Video of Shocking scenes as woman gets punched in the face on Dublin Bus

discus · 25-07-2014 03:37PM

strobe wrote: »

I think that's almost certainly not true. I think if the guy who stepped in had broken the attackers jaw not a thing would have happened to him. I think no criminal charges would have been pursued against him by the DDP and any civil suit would be ruled in favour of the defendant so fast your head would spin.

I know a man who was successfully claimed against for landing a single punch on a man who was attacking his daughter. And anecdotally I've heard of similar stories.

dharma200 · 25-07-2014 03:38PM

This is what the person who was assaulted has said...
They don’t know each other. The video is, indeed, very short. Two people got assaulted by him (my friend, who’s on the video, and me). The garda was called twice and they didn’t show up, even though their station is 5 minutes away from where this happened. This is as much info as I dare share. The rest is with the hospital, where we spent the night, and with the Garda.
Eric Haffabee, if you’re reading the comments, I’d very much appreciate if you could send me the video, maybe via email, so it can be added to the file that has been opened with the Garda, please. Also, we will need witnesses.
Thank you. I really appreciate it.

What a scum bag, and as for the stupid posts in this thread, scum bag also. Some attitude.

strobe · 25-07-2014 03:39PM

discus wrote: »

I know a man who was successfully claimed against for landing a single punch on a man who was attacking his daughter. And anecdotally I've heard of similar stories.

I knew a dog once that used to meow.

upandcumming · 25-07-2014 03:41PM

S0crates wrote: »

When will people realise that the only way to deal with perpetrators like this is to lock them up and forget about them. He should NEVER be allowed out, even for just a single incident like this.

Jesus Christ... you are quite funny.

Hatrickpatrick raises a fair point no? Regular beatings to other men and no article in the paper?

Anyway, has anyone even questioned the context? I don't condone violence in any way, but why was the videographer filming the side of a bus on a Wednesday night? Not the most exciting thing to film but then they happened to catch an assault on a woman.

steddyeddy · 25-07-2014 03:41PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They do this with impunity. Even if caught he will walk in to court and more than likely walk out with another conviction on the rap sheet. He will still be walking the streets.

The justice system in Ireland is broken. No punishment means free for all.

Well at least the Tv license evaders are safely in jail.

DrumSteve · 25-07-2014 03:43PM

I used to get the 40 (and the 78a before that) every day, still do sometimes.

This is not the worst thing I've seen on that bus.

strobe · 25-07-2014 03:44PM

upandcumming wrote: »

Jesus Christ... you are quite funny.

Hatrickpatrick raises a fair point no? Regular beatings to other men and no article in the paper?

Anyway, has anyone even questioned the context? I don't condone violence in any way, but why was the videographer filming the side of a bus on a Wednesday night? Not the most exciting thing to film but then they happened to catch an assault on a woman.

The victims companion was assaulted prior to the video. I presume the person taking the video saw this and then took their phone out and began filming.

What are you implying? Some kind of set up or conspiracy type dealy?

Snake · 25-07-2014 03:48PM

Dirty bastard.

eviltwin · 25-07-2014 03:49PM

upandcumming wrote: »

Jesus Christ... you are quite funny.

Hatrickpatrick raises a fair point no? Regular beatings to other men and no article in the paper?

Anyway, has anyone even questioned the context? I don't condone violence in any way, but why was the videographer filming the side of a bus on a Wednesday night? Not the most exciting thing to film but then they happened to catch an assault on a woman.

Probably they witnessed the first attack on her friend and started taping then, it looks like the attacker is bending down at the start of the video which might suggest either her mate or the guy who went to help them was on the ground.

There are a few differences between this and what HP mentioned . First this was caught on tape which makes it more shocking than a second hand account. Second, its not a nitelink, its a normal bus service which any member of the public might find themselves using from time to time. Nite links aren't always going to be full of scum but you know the crowd that is on it is going to be coming home with drink on them and for that reason a lot of people avoid them. I've seen enough incidents on them not to ever set foot on one again. On a normal bus route though with people coming home from work or the shops etc I would be very shocked to see anyone being attacked like that.

SVJKarate · 25-07-2014 03:50PM

dharma200 wrote: »

The garda was called twice and they didn’t show up, even though their station is 5 minutes away from where this happened.

I'm guessing, as others have said, that assaults on buses are relatively common in Dublin and the Gardaí are neither resourced nor motivated to attend to all such calls, especially when;

Many of the assaults are fairly minor in nature
The availability & reliability of witnesses is often poor
The track record of the courts taking any kind of meaningful action is very poor
There are fewer and fewer Gardaí available to deal with this anti-social behavior

nc19 · 25-07-2014 03:52PM

As bad as it may sound her getting punched in the face is not as bad as me getting a needle in the arm or a knife in the eyeball....

The_Minister · 25-07-2014 03:53PM

discus wrote: »

I know a man who was successfully claimed against for landing a single punch on a man who was attacking his daughter. And anecdotally I've heard of similar stories.

Rubbish.

You are entitled to use reasonable and proportionate force in defence of yourself or another - if that was all there was to it the judge would have thrown it out.

Tigger · 25-07-2014 04:28PM

dosen't seem to be many people on the upstairs and you be surprised how many people freeze in these situations
yes people should help but you need to know what you are doing

as for fellas on the nightlink getting slapped around its probably the lack ofg a video that stops them becomming news

bumper234 · 25-07-2014 04:38PM

Honest question to all

Would you have stepped in if you were there and witnessed this? I know that i would have 100% not hesitated and i think that's why i find it hard to fathom how the guy got away with it. Maybe there wasn't anyone else upstairs (can't see) but in a hypothetical situation where you are upstairs on that bus what would you do?

Kermit.de.frog · 25-07-2014 04:52PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Honest question to all

Would you have stepped in if you were there and witnessed this? I know that i would have 100% not hesitated and i think that's why i find it hard to fathom how the guy got away with it. Maybe there wasn't anyone else upstairs (can't see) but in a hypothetical situation where you are upstairs on that bus what would you do?

A syringe in the neck could be the reward for your courage. Is it worth it?

No.

It's not worth it because even if he is caught it will be a slap on the wrist. These scumbags are not punished. We have people walking the streets with over 150 convictions ffs.

If we were in a properly run country like the UK or Germany where perpetrators are punished i'd have no hesitation. But not here.

And I think the reason people don't intervene is partly because they are afraid but also because they know this guy won't be dealt with as he should be.

Lou.m · 25-07-2014 04:54PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They do this with impunity. Even if caught he will walk in to court and more than likely walk out with another conviction on the rap sheet. He will still be walking the streets.

The justice system in Ireland is broken. No punishment means free for all.

Prisons are over flowing. I think the fact that we can't afford to punish them is part of the issue.

Piliger · 25-07-2014 04:54PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The gardai are the single worst and ill equipped police force in the Europe Union in my opinion. What surprises me is the people that seem to expect more.

I expect what the gardai are - useless. I expect the soft touch from the justice system. I expect no prison places for little toe rags like this.

On what basis has anyone got any respect for any aspect of justice in this country because I certainly don't. I'm still trying to figure it out.

One of the dumbest posts this decade. You don't even grasp the difference between the Garda and the justice system.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-07-2014 05:00PM

Piliger wrote: »

One of the dumbest posts this decade. You don't even grasp the difference between the Garda and the justice system.

Such a well constructed, well articulated and informative point you put across there. If you had bothered to read I did differentiate between the two. Tell us more about our glorious police force before you go on.

We don't have a proper police force nor justice system. Anybody who thinks we do is living in cuckoo land. Both need MAJOR reform.

I agree about the point above about funding and more prison places. We clearly need a new large prison outside Dublin - unfortunate Thornton Hall was all but scrapped.

I wonder are people actually looking at what is there and whether they think the prisons we have are in fact playgrounds for criminals. Which they are. Paying for an extension to a system that allows these gurriers have all sorts of goodies in their cells and open prisons and all the rest. I assume that will just continue.

Lou.m · 25-07-2014 05:06PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A syringe in the neck could be the reward for your courage. Is it worth it?

No.

It's not worth it because even if he is caught it will be a slap on the wrist. These scumbags are not punished. We have people walking the streets with over 150 convictions ffs.

If we were in a properly run country like the UK or Germany where perpetrators are punished i'd have no hesitation. But not here.

When I was 4 my mother was pregnant heavily with my brother. We were visiting my grandmother in my dad's old neighbour hood Oliver bond. (It's rough). We were alone and this guy held a syringe and snatched her purse. Of the scummiest ..a heavily pregnant woman with a toddler in tow.

It turned out the guy was actually someone my Dad went to school with. My Dad worked his butt off put himself through college when I was young and could never imagine doing something like that. By the time I was 10 he had created a totally different lifestyle from nothing. And the other guy he went to school with turned to that. Robbing a pregnant woman who is accompanied by a toddler. When we went to see my grandmother through the yrs we would sometimes see him sitting on the stairs or something (High rise flats). The guys family would make EVERY excuse for him. I would say the apple did not fall far from the tree there.

In a way their own lives are their punishment. If you behave like an animal you live like one. There were lots of people around when it happened but people don't know how to react until one person shows them.

I would have called it to the bus drivers attention. I would have called the police I would have shouted at them and screamed my head off I hope. But I would be no match for a male physically. (I'm female).

OldNotWIse · 25-07-2014 05:08PM

No way would I be getting involved.

shane9689 · 25-07-2014 05:09PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A syringe in the neck could be the reward for your courage. Is it worth it?

No.

It's not worth it because even if he is caught it will be a slap on the wrist. These scumbags are not punished. We have people walking the streets with over 150 convictions ffs.

If we were in a properly run country like the UK or Germany where perpetrators are punished i'd have no hesitation. But not here.

And I think the reason people don't intervene is partly because they are afraid but also because they know this guy won't be dealt with as he should be.

soo, you just let a woman get beat to a pulp? possibly even suffer permanent damage or death because you dont want to risk getting hurt?

we live in a ****ing society, not a "every man for himself", if you see someone getting attacked you help where possible because they are part of your society too

hardCopy · 25-07-2014 05:11PM

Why is his face blurred out in the video? How does that help identify him?

hfallada wrote: »

I stick up for myself. But I'm not goi. to risk my life for some random person on the bus. I wouldcall the gardai. response to a 112 call is less than 2 mins in Dublin city. Most guys will only hit a girl, but have no problem hitting a guy until he is seriously injured or stab him.

There is a time and place to be a hero

Garda response in two minutes? I'm fairly sure that's never been the case, even when they were fully staffed.

upandcumming wrote: »

Jesus Christ... you are quite funny.

Hatrickpatrick raises a fair point no? Regular beatings to other men and no article in the paper?

Anyway, has anyone even questioned the context? I don't condone violence in any way, but why was the videographer filming the side of a bus on a Wednesday night? Not the most exciting thing to film but then they happened to catch an assault on a woman.

Pretty much every bus passenger at every bus stop in the country has a camera, any night of the week.

Procasinator · 25-07-2014 05:11PM

Piliger wrote: »

You don't even grasp the difference between the Garda and the justice system.

I don't see how you arrived at this conclusion. Even difference feels like the wrong way of stating it, seeing the Garda would fall under the justice system umbrella. I don't think he has implied the part is the whole.

fr336 · 25-07-2014 05:14PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If we were in a properly run country like the UK or Germany where perpetrators are punished i'd have no hesitation. But not here.

Hahahahahahahahaha! What.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-07-2014 05:15PM

shane9689 wrote: »

we live in a ****ing society, not a "every man for himself", if you see someone getting attacked you help where possible because they are part of your society too

We don't have a proper society in Ireland. You are confusing Ireland for a modern, properly run, first world country with a proper and well equipped police force and judicial system and first world infrastructure like proper prisons and even courts.

That's why the majority I believe won't intervene and just mind their own business. Which is exactly what I would do. This is the society Irish governments have created. Not me. These scumbags have free reign and have had it for over 30 years.

RoboRat · 25-07-2014 05:17PM

razorblunt wrote: »

It's all very well saying "where were the other passengers", but there are multiple reports of people intervening in situations like the above only to have both parties turn on the person who tried to intervene.
I'm not saying that would have happened here but still. I'd like to think I would intervene but I hope to never be put in that position.

Happened to me a few years ago, bloke punching his missus, I stepped in thinking I was doing the right thing and next thing she is on my back punching and scratching my face.

Would still do it again every time, but I am a bit more savvy about not turning my back and assuming they wont attack too.

yaya* · 25-07-2014 05:18PM

uch wrote: »

Looking at the pics, if he was coming from the back of the Bus then the Stairs were behind the woman, so nothing stopping her just running down them which suggests to me that she knew him or was talking to him for some reason. Still no reason to assault her mind.

From my understanding of it, her friend was already being beaten up by this ***hole and presumably, she didn't want to leave him there. Also, she was filming it for evidence.
Either way, she should have the right to stand any where on a bus and not feel the need to run away, in case some w*nker decides to punch her.

And to the people commenting that there are men beaten up every day of the week on buses, I agree that's awful and so out of line. But I must admit, seeing a woman being pummelled by a guy like that, is far more shocking to watch and I'm not surprised there's articles etc about it.

25-07-2014 05:19PM

I think I would intervene in anyway I could. If others were around me, I'd encourage them to help me stop it.

But, I've never been in that situation before so can only say I hope it is what I would do. I know if I just stood back and watched, I would be ashamed of myself.

OldNotWIse · 25-07-2014 05:22PM

shane9689 wrote: »

soo, you just let a woman get beat to a pulp? possibly even suffer permanent damage or death because you dont want to risk getting hurt?

we live in a ****ing society, not a "every man for himself", if you see someone getting attacked you help where possible because they are part of your society too

Er, dont be imposing your own standards on others. There's no obligation to intervene. Why not consider the needs of your own loved ones instead of a stranger, and think about what it would do to them to get a call saying you've had your head kicked in. Also, more frequently than you might think, women in these situations, getting knocked around by their partners suffer from a thing called Stockholm Syndrome, and will actually turn on the pleb who intervenes.

rubadub · 25-07-2014 05:23PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Any "man" hitting a woman is a filthy scumbag.

I would simply say any person hitting a person is a scumbag. No need to bring gender into it, by doing so it suggests you might have no problem if it was another way around. Like if you had said "any man hitting a mexican is a filthy scumbag" infers you might think some other countries citizens are fair game.

Or if you really mean a strong person should not hit a weaker one just say that.

upandcumming wrote: »

Hatrickpatrick raises a fair point no? Regular beatings to other men and no article in the paper?

It obviously doesn't sell papers, its not as newsworthy, thought this is common knowledge. Just like people feigning ignorance saying "how come garth brooks is on the front page and not all these killings going on elsewhere?" perhaps some really are that ignorant.

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