberately attempt to derail and close the thread.

    I have never seen a more brainwashed set of people than the Israelis. That's including Americans and North Koreans.


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  • #732
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    and Hannity 'dissects' Brand :o

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/3705595207001/hollywoods-troubling-take-on-hamas/#sp=show-clips

    Hannity says 'Israel haven't gone far enough, they've showed to much restraint!'

    That is the absolute crap in the American media. Im ashamed that genocide cheerleader is of Irish descent.


  • #733
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    Why are they referring to the Palestinian people with inverted commas? And why are they implying that you're pro Hamas if you support the human rights of the people of Palestine?

    It's a common tactic employed by extreme Zionists; the notion that the Palestinians don't really exist or have a claim to nationhood. They're simply confused Jordanians or Egyptians squatting on land that really belongs to the Jews.


  • #734
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    o1s1n wrote: »
    'Conventional' generally means without nuclear capabilities.
    Er, that's kind of why I made a point of it in the first place?


  • #735
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    It must have reached the stage, where someone has to step in? America won't even when Israel is apparently targeting hospitals/ shelters etc.

    The EU need to use some muscle... Forget sanctions and throwing ambassadors out of countries that achieves nothing.

    Issue a simple warning, they either stop what they are doing or their country gets blasted back to the stone age.

    Its easy for Israel to throw its weight around with Palestine I would love to see what they would do against someone who could fight back.


  • #736
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Bolivia declares Israel a 'terrorist state'

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/30/bolivia-israel-terrorist-state/13384989/


  • #737
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    and Hannity 'dissects' Brand :o

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/3705595207001/hollywoods-troubling-take-on-hamas/#sp=show-clips
    I'd sooo love to see a head to head. Hannity would sh1t his pants without his mute guest button.


  • #738
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    twinytwo wrote: »
    It must have reached the stage, where someone has to step in? America won't even when Israel is apparently targeting hospitals/ shelters etc.

    The EU need to use some muscle... Forget sanctions and throwing ambassadors out of countries that achieves nothing.

    Issue a simple warning, they either stop what they are doing or their country gets blasted back to the stone age.

    Its easy for Israel to throw its weight around with Palestine I would love to see what they would do against someone who could fight back.

    This http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option


  • #739
    d.pop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭d.pop


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Well to be fair, if you seen a number of newly registered posters coming out with the Israeli PR statement, it is pointing to a political stooge

    Perhaps the fact that the posts on this thread and the preceding thread are so one sided that people that don't normally post feel they need to?
    That was the case with me at least.

    Just to save all the usual questioning and accusations later.

    I am not getting paid by Mossad or shin Beth or anybody to post here.
    I am not israeli.
    I am anti settlements.
    I am anti Hamas.
    I am appalled by the loss of life in Gaza.
    I lived and worked in Israel for many years and my friends children are in the IDF in gaza and I feel terrible for their parents and siblings.


  • #740
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    twinytwo wrote: »
    It must have reached the stage, where someone has to step in? America won't even when Israel is apparently targeting hospitals/ shelters etc.

    The EU need to use some muscle... Forget sanctions and throwing ambassadors out of countries that achieves nothing.

    Issue a simple warning, they either stop what they are doing or their country gets blasted back to the stone age.

    Its easy for Israel to throw its weight around with Palestine I would love to see what they would do against someone who could fight back.

    Nothing substantive can be done while the US vetoes action at UN level. The best thing that can be done is countries expelling the Israeli diplomats. It might actually make the US think that backing Israel at all costs is so wrong


  • #741
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    twinytwo wrote: »
    The EU need to use some muscle... Forget sanctions and throwing ambassadors out of countries that achieves nothing.
    The EU have shown they have a coherent and synchronised policy on the middle east.
    "Whatever the US tell us to do."


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  • #742
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Oh my god, those poor poor people, they are going in to wipe them out completely.

    Dont call it a war, its not. Its genocide.

    No they're not. That's nonsense.


  • #743
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    No they're not. That's nonsense.
    They're heading that direction fast. There's reports of thousands sheltering in the schools now. If the IDF hit those schools next, the death toll could easily triple in a matter of minutes.


  • #744
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    They're heading that direction fast. There's reports of thousands sheltering in the schools now. If the IDF hit those schools next, the death toll could easily triple in a matter of minutes.

    And that will wipe out all the Palestinians in Gaza?

    A single life lost is too much. It is a failure of humanity. The current situation is dreadful. But let's be realistic.


  • #745
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    d.pop wrote: »
    Perhaps the fact that the posts on this thread and the preceding thread are so one sided that people that don't normally post feel they need to?

    Has it occured to you that the conflict is so one sided??


  • #746
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Completely misread your post, apologies!

    Wasn't my post, was Dan Solo's.


  • #747
    wretcheddomain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    No they're not. That's nonsense.

    It might not be systematic genocide but this conflict has shown genocidal tendencies.

    An awful lot of the 1.8 million population don't have access to adequate food or clean water, never mind sufficient shelter. The only power generator in Gaza has since been destroyed.

    1,400 people may have been killed thus far, but the systematic consequences of Israeli bombardment is of genocidal proportions.
    d.pop wrote: »
    Perhaps the fact that the posts on this thread and the preceding thread are so one sided that people that don't normally post feel they need to?

    Would we be equally one-sided if we spoke about the ills of the Iraq War, or Russia's annexation of Crimea, the genocide in Rwanda, Kosovo or any other atrocity you can name? Similarly, there is no equivocation in this case.


  • #748
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    And that will wipe out all the Palestinians in Gaza?

    A single life lost is too much. It is a failure of humanity. The current situation is dreadful. But let's be realistic.

    No it won't wipe them out but it's a good start. Israel have upped their 'defensive' strategy, so tell me why you think they've done that?


  • #749
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Nothing substantive can be done while the US vetoes action at UN level. The best thing that can be done is countries expelling the Israeli diplomats. It might actually make the US think that backing Israel at all costs is so wrong

    The thing is america could stop this if they wanted. I mean they stopped israel from invading Iraq in 91 even when the Iraqis were landing scuds on/near tel Aviv and Haifa... For obvious reasons.

    But as usual america for all its talk does nothing if it doesn't directly affect them.


  • #750
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    twinytwo wrote: »
    But as usual america for all its talk does nothing if it doesn't directly affect them.

    The US are usually condemned for doing the opposite - "interfering".

    Oh, and the people of Kosovo might argue that the US stepped up to help them out when they were in trouble.


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  • #751
    d.pop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭d.pop


    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    The men of Israel need to refuse to serve

    Easier said than done, military service in Israel is not gender biased, men and women are both required to serve although generally women do not serve in frontline units.
    Refusing to serve is a crime, if you do somehow find a loophole to exclude you you are looking at a very long hard road in normal life as you have not done the right thing, no good job, no promotion, no life in public office and a bit if a pariah generally. Some people do refuse to serve regardless.
    Strangely for many years the ultra Orthodox Jews did not have to serve at all but relied on the rest of the population to protect them when they settled new areas. Bizarre.


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