Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

dav3 · 28-07-2014 03:47PM

The Israeli propaganda machine makes the Americans and Russians look like amateurs. They either flat out deny, or try to justify their war crimes every time.

It's disappointing that the media are actually giving them any air time.

Manic Moran · 28-07-2014 03:48PM

Warper wrote: »

They actually have just come out and said that. Pure evil

Assuming this is referencing the school. No, they said it was a possibility. And it was entirely possible given the makeshift and rapid setup of many of the launches. However, The Israelis have since acknowledged that it was one of their mortar rounds which fell short. Also entirely reasonable. Indeed, the sardonic term we use for artillerymen is "dropshorts"

mickstupp · 28-07-2014 03:49PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Hmmmmmmm

Kids killed in a playground, hospital shelled = Israeli apologists falling silent.

Oh please. They were clearly dwarf terrorists hiding bazookas in their shorts and grenades in their lunch boxes. They voted Hamas in and therefore they deserved everything they got. I'm totally siding with I Heart Internet on this one and claiming my dwarf thesis is a fact. I thought it up in my brain and it's my opinion and therefore a fact and damned if I'll provide any evidence.

listermint · 28-07-2014 03:55PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Assuming this is referencing the school. No, they said it was a possibility. And it was entirely possible given the makeshift and rapid setup of many of the launches. However, The Israelis have since acknowledged that it was one of their mortar rounds which fell short. Also entirely reasonable. Indeed, the sardonic term we use for artillerymen is "dropshorts"

Excusing the Military Terms and slightly jingoistic nature of that response. There isnt really anything that is 'entirely reasonable' about a shell falling short into a school.

Shells should not be falling anywhere near schools or hospitals.

And we are supposed to believe the IDF is the nuturing army ? targeted weapons and super smart technologies coupled with the worlds most intelligent information network, They always get their guy.

Peist2007 · 28-07-2014 03:57PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Everyone's belief's impact their opinions.

But the second sentence does not reflect my thinking at all. Not even close.

For the record, Muslims ARE NOT BAD. They are exactly like the rest of the world.

I have a very simple question for you: why is the gathering of clear and irrefutable evidence important to you when 800 babies are found in a slurry tank in Tuam but the same type of evidence is not so important when the evidence of Israelis bombing schools and hospitals is laid before you?

Manic Moran · 28-07-2014 04:00PM

listermint wrote: »

Excusing the Military Terms and slightly jingoistic nature of that response. There isnt really anything that is 'entirely reasonable' about a shell falling short into a school.

Shells should not be falling anywhere near schools or hospitals.

And we are supposed to believe the IDF is the nuturing army ? targeted weapons and super smart technologies coupled with the worlds most intelligent information network, They always get their guy.

They shouldn't be, no. Militaries tend not to like rounds which fall short, as usually on a line between the launch point and the target, there are friendly troops. However, every now and then, there's something which goes wrong, a round falls short, and that's that. Today's munitions are very accurate (in historical terms). As long as they work according to specification, that is.

listermint · 28-07-2014 04:02PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

They shouldn't be, no. Militaries tend not to like rounds which fall short, as usually on a line between the launch point and the target, there are friendly troops. However, every now and then, there's something which goes wrong, a round falls short, and that's that. Today's munitions are very accurate (in historical terms). As long as they work according to specification, that is.

So in short shells should not be used in this context, as its a neighbourhood not a battlefield.

But Israel dont have the gumption to send in ground troops to achieve their aim as it would not be accepted losses by their own people.

So large scale losses of innocents are preferred.

WakeUp · 28-07-2014 04:03PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Supposedly, the point is that the people can get out, but they won't be able to take more than light arms or a laptop with them. Heavy weapons, detailed plans etc would be lost with the building.

What you're saying here doesn't really add up though. The Israeli government line is that they are targeting militants and warning civilians. but how can you both target and warn someone that doesn't make any sense .really what they are doing is blowing sh1t up and killing civilians in the process - the militants assuming they were there have gone. why would detailed plans be lost with the building? What do you mean by that and what sort of heavy weapons are you talking about? When they are taking out houses/apts -with the militants already gone - they are levelling entire blocks and other peoples homes too not just the intended target in lots of cases with people still in those houses/apts. and then when they actually get a militant clearly they didn't get a warning so what about the civilians caught up in that. when you take apart the official line and contrast it with what is actually happening, it doesn't add up.

tayto lover · 28-07-2014 04:04PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

No. It doesn't.

Any deliberate targeting of children and other non-combatants is reprehensible.

Good. So how do you explain it happening so so often?

NotASheeple · 28-07-2014 04:09PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Israel has a right to defend itself. It is being too aggressive in this particular instance, but it has a right to defend itself.

The same tired old deluded nonsense. It would be laughable, but the deaths of children and civilians isn't a laughing matter.

Tony EH · 28-07-2014 04:12PM

fta93 wrote: »

I'm sure that hospital unit the IDF just bombed was a huge threat alright.

You see, this is the thing that observers of this conflict are scrutinising and many are coming to a particular conclusion.

If the main target of the IDF are Hamas, and they would be, the extremely minimal nature of the damage they are doing to that organisation (in fact one could say that they are strengthening it) and the outrageous amount of death they are causing to innocent Palestinian civilians and the people's infrastructure, including schools, hospitals, streets and all with precision armaments that are available to them and that they boast about...

...must mean that the death of Palestinian civilians is an acceptable secondary outcome.

RustyNut · 28-07-2014 04:14PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The world has. It's encouraged both sides to stop firing.

If both sides did that, people would stop dying.

If the side killing the most baby's stopped killing baby's then most baby killing would stop.

comongethappy · 28-07-2014 04:26PM

RustyNut wrote: »

If the side killing the most baby's stopped killing baby's then most baby killing would stop.

Iron-clad baby logic right there!

LorMal · 28-07-2014 04:32PM

Tony EH wrote: »

If it's a fact, then produce the fact that forms your opinion.

If you cannot, then it's a baseless opinion.

What's your problem with the statement? Are you saying that Hamas are NOT a fundamentalist Islamic organisation with stated aims to destroy Israel? Or that they want to impose Sharia Law?

RustyNut · 28-07-2014 04:36PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Iron-clad baby logic right there!

Which side kills most babys?

Tony EH · 28-07-2014 04:37PM

LorMal wrote: »

What's your problem with the statement? Are you saying that Hamas are NOT a fundamentalist Islamic organisation with stated aims to destroy Israel? Or that they want to impose Sharia Law?

I would say that my problem is very clear.

Saying that you believe your opinion is a fact, without producing any facts to support your opinion is a pointless exercise.

And, something that's also been pointed out, just because an organisation shares some goals with another organisation, it doesn't mean that they are allied.

LorMal · 28-07-2014 04:39PM

Tony EH wrote: »

I would say that my problem is very clear.

Saying that you believe your opinion is a fact, without producing any facts to support your opinion is a pointless exercise.

And, something that's also been pointed out, just because an organisation shares some goals with another organisation, it doesn't mean that they are allied.

I think the poster was emphasising that they share aims and methods. I imagine they receive their arms and funding from the same sources.
We can support the Palestinains and condemn Israel without supporting these morons.

Tony EH · 28-07-2014 04:41PM

No, the poster was saying that they allied.

Without any factual evidence to back up such an assertion, it remains a baseless opinion.

Also, imagination has no place in a serious discussion.

There is nothing to suggested that ISIS are aiding HAMAS in any way.

Gringo180 · 28-07-2014 04:42PM

Israel is the biggest evil in the world. A terrorist state ran by a bunch of physchopaths!

WakeUp · 28-07-2014 04:44PM

Residents of Gaza City gather leaflets dropped into the streets by the Israeli military on Monday. Thousands of pieces of white paper listed the names of members of Hamas and its allies who Israel claims to have killed since its offensive began. The leaflets say that the names listed are "those who thought they could face the might of the Israeli Defence Forces"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/28/israel-military-leaflets-gaza-city-hamas-killed-battle-video

Clearly civilians, hospitals,schools, houses..are no match at all for the mighty men of the IDF. a blatant attempt to intimidate and frighten the civilian population. pathetic.

LorMal · 28-07-2014 04:44PM

Tony EH wrote: »

No, the poster was saying that they allied.

Without any factual evidence to back up such an assertion, it remains a baseless opinion.

Also, imagination has no place in a serious discussion.

There is nothing to suggested that ISIS are aiding HAMAS in any way.

I agree they are not allied. But he is right about motivations and methods.

Nodin · 28-07-2014 04:44PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Israel is the biggest evil in the world.!

Not really.

Gringo180 wrote: »

A terrorist state ran by a bunch of physchopaths!

Certainly were an other state to do what it does - from the assassination of Iranian scientists, to its programme of colonisation - it would earn that label.

Tony EH · 28-07-2014 05:02PM

LorMal wrote: »

I agree they are not allied. But he is right about motivations and methods.

Not necessarily.

However, HAMAS were actively fighting against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the latter half of the 2000's, as they were no friend of theirs, and since ISIS are a splinter group off of Al Qaeda, it's reasonable that they aren't too fond of them either.

If HAMAS and ISIS are to be considered "allies", because they have some overlapping goals, then the US and Al Nusra Front (also Al Qaeda splinters) can be consider "allies" too, as they share overlapping goals in Syria.

It's a yardstick that becomes a stick to beat oneself (or at least ones position) with very quickly.

LorMal · 28-07-2014 05:14PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Not necessarily.

However, HAMAS were actively fighting against Al Qaeda in Iraq in the latter half of the 2000's, as they were no friend of theirs, and since ISIS are a splinter group off of Al Qaeda, it's reasonable that they aren't too fond of them either.

If HAMAS and ISIS are to be considered "allies", because they have some overlapping goals, then the US and Al Nusra Front (also Al Qaeda splinters) can be consider "allies" too, as they share overlapping goals in Syria.

It's a yardstick that becomes a stick to beat oneself (or at least ones position) with very quickly.

I said they were not allied. Both are Islamic Fundementalist Organisations who are partial to a bit of the aul terrorism.

My name is URL · 28-07-2014 05:19PM

WakeUp wrote: »

The leaflets say that the names listed are "those who thought they could face the might of the Israeli Defence Forces"

They wouldn't be that mighty if the US wasn't funding them billions per year and vetoing UN resolutions condemning their military's actions.

They're like a schoolyard bully whose dad happens to be principal.

Nodin · 28-07-2014 05:19PM

LorMal wrote: »

I said they were not allied. Both are Islamic Fundementalist Organisations who are partial to a bit of the aul terrorism.

....well that's hardly an unique characteristic in the region, nor is it much different from what Israel does, albeit on a far lower budget.

wp_rathead · 28-07-2014 05:22PM

Even Sky News (who been pretty sympathetic to the Isrealis) distances itself from IDF after they posted a story out of context
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Memnoch · 28-07-2014 05:51PM

jank wrote: »

A few things. Israel could if it wanted to eradicate the Palestinian people but choose not to. Therefore your claim is false.
Hamas as a political organisation wants to kill not only Israelis but all Jews. The preach genocide.
Israeli has Arabs and Muslims in their parliament, therefore it is wrong to compare Hamas and Israel as the same.

I find it tiresome when people are obviously and intentionally disingenuous in their arguments. You might think that you are fooling someone and scoring points but you only undermine your own position and legitimacy in the eyes of other posters by resorting to such tactics.

I say this because you are neither stupid nor naieve enough to have not gotten the point of what I said and the obvious flaw in your response.

Israel may have the physical capability to wipe the Palestinians out in one fell swoop, however, anyone with even half a brain cell would know (as I'm sure you do, and they do) that they would not get away with this. Even the U.S. could not protect them. So they are doing it slowly and with calculated cynicism. Eating up land inch by inch, all under the guise of 'security.'

When was the last time Hamas actually said they wanted to wipe out Israel? As far as I'm aware they are willing to accept a negotiated peace, and I'd be willing to bet anything that if the offer on the table was a fair and equitable division of the land, say along the borders drawn by the UN in 1967, they would shake your hand on it tomorrow. Israel though? I doubt very much.

The difference between Hamas and Israel is that Israel have technology, weapons and immunity from censure for their despicable behaviour.

Also. Israel are much better at PR. ("We don't mean to kill civilians, we don't engage in collective punishment. It's all just collateral damage.")

It's actions that count, not words. And Israel's indiscriminate destruction of the gaza strip and killing of civilians reveals the truth of their intentions.

beta maximum · 28-07-2014 05:56PM

Maybe the guy should do the five nights in the war zone.

Tail Docker · 28-07-2014 06:01PM

bumper234 wrote: »

When you bring this level of destruction to city streets then you can be positive innocent civilians will die. How is it that the IDF can look at a group of men using a drone and tell exactly what weapons they are carrying but cannot tell the difference between grown men firing rockets and children playing? Men carrying guns and women and children on a rooftop?

If you have ever watched footage from US Apache helicopter gunships in Iraq, you will know that calling for the US to rein in Israel is a waste of time. I viewed footage of US door-gunners machine-gunning journalists, then machine gunning the civilians that came to their aid. So, no better.

The term "Terrorists" has become a catch all for acting the cnut against Civilians. So now, Israel is taking on the "Terrorists", the ones with "weapons of mass destruction". We learn from our teachers, Israel has learnt well.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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