Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

HaveASnickers · 24-07-2014 04:19PM

Messi - Suarez - Neymar

One of Messi or Suarez's goal return will have to drop. I wonder who it will be?

Raif Severance · 24-07-2014 04:19PM

I am pie wrote: »

Henderson won't play there, didn't last season. Gerrard did. Next year will be

Gerrard + Henderson
Lallana

Gerrard will be phased out by Can in time, but it won't happen overnight. Gerrard is the club captain and will play most of the season, Can is a new 20 yr old with limited playing time ahead of him this year.

Henderson doesn't have the passing game to play DLM, he is better in the CM role supporting Lallana and providing extra cover at the back. His mobility is one of his biggest assets and to shackle him in a deeper position is a mistake that BR wouldnt make.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's not a position he has played for us or previously for Sunderland.

You underestimate Hendo's Passing. He's probably the Best One we have, next to Gerrard.

Hendo will not be a Predefined DLM per se, but he will play it In Tandem with Can. Just like when he and Allen did it, when Gerrard got Injured last season. One goes Forward and Help in the Attack, while the Other stays to Cover.

The Reason why I put DLM on Hendo, instead of Can, is that Can will Run with the Ball more than I think Hendo will.

I know Hendo's a Strong Runner, but he usually does it Off the Ball. He's not the Type that will Dribble the Ball around a Defender, that Can or Lallana likes to do.

So even though both of them will Interchange in those Roles in that Setup, Can will be play more of the CM and Hendo the DLM.

I am pie · 24-07-2014 04:29PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

You underestimate Hendo's Passing. He's probably the Best One we have, next to Gerrard.

Hendo will not be a Predefined DLM per se, but he will play it In Tandem with Can. Just like when he and Allen did it, when Gerrard got Injured last season. One goes Forward and Help in the Attack, while the Other stays to Cover.

The Reason why I put DLM on Hendo, instead of Can, is that Can will Run with the Ball more than I think Hendo will.

I know Hendo's a Strong Runner, but he usually does it Off the Ball. He's not the Type that will Dribble the Ball around a Defender, that Can or Lallana likes to do.

So even though both of them will Interchange in those Roles in that Setup, Can will be play more of the CM and Hendo the DLM.

I can't see it and we haven't seen it.

When he played with Allen, Allen sat deeper and was less mobile.

I suspect you can probably throw those labels in the bin as what I believe BR is looking for is midfielders who can accelerate that attacking transition that this liverpool team is based on.

Right now Gerrard's weakness is his mobility. I think Can will directly replace him in time and play in tandem with Henderson. Neither one will be a (DLM), I dont see the need. We'll have 2 more mobile players who will cover ground between defense and attack, of course, as each game requires one or both can play deeper or further forward, but generally I would say they will play as a pair. Strengths will be quick transitions from attack to defence and vice versa. I dont think Rogers' ideal style needsd a DLM. I think that's a static position which will in time become less useful as players become more multifaceted. We all love Pirlo, but i think that role is becoming as much of a luxury as a static no.10 role in behind the strikers.

That's the over riding profile of the player we are buying, mobility, can carry and pass. I think we'll move beyond static fixed positions in mf beyond giving Can & Henderson responsbility for quick shift between def & attack and asking Lallana to drive & direct the attacking 4.

I am pie · 24-07-2014 04:35PM

5live wrote: »

Welcome.

Its always interesting here, even for the wrong reasons.

Panda saps have vacancies arising every day now...:(

Yeah, welcome to the worst thread for the worst fans in the league.

Our year....

...to be the worst team in the league.

Fescue · 24-07-2014 04:52PM

I am pie wrote: »

I can't see it and we haven't seen it.

When he played with Allen, Allen sat deeper and was less mobile.

I suspect you can probably throw those labels in the bin as what I believe BR is looking for is midfielders who can accelerate that attacking transition that this liverpool team is based on.

Right now Gerrard's weakness is his mobility. I think Can will directly replace him in time and play in tandem with Henderson. Neither one will be a (DLM), I dont see the need. We'll have 2 more mobile players who will cover ground between defense and attack, of course, as each game requires one or both can play deeper or further forward, but generally I would say they will play as a pair. Strengths will be quick transitions from attack to defence and vice versa. I dont think Rogers' ideal style needsd a DLM. I think that's a static position which will in time become less useful as players become more multifaceted. We all love Pirlo, but i think that role is becoming as much of a luxury as a static no.10 role in behind the strikers.

That's the over riding profile of the player we are buying, mobility, can carry and pass. I think we'll move beyond static fixed positions in mf beyond giving Can & Henderson responsbility for quick shift between def & attack and asking Lallana to drive & direct the attacking 4.

I wonder could Allen be the player to take over from Gerrard. Not a like for like replacement but someone who sits and dictates the tempo of our play. A much more controlling presence than Gerrard. Ahead of him two box to box players like Lallana, Henderson or Can.

Fescue · 24-07-2014 04:57PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkhbI-iDpmY

En Francais, malheuresement.

Devilman40k · 24-07-2014 04:59PM

5live wrote: »

Welcome.

Its always interesting here, even for the wrong reasons.

Panda saps have vacancies arising every day now...:(

Some of us are just making our way back from holidays

We'll be match fit in a couple of weeks

8-10 · 24-07-2014 05:09PM

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Kuyt scored 71 goals in 101 games in the dutch league
Suarez scored 81 goals in 110 games
By your reckoning Kuyt was inevitably going to become a world class player by playing in a bigger team and getting CL football. Definitely doesnt work like that at all.

And that's definitely not what I said.

He was outstanding in 09/10 (season before he moved so by the 10/11 season) and had clearly outgrown the league, that's what I had said. Kuyt had not, goals are just part of the story. In 10/11, he was ready to move on and probably should have in that summer and not waited for January.

Suarez was, by my reckoning before he moved to Liverpool, already an outstanding player. And I actually thought he would go on to be world class! Based partially on his goalscoring in that season, but mainly on his all round game and ability to carry the team through games where the midfield was not performing.

Absolutely nowhere did I compare him to Kuyt (or Alves or anybody else) and you've completely taken my point up wrong.

If you've been watching him since he joined Liverpool you have to recognise that he's already blessed with the talent and desire to win. And I'm saying that Liverpool can be credited with not holding him back and under BR trying to get the best out of him - absolutely the right thing to do.

All I'm saying is that it's not as simple as Liverpool making him a better player, I think had he gone to another EPL club he would also have become better and been good enough for a move to Barca. Liverpool did what they could when they could, I just think he's such a good player that he would have had a huge impact on the other teams I mentioned and also grown to be 'World Class' (for lack of a better term)

And for what it's worth I do think it's a shame he has only played in the CL group stages once at his age

Vicxas · 24-07-2014 05:26PM

Milan Jovanovich announces his retirement.

Goodnight sweet prince

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbtbUHRXyY

Cjs21 · 24-07-2014 05:29PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Milan Jovanovich announces his retirement.

Goodnight sweet prince

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbtbUHRXyY

True genius of the game

Knex* · 24-07-2014 05:33PM

Bastids removed the "Milan Jovanovic is one of the greatest players in the World", Neighbours video. Can't find it anywhere now!

klose · 24-07-2014 05:35PM

Ha! That jovanovic video never gets old

Gbear · 24-07-2014 05:57PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Don't get this need for a 'star' or 'marquee' signing.

We arguably haven't had one at LFC since Torres, although Liverpool made him a better player.

Same with Suarez.

People baulked at Sturridge signing last year but wouldn't want him leaving now.

Think Liverpool create more stars than actually sign.

The thing is though, JWH was talking about how great it was to be in the CL because now we could get our targets.

Our signings might turn out to be of that calibre and profile, but they're not right now.

The players in question aren't just those that cost 20-30m.
It's also about age and maturity. Obviously quality is the other factor.

Markovich might produce earlier than the usual 23/24 and deliver next season and Lallana might prove to be better than we think (like Sturridge) but as targets they don't fit that criteria of stars or proto-stars like Suarez and Torres who were ready to dive right in and become one of the very best in the league straight away.

We've continued to miss out on those targets this summer (Sanchez is the only one so far).

That doesn't mean that we're going to have a **** season, but we're yet to prove that we can go toe to toe with Europe's elite by matching them financially for top quality players in or approaching their peak.

mormank · 24-07-2014 05:59PM

Knex. wrote: »

Bastids removed the "Milan Jovanovic is one of the greatest players in the World", Neighbours video. Can't find it anywhere now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyRcA5K3Is4
skip to 15.30. Couldn't find the clip on it's own either but felt the digging was warranted given his retirement!

x43r0 · 24-07-2014 06:28PM

mormank wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyRcA5K3Is4
skip to 15.30. Couldn't find the clip on it's own either but felt the digging was warranted given his retirement!

Fine work! Never seen that before, hilarious

Hollister11 · 24-07-2014 06:30PM

Andy Carroll has done his ankle ligaments in, and will be out for about 4 months!!!

Good old andy

Fescue · 24-07-2014 06:34PM

Just finished watching the game. Quite enjoyable I thought. Not the result you might want but it was pretty high tempo and a good workout for all involved.

Don't think anyone stood out really but Coutinho looked sharp.

NukaCola · 24-07-2014 06:36PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Milan Jovanovich announces his retirement.

Top top all round player. We are all worse off with his retirement

Charlie19 · 24-07-2014 06:46PM

That gif is just brilliant.

I am pie · 24-07-2014 06:54PM

Fescue wrote: »

I wonder could Allen be the player to take over from Gerrard. Not a like for like replacement but someone who sits and dictates the tempo of our play. A much more controlling presence than Gerrard. Ahead of him two box to box players like Lallana, Henderson or Can.

I think the role is a luxury, need to be more dynamic. It's rare for mf players to have such a limited area of the pitch to work in. Can & Henderson athleticism should see us phase that position out. Dont think for example you'd see Germany play with a sitting mf player. I think thats why we bought Can and not a DM or DLM (whatever you wanna call it). Also why we will let Lucas go

I am pie · 24-07-2014 06:56PM

For the clearest example of why Liverpool and Utd fans should be kept as far away from each other as possible, have a look at the pure dribblefest of sub adolescent nonsense geing spewed out on twitter after carragher23 rated Gerrard above Scholes and Lampard.

Would put you off football nearly.

Agent Coulson · 24-07-2014 06:57PM

Fescue wrote: »

I wonder could Allen be the player to take over from Gerrard. Not a like for like replacement but someone who sits and dictates the tempo of our play. A much more controlling presence than Gerrard. Ahead of him two box to box players like Lallana, Henderson or Can.

To be honest I think that role was given to Gerrard because Rodgers couldn't/wouldn't or was afraid to drop Gerrard.

Once he is retired or is made a part-timer that role will not be replaced by anyone else. I think.

dubdamo · 24-07-2014 06:58PM

HaveASnickers wrote: »

Messi - Suarez - Neymar

One of Messi or Suarez's goal return will have to drop. I wonder who it will be?

Really don't care, he's gone, I don't follow Suarez, I follow Liverpool.

8-10 · 24-07-2014 07:05PM

dubdamo wrote: »

Really don't care, he's gone, I don't follow Suarez, I follow Liverpool.

Cold! I always end up checking in on ex-players, sometimes even watching games to see how they play

Grayditch · 24-07-2014 07:07PM

I'm not even going to pretend I'm not interested in how Suarez gets on.

Jesus Wept · 24-07-2014 07:12PM

mormank wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyRcA5K3Is4
skip to 15.30. Couldn't find the clip on it's own either but felt the digging was warranted given his retirement!

I reckon our scouting team were just sat around watching neighbours tbh.

24-07-2014 07:17PM

I am pie wrote: »

For the clearest example of why Liverpool and Utd fans should be kept as far away from each other as possible, have a look at the pure dribblefest of sub adolescent nonsense geing spewed out on twitter after carragher23 rated Gerrard above Scholes and Lampard.

Would put you off football nearly.

You see similar in here all the time.

Augmerson · 24-07-2014 07:21PM

Is there a chance that we'd get Barcelona in the CL and Suarez could start against us?

5starpool · 24-07-2014 07:25PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Is there a chance that we'd get Barcelona in the CL and Suarez could start against us?

Of course we can get Barca in the CL.

rob316 · 24-07-2014 07:27PM

dubdamo wrote: »

Really don't care, he's gone, I don't follow Suarez, I follow Liverpool.

I get the sentiment but he gave us his absolute all every time he went out on the pitch. I wish him every success and will watch barcelona next season to see how he's doing. An unforgettable player for good and bad.

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Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07