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Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

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  • #4592
    Gosub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Gosub


    It's a bit harsh criticizing drivers for their driving here. I returned to Spain for a couple of weeks recently. I had forgotten how badly the Spanish drive. On 2 lane roundabouts the only line is the 'racing' line and trucks WILL go round the roundabout in the outside lane taking the 3rd exit. Disaster is often only averted by a hair. Indicating off the roundabout is very rare and speed must be maintained throughout the process.

    Taking your time passing on a motorway is not an option. You will have your mirrors filled with flashing indicators and headlights... just inches from your back bumper.

    Let's give ourselves a break. We're not perfect, but nobody is. We're better than most. (IMHO of course) As long as we avoid the dangerous stuff, we're OK.


  • #4593
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,683 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    celticbest wrote: »
    Looks can be deceiving as I definitely did, I made sure I did.

    I can only comment on what I see, unfortunately.
    Other than that there is nothing in the video that surprises me tbh.

    OT:
    Someone few posts before asked what was the legal situation when it comes to dash cam recordings in a court. This only shows how unconclusive these are.

    Some say the camera makes it look closer than it actually is (when the poster is accused of tailgating), others claim the car was closer than it looks (in case of pulling out/changing lanes etc).

    This all reminds me of the discussion on the video replays in soccer games:D


  • #4594
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭celticbest


    vectra wrote: »
    The part i find funny on celticbest's video is where it was pointed out that the bmw driver never indicated when changing lanes.

    Rarely do I see people indicating when doing this.
    Why would you expect him to?

    :eek:I hope your joking, but this will explain it if your not,

    ROTRPAGE85_zps93d1e4fb.jpg


  • #4595
    joujoujou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
    Unregistered Users


    D'Agger wrote: »
    Probably not worth it's own thread but will open if people here think I should [...]
    Too late - thread is here already.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056815237

    :)


  • #4596
    rocky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭rocky


    Jeez, people posting vids here would want thicker skin, if you're afraid what other people may say about your driving, don't post.


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  • #4597
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,690 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    celticbest wrote: »
    :eek:I hope your joking, but this will explain it if your not,


    Blah. Blah, Blah.

    I do know the rules of the road.

    But how many times have you seen drivers actually indicate to return to the inside lane.


  • #4598
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭celticbest


    vectra wrote: »
    Blah. Blah, Blah.

    I do know the rules of the road.

    But how many times have you seen drivers actually indicate to return to the inside lane.

    It might be different in Cork but in Dublin I would say the majority of people...


  • #4599
    jameshayes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,741 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    AFAIK its only the rules of the road that say you have to indicate, I think the road traffic act just mentions the requirement to have indicators present.

    IMO, you only need to indicate when it will be of benefit to other road users, in the instance above - what benefit would it have been? The driver with the cam would/should not have been planning an undertake...


  • #4600
    Synode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    So before indicating you have to make an assessment of whether or not it will be of benefit to anyone. Crazy. If you're changing lanes, indicate. Simple as


  • #4601
    Bio Mech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭Bio Mech


    Synode wrote: »
    So before indicating you have to make an assessment of whether or not it will be of benefit to anyone. Crazy. If you're changing lanes, indicate. Simple as

    Yes but you see some people would rather argue pedantics on the internet than have to flick a lever with their finger. The rules of the road doesn't say they have to you know. Never mind safety and consideration.


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  • #4602
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    jameshayes wrote: »
    AFAIK its only the rules of the road that say you have to indicate, I think the road traffic act just mentions the requirement to have indicators present.

    IMO, you only need to indicate when it will be of benefit to other road users, in the instance above - what benefit would it have been? The driver with the cam would/should not have been planning an undertake...

    Why would you not indicate every time?


  • #4603
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭celticbest


    jameshayes wrote: »
    AFAIK its only the rules of the road that say you have to indicate, I think the road traffic act just mentions the requirement to have indicators present.

    IMO, you only need to indicate when it will be of benefit to other road users, in the instance above - what benefit would it have been? The driver with the cam would/should not have been planning an undertake...

    The Road Traffic Act 1963 Section 49 Paragraph 3 states the following,

    RTA1963_zps7e6e2510.jpg

    I would read this as 'when changing direction for whatever reason indicators are required to be used'


  • #4604
    The Dagda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭The Dagda


    celticbest wrote: »
    The Road Traffic Act 1963 Section 49 Paragraph 3 states the following,

    RTA1963_zps7e6e2510.jpg

    I would read this as 'when changing direction for whatever reason indicators are required to be used'

    It could be argued that moving from one lane to another is not "a change of direction".

    You're still travelling in the same "direction".


  • #4605
    celticbest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭celticbest


    The Dagda wrote: »
    It could be argued that moving from one lane to another is not "a change of direction".

    You're still travelling in the same "direction".

    Tell a judge that if your brought to court, very unlikely I know, but I say the judge would laugh and hand you a fine.


  • #4606
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,798 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Now that I think about it, it could be good to get into a habit of indicating only if it will benefit someone else rather than just doing it automatically like a droid.

    If you always have to check before you indicate you're going to be more road aware than someone who does it automatically and may not check.


  • #4607
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    josip wrote: »
    Now that I think about it, it could be good to get into a habit of indicating only if it will benefit someone else rather than just doing it automatically like a droid.

    If you always have to check before you indicate you're going to be more road aware than someone who does it automatically and may not check.

    When I learned it was mirror,signal,mirror,manoeuvre every time.


  • #4608
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    gutteruu wrote: »
    No, deliberately I assume. Every RSA ad ever made shows a 20 year old male killing numerous people. Never any ads showing the old woman driving wrong way down a motorway though. Their chairman is a pensioner who drove 50 years without taking a test. They really need to get over their obsession with young males and drink driving.


    Young male drivers need to get over their obsession with speed, drinking and Gay Byrne.

    gutteruu wrote: »
    I see 2 problem groups.

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    It depends on how you define the problem.

    The above graph, without reference to its broader context, is potentially misleading.

    The higher risk of fatality among older drivers is mainly due to age-related susceptibility to injury and to a greater likelihood of complications during post-crash medical treatment, rather than because of an increased tendency to get involved in collisions.

    In contrast, "crash over-involvement" is the major factor contributing to the higher risk of death among drivers younger than 20, accounting for more than 95% of their elevated death rates per per vehicle-mile of travel. Source: http://www.jefftk.com/files/fragility.pdf
    Much of the public concern about older drivers has to do with perceptions that older drivers are imperiling not only themselves but other people. This concern is not substantiated by this study, which found that crash over-involvement was a minor problem except among the oldest drivers. Furthermore, other data shows that older drivers hit few pedestrians and when older drivers do collide with other vehicles, they are far more likely to die than the occupants of the other vehicles.

    In broad terms, young male drivers are physically healthier and more robust than older drivers generally, yet are more likely to kill themselves (and others) by their driving.

    George Bernard Shaw was right.


  • #4609
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    Synode wrote: »
    So before indicating you have to make an assessment of whether or not it will be of benefit to anyone. Crazy. If you're changing lanes, indicate. Simple as

    Before changing lanes, you should know whether there is anyone behind you or not, either in your current lane or your target lane. You should know how far away they are, and what speed they are doing, and roughly how long it will take them to get to you.

    Therefore, you have already made the assessment of whether or not it will be of benefit to anyone.


  • #4610
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,798 ✭✭✭✭josip


    RustyNut wrote: »
    When I learned it was mirror,signal,mirror,manoeuvre every time.

    Me too. Do you still do that now, every time?
    Up to 10% of the time I'd skip one of the first 3.
    Is it not better to apply things situationally, rather than having a set of rules?

    When changing to an outer lane on the motorway, I usually give a glance over my shoulder to check if anything is in my blind spot, “the lifesaver” although I’m in a car.
    Where does “glance” fit into “mirror,signal,mirror,manoeuvre”?


  • #4611
    Synode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Before changing lanes, you should know whether there is anyone behind you or not, either in your current lane or your target lane. You should know how far away they are, and what speed they are doing, and roughly how long it will take them to get to you.

    Therefore, you have already made the assessment of whether or not it will be of benefit to anyone.

    I always indicate, even if nobody is around. It's a habit. My OH doesn't and argues what's the point if there's nobody around. I know which of us has forgotten more times to indicate when turning off roundabouts etc and have rightly gotten grief - her.


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  • #4612
    kingtut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭kingtut


    Synode wrote: »
    I always indicate, even if nobody is around. It's a habit. My OH doesn't and argues what's the point if there's nobody around. I know which of us has forgotten more times to indicate when turning off roundabouts etc and have rightly gotten grief - her.

    I'm the same, I ALWAYS indicate, yes it may appear as though nobody is around but you never know what is around the next corner etc.

    Not indicating is highly dangerous and also idiotic!

    Having people suddenly swing into your lane without indicating is a common occurence and it pisses me off!


  • #4613
    kingtut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭kingtut


    celticbest wrote: »
    It might be different in Cork but in Dublin I would say the majority of people...

    As someone who drives between Dublin and Cork every single week I find that the vast majority do not indicate when switching lanes.


  • #4614
    gutteruu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭gutteruu


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    The above graph, without reference to its broader context, is potentially misleading.

    But the RSA refuse to differentiate between the type of accidents. It is just "road deaths". So it would be safe to assume that most cycling deaths are younger people. Pedestrian deaths in cities would be more younger. More young people per car when in an accident. There are loads of factors and no stat without all the info is correct.

    My problem is the RSA couldn't give a flying f**k about research or targeting problem areas. Its just the same old ****e of drink,speed and young people. Totalling ignoring everything else.
    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Young male drivers need to get over their obsession with speed, drinking and Gay Byrne.

    I am in my mid 30's. I'm "obsessed" because I had 3 old people drive the wrong way down a motorway at me in the last 5 years alone. I do about 40k miles per year and everyday I spend dodging old people oblivious to the world around them. Also, there is clear evidence the drink driving issue is an older generation problem and Gay Byrne is the RSA.


  • #4615
    Xennon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Xennon


    Do you perhaps mean the reverse there? Inside lane is on your left, outside on right.

    yeh....ye get the picture anyway :)


  • #4616
    IP freely
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭IP freely


    BohsCeltic wrote: »
    I didn't beep and i didn't slam on the brakes either

    Sounds and looks like ya did! Also accelerating away at full pelt though did cure all the wrongdoings!

    Judging by this dashcam I'd not like to meet either of ye on the road, ya need to learn to take a chill pill ya seem to get geed up over nout. ;)


  • #4617
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    josip wrote: »
    Me too. Do you still do that now, every time?
    Up to 10% of the time I'd skip one of the first 3.
    Is it not better to apply things situationally, rather than having a set of rules?

    When changing to an outer lane on the motorway, I usually give a glance over my shoulder to check if anything is in my blind spot, “the lifesaver” although I’m in a car.
    Where does “glance” fit into “mirror,signal,mirror,manoeuvre”?

    I try to do it every time, each step has saved me at one stage or another.

    I agree on the lifesavers whatever your driving, too easy to miss stuff in a mirror.


  • #4618
    Bigcheeze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Bigcheeze


    Well after watching these videos, I'm never driving on Xmas day again! :eek:


  • #4619
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    wonski wrote: »
    I can only comment on what I see, unfortunately.
    Other than that there is nothing in the video that surprises me tbh.

    OT:
    Someone few posts before asked what was the legal situation when it comes to dash cam recordings in a court. This only shows how unconclusive these are.

    Some say the camera makes it look closer than it actually is (when the poster is accused of tailgating), others claim the car was closer than it looks (in case of pulling out/changing lanes etc).

    This all reminds me of the discussion on the video replays in soccer games:D

    Probably only really useful for showing traffic light colors and failure to yields TBH


  • #4620
    dashcamdanny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭dashcamdanny


    Cabaal wrote: »
    I'd like to see a refresher test every 10 years for everyone,

    Even if its just theory that people have to pass again it would make people aware of what road markings are for! Some amount of people still don't know what a yellow box is for.

    They can't even police the L drivers we have already.

    Ireland.
    The only country in the world that you can drive to the test center, fail your test , then hop back into your car and drive home. :pac:


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  • #4621
    kingtut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭kingtut


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Even if its just theory that people have to pass again it would make people aware of what road markings are for! Some amount of people still don't know what a yellow box is for.

    To be honest I don't think it would prove to be very useful.
    I believe the vast majority know what a yellow box, indicators and cycle lanes etc are for, people are just ignorant though and ignore them.

    If the above was actually policed and people were fined / warned then it might help.


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