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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #692
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Contributor 2013 wrote: »
    Let me see...I dont have a treasure trove of internet links/propaganda which folks believe and post to "back up" their so called statements.

    How about this though (bit of the old common sense);

    For ever civilian Israel kills they might as well recruit another 4 Hamas fighters, why would they intentionally do that? I mean realistically,...do they want to continue wasting their resources on this conflict? Realistically now...not in never never land...

    Also, again with the killing of civilians, obviously the phrase "war crimes" would come into Israels thought process? would they actively target civilians, knowing it would bring them lower and lower in the rest of the world (UN) etc...ending up in a trial at the Hague? Why would they risk that?

    You know common sense right? It;s not found on any of them video's you see online.

    Explained back here.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91492276&postcount=32


  • #693
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Baby delivered after its mother killed dies
    http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeast/2014/07/gaza-miracle-baby-dies-after-six-days-201473113345982958.html


  • #694
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Contributor 2013 wrote: »

    Also, again with the killing of civilians, obviously the phrase "war crimes" would come into Israels thought process? would they actively target civilians, knowing it would bring them lower and lower in the rest of the world (UN) etc...ending up in a trial at the Hague? Why would they risk that?



    .

    Because war criminals don't care

    After being given the coordinates of the UN SCHOOL full of sleeping sheltering civilians 17 times,

    'As a shell blasted through the wall, showering occupants with shrapnel and spattering blood on walls and floors, Amna Zantit, 31, scrambled to gather up her three terrified infants in a panicked bid for the relative safety of the schoolyard. "Everyone was trying to escape," she said, clutching her eight-month old baby tightly. Minutes later, a second shell slammed through the roof of the two-storey school. At least 15 people were killed and more than 100 injured. Most were women or children.'

    United Nations officials described the killing of sleeping children as a disgrace to the world and accused Israel of a serious violation of international law after a school in Gaza being used to shelter Palestinian families was shelled on Wednesday.


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/world-disgrace-gaza-un-shelter-school-israel


  • #695
    Javan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭Javan


    jank wrote: »
    What the others wont tell you is that Israel had settlements in Gaza but disbanded them all in 2005 and handed the running of Gaza entirely over to the Palestinians. Since then instead of the leadership trying to improve their peoples lot they have gone on to create a cult of martyrdom, exploit young poor men and women into giving up their lives for the sake of Alah and eternal bliss in an effort to win the war via the hearts and minds of the west with the blood of their own.

    They did NOT hand over the running of Gaza entirely to the Palestinians.
    If there were an independent government in Gaza then the people there would be free to come and go as they wished (not necessarily into Israel, but into other countries that would permit travel). They would be able to trade freely with the rest of the world (again, not necessarily with Israel, but with others who would trade with them).

    'Handing the running of Gaza entirely to the Palestinians' would be a fantastic outcome. That would be the two-state solution that people have been proposing since this conflict began. A solution that the current Israeli regime has ruled out.

    No, what Israel has done is set up to wash their hands of any responsibility for the occupied territories while simultaneously preventing the formation of anything like a normal functioning economy or state.


  • #696
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Contributor 2013 wrote: »

    What's more, what is this 1.8million strong population doing about stopping rocket attacks being launched from their apartment blocks, their streets, their gardens towards Israel, bearing in mind if Israel didn't have the famous "iron dome" the vast majority of those rocket attacks would result in Israeli civilians being maimed and killed.



    The first casualty is always truth.

    Utter ****e

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/rocket-deaths-israel.html
    Additionally, discussion of the efficacy of Iron Dome has been almost exclusively relegated to the number of projectiles intercepted but not to the number of lives saved, which is presumably the ultimate goal. When a correlation is made between Iron Dome’s efficacy and the number of lives saved, it is often expressed in vague or implausible terms, such as “countless lives saved”,“hundreds of lives saved,” and even “thousands of lives saved.”  However, Iron Dome was rolled out in stages beginning March 27, 2011. In the ten years prior to Iron Dome, only 17 fatalities were incurred.


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  • #697
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    Israel have called in 1600 reserve troops... They're acting like they're losing the war :confused:


  • #698
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    The men of Israel need to refuse to serve


  • #699
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    Israel have called in 1600 reserve troops... They're acting like they're losing the war :confused:

    Oh my god, those poor poor people, they are going in to wipe them out completely.

    Dont call it a war, its not. Its genocide.

    Heartbreaking and shameful.


  • #700
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    Israel have called in 1600 reserve troops... They're acting like they're losing the war :confused:

    Thing is, there is no war. This is artillery and missile bombardment of highly populated areas.

    I am less disgusted with Israel as that behaviour is expected of them, I am more disgusted with the US, hypocritical bar stewards. Egging on and supporting these war crimes


  • #701
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Oh my god, those poor poor people, they are going in to wipe them out completely.

    Dont call it a war, its not. Its genocide.

    Heartbreaking and shameful.


    Twenty past nine and we already have a strong contender for hysterical post of the day.


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  • #702
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    We could have a pray to Jesus asking him to get the Muslim and Jew gods to become friends again and stop the fighting.

    That, or get international pressure put on the US to force both sides into peace talks.

    Why don't the "international pressure people" do something about this situation themselves?

    What's this trend about "put pressure on the US" to do something?


  • #703
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Why don't the "international pressure people" do something about this situation themselves?

    What's this trend about "put pressure on the US" to do something?

    If other countries were to rise up against Israel then they'd become an enemy of the US. The US is a strong supporter of Israel, they've even funded their weapons systems.


  • #704
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Barely There wrote: »
    Twenty past nine and we already have a strong contender for hysterical post of the day.

    I wish it WAS hysteria and not actually happening...

    Shame on Israel, this is NOT a war. This is genocide.


  • #705
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Thing is, there is no war. This is artillery and missile bombardment of highly populated areas.

    I am less disgusted with Israel as that behaviour is expected of them, I am more disgusted with the US, hypocritical bar stewards. Egging on and supporting these war crimes
    Why do you say this behaviour isn't expected of the USA? They gave Israel the money and guns. Israel wouldn't exist without their sponsorship. They are one and the same.


  • #706
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Why don't the "international pressure people" do something about this situation themselves?

    What's this trend about "put pressure on the US" to do something?
    As said, the USA is Israel's sponsor and protector at monetary, military and diplomatic level.


  • #707
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Here's the plan for ethnic cleansing

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326#.U9n_z2K9KSM



    MK Moshe Feiglin
    Moshe Feiglin is head of the Manhigut Yehudit [Jewish Leadership] faction in the Likud party and a new member of Knesset.


    My Outline for a Solution in Gaza

    Clear and concise, the steps towards achieving quiet in Gaza.


    Ultimatum – One warning from the Prime Minister of Israel to the enemy population, in which he announces that Israel is about to attack military targets in their area and urges those who are not involved and do not wish to be harmed to leave immediately. Sinai is not far from Gaza and they can leave. This will be the limit of Israel’s humanitarian efforts. Hamas may unconditionally surrender and prevent the attack.

    Attack – Attack the entire ‘target bank’ throughout Gaza with the IDF’s maximum force (and not a tiny fraction of it) with all the conventional means at its disposal. All the military and infrastructural targets will be attacked with no consideration for ‘human shields’ or ‘environmental damage’. It is enough that we are hitting exact targets and that we gave them advance warning.

    Siege – Parallel to the above, a total siege on Gaza. Nothing will enter the area. Israel, however, will allow exit from Gaza. (Civilians may go to Sinai, fighters may surrender to IDF forces).

    Defense – Any place from which Israel or Israel’s forces were attacked will be immediately attacked with full force and no consideration for ‘human shields’ or ‘environmental damage’.

    Conquer – After the IDF completes the "softening" of the targets with its fire-power, the IDF will conquer the entire Gaza, using all the means necessary to minimize any harm to our soldiers, with no other considerations.

    Elimination- The GSS and IDF will thoroughly eliminate all armed enemies from Gaza. The enemy population that is innocent of wrong-doing and separated itself from the armed terrorists will be treated in accordance with international law and will be allowed to leave. Israel will generously aid those who wish to leave.

    Sovereignty – Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza.

    According to polls, most of the Arabs in Gaza wish to leave. Those who were not involved in anti-Israel activity will be offered a generous international emigration package. Those who choose to remain will receive permanent resident status. After a number of years of living in Israel and becoming accustomed to it, contingent on appropriate legislation in the Knesset and the authorization of the Minister of Interior, those who personally accept upon themselves Israel’s rule, substance and way of life of the Jewish State in its Land, will be offered Israeli citizenship.


  • #708
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Contributor 2013 wrote: »
    So uh, where is it "Hamas" launch their rockets from? & store their munitions?
    So uh, you don't actually care about evidence presented because in your head Hamas have rocket launchers is school classrooms full of children and that must be true because it's what's in your head like.


  • #709
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    hju6 wrote: »
    Attack – Attack the entire ‘target bank’ throughout Gaza with the IDF’s maximum force (and not a tiny fraction of it) with all the conventional means at its disposal.
    Ah, there's an admission of their illegal "secret" nuclear weapons if ever there was one.


  • #710
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Can we have one Israel apologist explain to everybody what happens when Palestinians don't fight back?
    Why don't any of you want to even mention the West Bank annexation?


  • #711
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    Israel have called in 1600 reserve troops... They're acting like they're losing the war :confused:

    16,000


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  • #712
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    hju6 wrote: »
    Here's the plan for ethnic cleansing

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326#.U9n_z2K9KSM



    MK Moshe Feiglin
    Moshe Feiglin is head of the Manhigut Yehudit [Jewish Leadership] faction in the Likud party and a new member of Knesset.
    .
    He sounds like a keyboard warrior. It's the same kind of violent fantasies you hear on here from time to time. I could guarantee you if he was one of the guys on the front line of that offensive he'd be pissing his pants hiding in the back of a truck.


  • #713
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,284 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Ah, there's an admission of their illegal "secret" nuclear weapons if ever there was one.

    'Conventional' generally means without nuclear capabilities.


  • #714
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    mad muffin wrote: »
    16,000
    Yea, I typo'd and missed a 0... it's insane!


  • #715
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    o1s1n wrote: »
    'Conventional' generally means without nuclear capabilities.

    Yes, and if they didn't have Nuclear Weapons (unconventional weapons), then there would be no need to use the term "conventional". BTW, its been know for years that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, since Mordechai Vanunu revealed it decades ago.


  • #716
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    ScumLord wrote: »
    He sounds like a keyboard warrior. It's the same kind of violent fantasies you hear on here from time to time. I could guarantee you if he was one of the guys on the front line of that offensive he'd be pissing his pants hiding in the back of a truck.

    Israeli students paid to be keyboard warriors, I bet there has been some on this thread too

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG5DtuAtJ9k


  • #717
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    hju6 wrote: »
    Israeli students paid to be keyboard warriors, I bet there has been some on this thread too

    Yeah, like nobody who expresses a pro-Israeli opinion could do it off their own bat - must be a political stooge. :rolleyes:


  • #718
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,284 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    wes wrote: »
    Yes, and if they didn't have Nuclear Weapons (unconventional weapons), then there would be no need to use the term "conventional". BTW, its been know for years that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, since Mordechai Vanunu revealed it decades ago.

    Completely misread your post, apologies!

    Interesting analysis of wording. I guess at this stage even they know its one of the worst kept secrets in the world.


  • #719
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Yeah, like nobody who expresses a pro-Israeli opinion could do it off their own bat - must be a political stooge. :rolleyes:

    Well to be fair, if you seen a number of newly registered posters coming out with the Israeli PR statement, it is pointing to a political stooge


  • #720
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Yeah, like nobody who expresses a pro-Israeli opinion could do it off their own bat - must be a political stooge. :rolleyes:

    You see, Israel is the "enemy" when they go on social media it's to spread lies and propaganda. Anyone expressing a remotely pro Israeli opinion is a shill and a Zionist.


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  • #721
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,690 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The maps say more than words

    Which side is the aggressor?

    israel-palestine_map_19225_2469.jpg

    If you don't trust the source, there is a page on the BBC that breaks down the changing borders and settlements

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/key_maps/jewish_sett_west.stm

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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