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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #512
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Did you read Nodin's entire post?



    He is not only referring to absence of evidence.

    Yes it's a serious topic and there are many posts to follow and what I posted was deliberately glib and you understandably didn't get the meaning of what I said. It is in fact quite the opposite of what you suppose. It was stated that Israel had no intent of killing civilians and to which Nodin replied that there was no evidence to support that notion and so I suggested that he could instead choose to simply believe the veracity of that quaint notion. I personally,find it slightly ludicrous that anybody in good faith could hold that view given,as Nodin stated,that there is plenty of evidence to refute that notion. I struggle in vain to find anything remotely coherent in what official or unofficial spokespeople for the Israeli side are saying and I hope that someone with a modicum of humanity could better articulate the Israeli position than what has being presented so far. I've read and listened to the same narrative for many years and it goes nowhere and so this is how I choose to express my disgust at the lack of compassion and empathy for human suffering that seems to becoming more fashionable as each day passes. There are good people in Israel and their diaspora and I would like to hear more of their voices.


  • #513
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    "I have the numbers"

    Interesting turn of phrase.

    Really, that is the best you got. Look, I showed you the clear intent, and we have seen that intention implemented in Gaza, as it has been done many times before.


  • #514
    beano345
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    Sometimes you just can't hate enough

    http://rt.com/news/176372-israel-racist-chant-gaza/


  • #515
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Gotta love Russell Brand - Fox News Hannity dissected, sounds like boards discussions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_m98GAdqKM


  • #516
    JC01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭JC01


    dav3 wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what way I read your posts, it still comes across as trying to justify the killing of innocent children.

    I'm not sure what country you're from or if you've seen the news this morning.

    Although RTE removed the reference to



    that they had earlier.

    and added



    for whatever reason.



    But here is the latest news.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0730/633916-gaza-israel/


    How do you think anybody can justify murdering children? Where exactly did I try to do that? And I'm Irish by the way. Just because there are a few rallies popping up around the place doesn't mean the whole country is in the pro-Hamas camp


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  • #517
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    JC01 wrote: »
    How do you think anybody can justify murdering children? Where exactly did I try to do that? And I'm Irish by the way. Just because there are a few rallies popping up around the place doesn't mean the whole country is in the pro-Hamas camp

    if you bothered to go to one of the rallies and spoke to the people there you would find out that they are not "pro Hamas" they are anti child murder.


  • #518
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    The IDF occasionally use unacceptable terrorist means to achieve legitimate goals.



    Meanwhile in Hell: Joseph Goebbels cried tears of joy.


  • #519
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Five Latin American countries withdraw envoys from Israel:

    "El Salvador on Wednesday became the fifth Latin American country to withdraw its ambassador from Israel in protest at Israel's military offensive in Gaza.

    Brazil, Chile, Ecuador and Peru have already recalled their ambassadors."

    So much for the all moral all caring about people and stuff "west" taking the lead in such actions. it appears the Latin Americans some of them anyway have the boll0x and will to do the right thing and are doing that for "us". fair play to them.

    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.


  • #520
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Gotta love Russell Brand - Fox News Hannity dissected, sounds like boards discussions

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_m98GAdqKM

    The comment section as usual was also awash with enlightened,reasoned and erudite thinking.


  • #521
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.

    Well at least it's a show of solidarity to the Palestinian people. Which is more than what the morally bankrupt President Barrack 'Hope' & 'Change' Obama has done.


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  • #522
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    America should hang their heads in shame funding these atrocities.


  • #523
    Phonehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭Phonehead


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.

    Well at least when future generations look back on this dark period Brazillians can feel that they made their feelings known. The truth is that only the US can stop this but it doesn't mean that every nation should ignore what's happening.


  • #524
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.

    And your point is what exactly? ..do you have a point.. or is it just a disparaging comment on your behalf.


  • #525
    Joshua J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.

    A member of the US war machine denigrating a countries call for peace. How surprising. Maybe Brazil shoulda jumped in and shot the place up. At least those at home would call them heroes.


  • #526
    sid waddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.
    Support for systematic mass murder is bad enough on its own without you also trying to make fun of those who speak out against it.


  • #527
    JC01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭JC01


    bumper234 wrote: »
    if you bothered to go to one of the rallies and spoke to the people there you would find out that they are not "pro Hamas" they are anti child murder.

    No they will generally identify as anti-Isreali. Ina war between two sides when your against one you are generally for another. And a LOT of these people havnt the first clue about war either. They'll scream from the rooftops about genocidal Zionist murderers with literally not the slightest inkling of what things are like in a war zone. Tragically something like 1200 people have died in the last few weeks. Go look at the numbers in any actual genocide or war and you'll see that amount of people perish in an hour. By the measure of the capabilities the IDF are being very restrained yet are still called monsters. No body can get there heads around the fact that people die in warzones, especially highly populated urban ones, at an alarming rate be them man/woman/soldier/militant/medic/reporter or child


    Apologies if I come across as ranting at you I'm particular but some of the utter tripe posted in this thread makes my blood boil.


  • #528
    Dublin Red Devil
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    What can be done to stop Israel? Nobody is going to engage in military action against them. So what can the UN actually do to stop them? As long as the US are providing them with billions of dollars a year in military aid. They have no reason to back down.


  • #529
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.
    Well it's pissed of Israel so it must be a step in the right direction. What do you want Brazil to do, launch an massive invasion?


  • #530
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    bumper234 wrote: »
    if you bothered to go to one of the rallies and spoke to the people there you would find out that they are not "pro Hamas" they are anti child murder.

    Absolutely 100% correct.

    For anyone wishing to attend upcoming events around the country showing solidarity for the Palestinian people, the link is below.

    Upcoming Palestinian Solidarity Events


  • #531
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.

    tis a start, if only the US would take their head out of Israel's arse, then there could be movement on a solution


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  • #532
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    There will be no peace when Hamas say they will stop their actions once the blockade is lifted, if the blockade is lifted it opens up Gaza to receive even more deadlier weapons and Israel will not stand for that.

    The best chance for peace was when Rabin ruled Israel and when Hamas didn't rule Gaza.


  • #533
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.

    It's long past time when Ireland should send the Israeli Ambassador home and have their embassy shut down. I called for it on a thread here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58548639 five years ago and the situation is far more serious this time out. There's no point in saying why should anybody care about the actions of a tiny country on the edge of Europe does, it's time it was done on moral grounds and if not we should run up the stars and stripes and join the USA. As I have already stated, I am pro-Israel but not prepared to back them with this sort of insane, criminal behaviour. They produce little or nothing that we can boycott so why not chuck out the ambassador and his staff.


  • #534
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    That'll show 'em. The Palestinian people are now hugely grateful that the Brazillian ambassador has returned to Brasilia. All will be well, now.

    It means israel is generating ever massive amounts of ill will. America won't always be a dominant power.


  • #535
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    JC01 wrote: »
    No they will generally identify as anti-Isreali. Ina war between two sides when your against one you are generally for another. And a LOT of these people havnt the first clue about war either. They'll scream from the rooftops about genocidal Zionist murderers with literally not the slightest inkling of what things are like in a war zone. Tragically something like 1200 people have died in the last few weeks. Go look at the numbers in any actual genocide or war and you'll see that amount of people perish in an hour. By the measure of the capabilities the IDF are being very restrained yet are still called monsters. No body can get there heads around the fact that people die in warzones, especially highly populated urban ones, at an alarming rate be them man/woman/soldier/militant/medic/reporter or child


    Apologies if I come across as ranting at you I'm particular but some of the utter tripe posted in this thread makes my blood boil.

    I'm afraid I'm unaware of the statistics you cite. Is 1200 people/hr the statistical median for all wars and what constitutes a war for it to be included in the calculation. Is this figure higher for what might be deemed genocidal wars? Could you please define what you mean by genocide and also whether genocide is in your opinion only the result of armed conflict or can it be also the result of genocidal policies such as the deliberation starvation and sterilization of a population? Finally is there a defined period over which the required decimation of a population must occur to afford it the title of genocide. I ask you these questions because you seem quite knowledgeable about this subject,maybe because you have experience of combat situations yourself?,and I, like you, am dismayed by the level of discourse on this subject.


  • #536
    Wild_Dogger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Wild_Dogger


    jank wrote: »
    There is nothing stopping Egypt from opening its borders to Gaza but they like Israel brand Hamas as a terrorist organisation and have banned them.

    That sentence alone shows that you know nothing about Egypt and who governs the crossing


  • #537
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    Are there any charities working actively in Palestine right now? Ones worth donating to?


  • #538
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    It means israel is generating ever massive amounts of ill will. America won't always be a dominant power.

    The US is not a dominant power under Obama.

    His foreign policy has been an even bigger disaster than George W Bush's.

    Supported the Arab spring - mostly failed.
    Gaddafi dead but Libya so dangerous now that only last week evacuations of foreign nationals was taking place.
    Mubarak was removed, replaced by the Muslim brotherhood whom were aligned to Hamas, so the army had a coup to remove 'terrorists'.
    Iraq - took the army out, now replaced in some parts by ISIS, Christians in Iraq have been fleeing for their lives, France has offered asylum to thousands of Iraqi Christians, FGM for the females who have to live under ISIS.
    Russia and Putin know how to play Obama.
    Syria - Obama backed the wrong side given again terrorists were fighting Assad including ISIS, and Russia was not going to let Syria be attacked by the west.

    Then we know the US was hacking phones of international leaders.
    Wikileaks exposed a lot.

    Combined the US is very weak on the international stage.
    John Kerry is unable to influence anyone either.

    Obama is unable to do anything to stop the war between Gaza and Israel.
    He lacks influence with Israel and Hamas. Neither care what he has to say.


  • #539
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    Good to see opinion turning against America over this mess. They've really conducted themselves poorly. I think people are finally awakening to the monster that they are (well their government) myself included.


  • #540
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    What can be done to stop Israel? Nobody is going to engage in military action against them. So what can the UN actually do to stop them? As long as the US are providing them with billions of dollars a year in military aid. They have no reason to back down.

    Without America nothing can be done and the UN is toothless. As long as a golden circle and its privileged powers of veto continues. Other member's of the UN shall remain irrelevant. As long as Bibi has America and its military stormtroopers behind him, he can do as he pleases. We are well into the 21st century and it's high time the UN was dragged into it also. Abolishing the elite club of the Security Council and allowing the will of the majority to prevail over the old boys club, would certainly be a huge step in the right direction. It would allow the world to act, regardless of what the US, Russian, British, French or Chinese vested interests are.


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  • #541
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    It's a pity Anonymous aren't about these days to do a bit of hacking.


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