Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

Nodin · 28-07-2014 02:42PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

ISIS and Hamas are allies. That is my opinion. You may take it as fact or not.

An opinion without basis in fact. A fiction. A lie.

WakeUp · 28-07-2014 02:42PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It is my opinion that it is a fact.

As for my opinion on Israel blowing up homes. It's very sad. I would love if it wasn't happening.

I suspect, the Israeli Army's reason for notifying inhabitants beforehand is to reduce civilian causalities, while at the same time seeking to destroy buildings used by terrorists. I guess the intent is to demolish buildings used by terrorists in the hope of turning the bulk of Gaza against Hamas...I don't think it really works though, although it does reduce the number of civilian deaths (as opposed to an unannounced missile strike).

In fairness you're entitled to your opinion though that doesn't make it fact. Until you provide evidence backing up you're assertion that Hamas and Isis are allies - which is a serious allegation - it really should be struck from the record and labeled hearsay nothing more. from a personal point of view consider it so.

As I suspected the intent is to demolish buildings knowing full well the bad guys won't be there making the official fable , as that's what it is , well, a fable. thanks for replying to me.

Peist2007 · 28-07-2014 02:43PM

jank wrote: »

I don't agree with the settlements either but building settlements does not kill people as you tried to claim. Where is the proof that Israel want to kill all Paletinaisns?

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I said the Israelis want all of that area ofd land to themselves. If the Palestinians leave then all well and good. The Palestinians that stay are having their lives made hell. Look at it like a form of constructive dismissal.

Although your above question could easily be answered by events of the past week. Lobbing bombs indiscriminately on people who cannot defend themselves. There's no "dome" over Gaza City. Disgusting actions by the Israeli government.

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 02:43PM

Tony EH wrote: »

If it's a fact, then produce the fact that forms your opinion.

If you cannot, then it's a baseless opinion.

As I've said, they share many of the same goals, motivations and methodologies. That is why I have formed the opinion that they are allies.

For ISIS it is, according to them, only a matter of timing before they take on Israel. They are keen to destroy life for Muslims, Christians and other religious minorities in several other countries in the Middle East first, then they'll formally turn their attention to helping out their chums in Hamas.

wp_rathead · 28-07-2014 02:44PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It is my opinion that it is a fact.

ffs if anything sums up the internet it is this above sentence

An opinion is not a fact.
A fact is a fact.
You can have an opinion based on facts.
You cannot have facts based on an opinion..

listermint · 28-07-2014 02:44PM

Movementarian wrote: »

I have to say that some of this stuff on this thread would drive me to posting...oh wait it has!

It seems to be the case that you can't criticise Israel's actions without automatically becoming a Hamas supporter.

Does nobody think it odd that a militant Islamist, thoroughly dislikeable group like Hamas are gaining international sympathy? How bad do your actions have to be to sway public opinion away from you on onto them?

Do Israel have a right to defend themselves? Absolutely. Should all common sense regarding proportionality apply? Absolutely.

Say for example my house was being shot at from an apartment block across the street, from the window of 1 flat among the 30 or so.
Would I be right to defend by family from being shot at? Yes.
Would I be right to defend them by blowing up an apartment block that I knew was full of other families just to kill that one person in the one flat? I don't know any sane person that would say yes.

Bear in mind that nobody had actually been killed or even injured by Hamas rocket fire at the time of their response so the issue of proportionality does indeed arise.

Do I agree with or support Hamas? No.
But it is obvious to me that as long as Israel continues in this vein then you will have many grieving and angry family members and friends who will join their ranks to avenge their loved ones deaths. I know I would

In this scenario, the IDF would deem is acceptable for you to go down with a welder and bar up all the bottom doors, bar up all the windows on any of the floors with windows on them. And place Soldiers on the entrys and exits to stop any of the people getting supplies such as wood for example which the guy in Flat 1 could use to make bullets to shoot you with.

Seems Legit.

Peist2007 · 28-07-2014 02:45PM

end of the road wrote: »

withdraw the claim that isis and hamas are allies

Every single one of I Heart Internet's opinions on any subject are clouded by his/her own beliefs. This is a war between Christians and Muslims. Muslins are bad, ya know?

Nodin · 28-07-2014 02:45PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

As I've said, they share many of the same goals, motivations and methodologies. That is why I have formed the opinion that they are allies.

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Bollocks. You were caught out in a lie, and you've thrown in this 'my opinion' cack to avoid doing the right thing and withdrawing the remark.

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 02:45PM

Nodin wrote: »

An opinion without basis in fact. A fiction. A lie.

Maybe Israel is making me lie? They're making Hamas fire rockets, so who knows what they're capable of.

hju6 · 28-07-2014 02:46PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

ISIS and Hamas are allies. That is my opinion. You may take it as fact or not.

Netanyahu: Hamas is like ISIS, al Qaeda

Even the big boss doesn't go so far to say they are allies, and you are more enlightened than Netanyahu ?

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/netanyahu-hamas-is-like-isis-al-qaeda/

RustyNut · 28-07-2014 02:46PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It is my opinion that it is a fact.

HA HA HA HA HA.

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 02:47PM

wprathead wrote: »

ffs if anything sums up the internet it is this above sentence

An opinion is not a fact.
A fact is a fact.
You can have an opinion based on facts.
You cannot have facts based on an opinion..

I dunno, that's just one person's opinion.

Nodin · 28-07-2014 02:48PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Maybe Israel is making me lie? They're making Hamas fire rockets, so who knows what they're capable of.

~Irrelevant crap. You were caught out in a lie. Why is it a lie instead of a mistake? Because you were asked multiple times by multiple posters to back it up, never did and instead of doing the right thing and withdrawing it, kept repeating it.

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 02:49PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Every single one of I Heart Internet's opinions on any subject are clouded by his/her own beliefs. This is a war between Christians and Muslims. Muslins are bad, ya know?

Everyone's belief's impact their opinions.

But the second sentence does not reflect my thinking at all. Not even close.

For the record, Muslims ARE NOT BAD. They are exactly like the rest of the world.

blackwhite · 28-07-2014 02:50PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

As I've said, they share many of the same goals, motivations and methodologies. That is why I have formed the opinion that they are allies.

For ISIS it is, according to them, only a matter of timing before they take on Israel. They are keen to destroy life for Muslims, Christians and other religious minorities in several other countries in the Middle East first, then they'll formally turn their attention to helping out their chums in Hamas.

TBH, I'd say that Hamas are probably too moderate for ISIS - if ISIS and Hamas were operating in the same territories, ISIS would likely be trying to wipe Hamas out.

(I think that's the first time that I've ever found necessary to use the words "moderate" and "Hamas" in a sentence)

Tony EH · 28-07-2014 02:51PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

As I've said, they share many of the same goals, motivations and methodologies. That is why I have formed the opinion that they are allies.

For ISIS it is, according to them, only a matter of timing before they take on Israel. They are keen to destroy life for Muslims, Christians and other religious minorities in several other countries in the Middle East first, then they'll formally turn their attention to helping out their chums in Hamas.

You have formed an opinion based on nothing though. This is the problem people have with your stance.

Facts are simple. They don't lie, they are impartial.

Your "opinion", however, is not based on any facts, it is simply a stance you wish to take...and in that respect, it deserves, not only to be dismissed, but derided.

There are MANY organisations that have cross-over in some of their goals, but that are not allied.

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 02:52PM

Nodin wrote: »

~Irrelevant crap. You were caught out in a lie. Why is it a lie instead of a mistake? Because you were asked multiple times by multiple posters to back it up, never did and instead of doing the right thing and withdrawing it, kept repeating it.

To be clear, it is my assertion/opinion that Hamas and ISIS are allies.

Nodin · 28-07-2014 02:53PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

To be clear, it is my assertion/opinion that Hamas and ISIS are allies.

You have no basis in fact for that. You keep repeating it, therefore you are lying. Why are you lying on this thread?

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 02:55PM

Nodin wrote: »

You have no basis in fact for that. You keep repeating it, therefore you are lying. Why are you lying on this thread?

I keep repeating my position because you keep asking me about it.

Happy to do so, and I've explained my reason for thinking a number of times.

end of the road · 28-07-2014 02:56PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

ISIS and Hamas are allies.

no they aren't

dav3 · 28-07-2014 02:57PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

To be clear, it is my assertion/opinion that Hamas and ISIS are allies.

Therefore

I Heart Internet wrote: »

It is my opinion that it is a fact.

I'm afraid that's not how things work out in the big bad world. You're all over the place in this thread.

Nodin · 28-07-2014 02:57PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

I keep repeating my position because you keep asking me about it.

Happy to do so, and I've explained my reason for thinking a number of times.

You have provided no source for anything. You made a claim with no basis, and despite no independent verification keep making it. That's a lie if ever there was one.

end of the road · 28-07-2014 03:00PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

As I've said, they share many of the same goals, motivations and methodologies. That is why I have formed the opinion that they are allies.

For ISIS it is, according to them, only a matter of timing before they take on Israel. They are keen to destroy life for Muslims, Christians and other religious minorities in several other countries in the Middle East first, then they'll formally turn their attention to helping out their chums in Hamas.

so its isis who want to help hamas, its isis who want to destroy anyone who doesn't conform to their strict religious beliefs unlike hamas, so therefore, isis and hamas aren't allies

Nodin · 28-07-2014 03:06PM

You often get nonsense that the Palestinians are somehow more bloodthirsty than their neighbours....
The Israeli journalist Haim Har-Zahav recorded this two days ago. The lyrics are choice, attacking Israeli-Palestinian politicans and slagging off the dead children in Gaza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7qFACSfd_k

I Heart Internet · 28-07-2014 03:06PM

end of the road wrote: »

so its isis who want to help hamas, its isis who want to destroy anyone who doesn't conform to their strict religious beliefs unlike hamas, so therefore, isis and hamas aren't allies

Hamas (unlike Palestinians in general I stress) only tolerate Christians in Gaza because it gives them a slight veneer of respectability with western states and Christians in the west.

wretcheddomain · 28-07-2014 03:09PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Hamas (unlike Palestinians in general I stress) only tolerate Christians in Gaza because it gives them a slight veneer of respectability with western states and Christians in the west.

bumper234 · 28-07-2014 03:11PM

Israel does not target hospitals and children

Except today when it targeted both!

http://news.sky.com/story/1308990/israeli-missile-hits-gaza-hospital-compound

Israeli Missile Hits Gaza Hospital Compound

Moments later, a doctor at the city's main hospital said seven children had been killed while playing in a playground in a Gaza City refugee camp by a separate Israeli missile.

listermint · 28-07-2014 03:12PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Hamas (unlike Palestinians in general I stress) only tolerate Christians in Gaza because it gives them a slight veneer of respectability with western states and Christians in the west.

It would appear you give yourself a slight veneer of credibility, Im unsure it might be your post count. But then i read their content.

Phonehead · 28-07-2014 03:12PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Hamas (unlike Palestinians in general I stress) only tolerate Christians in Gaza because it gives them a slight veneer of respectability with western states and Christians in the west.

Do you know how crazy you sound????? It's like saying Abraham Lincoln believed as much in slavery as Jefferson Davis... but he just wanted to appear more respectable to the outside world

tayto lover · 28-07-2014 03:13PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Israel does not target hospitals and children

Except today when it targeted both!

http://news.sky.com/story/1308990/israeli-missile-hits-gaza-hospital-compound

Israeli Missile Hits Gaza Hospital Compound

AND the wanton murders continue unabated. Israel is a sick country.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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