Herb Powell wrote: » Why do people keep saying "..but Hamas..." ? It's really quite irrelevant what Hamas have done when Israel bombs the living **** out of everything and everyone in Gaza. The IDF claiming that they try to minimise civilian casualties does not actually make it so. It's an absolute joke what Israel are getting away with, and what people will do to justify it. I don't know if there's actually anything else I can add to this thread, because the same people keep avoiding the same questions with the same tired, irrelevant points.
Darkrepeater wrote: » Sorry but, if you are as your name suggests an American, you's have been defending the actions of Israel for too long.. 3 Israeli dead civilians vs 1000 odd dead Palestinians now is hardly comparable.. Just in the few weeks.. Also a massive difference between home made rockets and ballistic rockets..
jank wrote: » Deliberate? I hazard a guess that this is an assumption unless you can point me to a mandate or order by the Israeli government or IDF That called for the deliberate targeting of children in the West Bank.
Memnoch wrote: » Israel are to blame because collective punishment of a civilian population is a war crime. I can only speak for myself. I am educated and consider myself to be a fair minded person. I have no bias in favour of Muslims or Arabs, nor do I hold any kind of prejudice towards Israel or Jewish people. My opinions are formed based on what I've seen of the conflict thus far and the conclusion I've come to is that the Israeli government has no interest in peace. Their actions show that they want to slowly and surely eradicate the palestinian people and they do this by using the pretext of Hamas aggression. The current conflict is a typical example of this. This is not surprising since the Israeli government have all the power and can do whatever they want without any real consequences. They have nothing to gain from peace, because peace would mean a fair division of land that they are occupying through illegal settlements. The casualties inflicted by Hamas are not enough to deter them and are dismissed as a few necessary sacrifices in the greater goal of occupying all the land. They seem to view this as a more viable strategy for long term peace and security. Hamas are a terrorist organisation. If you want to hold the Israeli government to the same standards as a terrorist organisation then you should admit and accept that they are no better/different. As it stands, Israel is an apartheid state and I am absolutely disgusted by their behaviour. The only reason they have escaped severe global censure is because of America's veto in the UN security council.
getzls wrote: » You should if as you say you are an educated person side with the Jews. They have not vowed to kill every Muslim in the World. Islam has vowed to kill every Jew in the World.
getzls wrote: » Why should Israel make it fair? The Arabs want to wipe them out to the last child. The Koran tells them too.
bumper234 wrote: » No one is saying the fighting i solely Israels fault because they are better equipped and better fighters. We are saying the massive civilian casualties, the bombings of hospitals, the deliberate targeting of children playing football is solely the fault of Israel.
I Heart Internet wrote: » Those that voted for Hamas would be fairly content with it I'd imagine. The many Palestinians who crave peace and development would be disgusted no doubt.
I Heart Internet wrote: » Hamas and ISIS share more in common than just a shared enemy (as Israel and Syria share). They share (some) motivations, methodology and desires.
getzls wrote: » Why should Israel make it fair? The Arabs want to wipe them out to the last child. The Koran tells them too. Should Israel give them the arms to do it? Maybe throw in a few Nuclear bombs as well?
Darkrepeater wrote: » Without derailing the thread much more with this one.. The web page you just posted to is about an islamicphobic born again Christian site as you get.. Not much tolerance towards others there... Lol. Anyway. Let's move on mate
I Heart Internet wrote: » Hamas are radical, militant islamists with a vow to destroy the state of Israel. They are, though some won't admit it, a slightly more presentable stand of militant
I Heart Internet wrote: » Islamism than ISIS. They share the same goals, methods and motivations. They are, in my opinion, allies.
OneEightSeven wrote: » Both books are very contradictory. They both preach hate and tolerance. Without derailing the thread much more with this one.. The web page you just posted to is about an islamicphobic born again Christian site as you get.. Not much tolerance towards others there... Lol. Anyway. Let's move on mate
dav3 wrote: » I suggest you need to educate yourself more if that's your opinion. Do you honestly believe they are allies? Using your logic through tenuous links, The Israeli government and leadership is allied with the Syrian government and leadership.
Darkrepeater wrote: » And as anyone knows both Christianity and Islam preaches tolerance, love and respect for your fellow man.. Not stoning and killing people.. Yes there is story's in them about such things.. But it is not the message of either book
dav3 wrote: » Nobody mentioned a "conspiracy", you can surely get your point across without the hyperbole. The facts are there for people to make their own decisions. Let's see how the next few days play out. Let's see how much the lies and propaganda peddled by the likes of Regev and the rest of the Israeli mouthpieces go unchallenged.
bumper234 wrote: » Where in my post did i say Christians? I said that the bible ALSO has some stupid **** in it that some radicals would take seriously just as the Koran has some stupid **** in it and some radicals take seriously.
getzls wrote: » The people in Gaza knew exactly what they were voting for and what would happen if Hamas got elected. They are not disappointed, what they wanted is happening. Sometimes you reap what you sow.
bumper234 wrote: » The bible tells us to stone women, Some radicals would go with that MOST won't. Not every Muslim takes the Koran literally you know. What the sweet **** does a 2 year old baby know about the Koran anyway?
Darkrepeater wrote: » I've never heard that the holy bible or holy Quran tells its followers to do either..? Please can you quote from either book where it's says either of what you have claimed..?
Darkrepeater wrote: » I don't think those people doing the stoning were Christians..?
dav3 wrote: » How do you think the Palestinian people would feel about being ruled by isis?
bumper234 wrote: » Here you go
I Heart Internet wrote: » They share (some) motivations, methodology and desires.
mad muffin wrote: » Live under the spectre of terror for long enough and you start losing your humanity.
Magaggie wrote: » Nothing will ever make me believe people here (apart from islamophobes) genuinely support the IDF's abhorrent excessive force. Just looks like a smokescreen for pushing another agenda - e.g. not wanting to hold the same view as "lefties", being loyalist so automatically supporting the Israeli military (coz yeh, loyalist hardliners have always had so much time for the Jews and never had links to far-right organisations like Combat 18). I despair at Hamas's rocket launches and do hold them some bit responsible, but for people to pin the blame entirely on them, as if the IDF isn't responsible itself for all the slaughter it's inflicting on innocent people... is warped. Oh but it's an army and they wear uniforms so they're ok.
