Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

fedor.2. · 24-07-2014 03:02PM

So, just checking I'm up to speed. Hamas were launching rockets from a hospital, Israel gave warnings that it was about to attack said hospital.

Israel attempted, repeatedly, to get clarification, on whether the hospital was evacuated. This clarification was not forthcoming. Am I rite so far?

Tony EH · 24-07-2014 03:03PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

If that was true - how come there are Israelis demonstrating freely to stop the war, to free Gaza, etc? Would extremists allow it?

The more lies you post, the more ridiculous you make yourself out to be.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/21/israeli_peace_demo_violently_disrupted_dozens

end of the road · 24-07-2014 03:04PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

I would be the first to always make the distinction between Hamas and the Palestinians when applicable.

you wouldn't, you don't, you haven't, you never will.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

my heart goes to the suffering Palestinians - in particular all the innocent children.

it doesn't, you condone the genocide.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

at the end of the day - the Palestinians made a choice between Hamas and Fatah.
One was corrupt but headed for peace, and the other was corrupt and promised Jihad.
The Palestinians democratically (right?) elected Hamas, and they still support it and its Jihadist targets.

democratically voted yes, means nothing, no excuse for israels actions.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

They are responsible for Hamas as much as Hamas is responsible for them.

wrong again, if israel didn't start clenzeing the natives the minute the state came into being and still do to this day then hamas wouldn't exist.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

I completely understand that Israel has to defend its own citizens first and only then think about enemy citizens.

you mean putting their citizens at risk, brilliant strategy

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

I see that the Israelis are doing the best they can not to hurt civilians - more than any other army in the world.

sweet suffering jesus, there is mountains of evidence to prove otherwise.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

I know that war is chaos and I'm amazed at how the Israelis manage to avoid killing so many more civilians given the conditions on the ground.

you are seriously fcuking delusianel, and brainwashed

Otacon · 24-07-2014 03:04PM

Shelling 'kills 15 in Gaza shelter' - BBC News

At least 15 people have been killed and more than 200 injured when a UN-run school used as a shelter in Gaza was shelled, the Gaza health ministry says.

There are two possibilities IMO.
1. The IDF knew they were aiming at a shelter for civilians, in which case, they intentionally murdered civilians.
2. The IDF didn't know what they were hitting. Therefore, they are negligent and guilty of slaughtering at least 15 people in this case.

Either option is worthy of scorn IMO.

R P McMurphy · 24-07-2014 03:06PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Hamas themselves have been known to handle Christians in a "loving" fashion.

If you are referring to the attacks on Christian churches in the aftermath of Benedict's speech, those were condemned by Hamas but some of those churches are sustaining damage now as are sheltering people

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 03:06PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Not at the expense of its people. The Israelis have shelters and iron dome. The Palestinians have what?

They have little or nothing... but Israel just keeps taking anyway.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Instead of using the aid they got to build dozens (if not more) of terror tunnels meant to attack Israeli civilians, they could have used the aid to build bomb shelters for their own people. Didn't build even one did they?

Well sure they wouldn't need them if they weren't getting bombed!!!!

danniemcq · 24-07-2014 03:08PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Did you actually read those links? One is a denial that Hamas militants have turned up in Syria and the other concerns a statement from the leader of ISIS essentially saying that the time isn't right for all out war on Israel - they're taking a systematic approach to the growth of their caliphate and killing Israeli's today would upset that. They're on the list though. Hilarious.

Yes I read them and replied to the post saying they were buddies.

"One is a denial that Hamas militants have turned up in Syria and the other concerns a statement from the leader of ISIS essentially saying that the time isn't right for all out war on Israel"

Doesn't really sound buddy buddy now does it?

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 03:09PM

Otacon wrote: »

2. The IDF didn't know what they were hitting. Therefore, they are negligent and guilty of slaughtering at least 15 people in this case.

According to the Israeli Ambassador they can target anywhere they want if there's a suspicion that there's rockets on the premises

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 03:10PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

So basically you are saying that the people in Gaza are getting what they deserve is that it?

As for doing their best not to hurt civilians, well there is ample evidence every day that this is definitely not the case. So do you put all of the civilian deaths down to pure incompetence on the part of the IDF?

No, I'm saying that they are getting what they voted for. Big difference.

As for civilians - I've said it before and I will say it again.
You need to decide which is it, out of only two possible options:
Either the Israelis don't care about the civilians or they do care.

If you agree that they care, then you can accept that mistakes happen in the chaos of war and understand that Israel didn't target civilians on purpose.

If you don't agree that they care - then answer me this:
why are they calling Palestinians and warning them to leave before bombing?
why are they dropping leaflets?
why are they sometimes cancelling attacks when they see civilians?
why did they set up a field hospital for wounded Palestinians where Israeli doctors treat the wounded?

Allow me jump the gun, and guess that your answer will be something along the lines of "They are afraid of the international community and public opinion, and that is why they are doing these things, but they don't really care about the civilians".

And here lies the flaw in logic that so many here fail to see:
If the Israelis are soooooo afraid of public opinion and the international community and all that...
Then why would they bomb a school or a mosque or a hospital...
Unless it was used for terrorist activities? Where is the gain?

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 03:11PM

bumper234 wrote: »

You have obviously never seen a real world GSW.

Quite a few actually. Look for links on youtube on sniper rifle damage.

NewCorkLad · 24-07-2014 03:13PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

So, just checking I'm up to speed. Hamas were launching rockets from a hospital, Israel gave warnings that it was about to attack said hospital.

Israel attempted, repeatedly, to get clarification, on whether the hospital was evacuated. This clarification was not forthcoming. Am I rite so far?

How long would you estimate it takes to fully evacuate a hospital when all the other hospitals are full, roads have been turned to rubble, ambulances have been destroyed and bombs are raining from the sky? In my opinion probably a few weeks.

And Im sure they were repeatedly told that there were people in the hospital, but the Israelis were dropping that bomb no matter what.

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 03:13PM

danniemcq wrote: »

entry wounds aren't that spectacular as you may be led to believe by tv and movies.

The real damage would be on the exit would which would not be visable in the video.

Idealy you don't even want a bullet to exit the target. As i said earlier you would either want it to sxpand/explode inside the body where the shrapnel will tear everything apart or have the whole bullet tumble through the body ripping and tearing everything.

I agree wounds vary. In any case - there was other evidence in the analysis to suggest it was fake.

eeepaulo · 24-07-2014 03:14PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

As for civilians - I've said it before and I will say it again.
You need to decide which is it, out of only two possible options:
Either the Israelis don't care about the civilians or they do care.

750 dead, 150(ish) children

That is 750 dead, but they tell us they care,

Should we look into it? Nah

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 03:14PM

Warper wrote: »

The majority of Israelites supports the ground offensive - how is that not a majority?

Simple - you don't have to be an extremist to support a ground offensive when you have rockets flying at you.

Nodin · 24-07-2014 03:15PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

I agree wounds vary. In any case - there was other evidence in the analysis to suggest it was fake.

But its been verified, so the tinfoil hat blog post really only serves to undermine any other points you try to make.

bumper234 · 24-07-2014 03:17PM

The hypocrisy of the US media knows no bounds

NewCorkLad · 24-07-2014 03:18PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

If that was true - how come there are Israelis demonstrating freely to stop the war, to free Gaza, etc? Would extremists allow it?.

I see what you mean.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QiV9xn0RbI

NotASheeple · 24-07-2014 03:18PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

I agree wounds vary.

And your qualifications to determine this is based on what? I love these self appointed armchair experts that don't know their arse from their elbow.

R P McMurphy · 24-07-2014 03:18PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

No, I'm saying that they are getting what they voted for. Big difference.

As for civilians - I've said it before and I will say it again.
You need to decide which is it, out of only two possible options:
Either the Israelis don't care about the civilians or they do care.

If you agree that they care, then you can accept that mistakes happen in the chaos of war and understand that Israel didn't target civilians on purpose.

If you don't agree that they care - then answer me this:
why are they calling Palestinians and warning them to leave before bombing?
why are they dropping leaflets?
why are they sometimes cancelling attacks when they see civilians?
why did they set up a field hospital for wounded Palestinians where Israeli doctors treat the wounded?

Allow me jump the gun, and guess that your answer will be something along the lines of "They are afraid of the international community and public opinion, and that is why they are doing these things, but they don't really care about the civilians".

And here lies the flaw in logic that so many here fail to see:
If the Israelis are soooooo afraid of public opinion and the international community and all that...
Then why would they bomb a school or a mosque or a hospital...
Unless it was used for terrorist activities? Where is the gain?

I don't think that Israel is scared of public opinion at all. I think they are willing to push the boat out as far as possible before an international response becomes a probability. This is something they definitely don't want. As regards warnings to civilians, this is in itself a means of spreading terror among the civilian population. Anyway, where are they supposed to flee to? to one of the shelters?

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 03:20PM

end of the road wrote: »

you wouldn't, you don't, you haven't, you never will.

it doesn't, you condone the genocide.

democratically voted yes, means nothing, no excuse for israels actions.

wrong again, if israel didn't start clenzeing the natives the minute the state came into being and still do to this day then hamas wouldn't exist.

you mean putting their citizens at risk, brilliant strategy

sweet suffering jesus, there is mountains of evidence to prove otherwise.

you are seriously fcuking delusianel, and brainwashed

Frankly, you lost me the moment I saw "Genocide" and "Cleansing". Enjoy the alternate reality you are living in.

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 03:21PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Simple - you don't have to be an extremist to support a ground offensive when you have rockets flying at you.

Can I ask a very basic question here... Are you actually in Israel and if so, have you had rockets flying at you?

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 03:21PM

Nodin wrote: »

But its been verified, so the tinfoil hat blog post really only serves to undermine any other points you try to make.

Verified by whom?

NewCorkLad · 24-07-2014 03:21PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

I don't think that Israel is scared of public opinion at all. I think they are willing to push the boat out as far as possible before an international response becomes necessary. This is something they definitely don't want. As regards warnings to civilians, this is in itself a means of spreading terror among the civilian population. Anyway, where are they supposed to flee to? to one of the shelters?

What I dont get is with their warning systems how do they hope to get anybody from Hamas,they dont care, they will just move on. The only people they will kill are the people whos homes are about to be destroyed and have nowhere else to go.

danniemcq · 24-07-2014 03:22PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Quite a few actually. Look for links on youtube on sniper rifle damage.

And all rifles are the same and use the same ammo and hit the target in the same way and wounds are the same no matter what distance and drop of the bullet and the position of the target

Nodin · 24-07-2014 03:22PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Verified by whom?

New York Times article earlier in the thread.

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 03:23PM

NewCorkLad wrote: »

I see what you mean.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QiV9xn0RbI

Nope, meant something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC_Bide7mlM

BTW - anyone found any peaceful Palestinians calling for peace and a ceasefire yet?

bumper234 · 24-07-2014 03:24PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Nope, meant something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC_Bide7mlM

BTW - anyone found any peaceful Palestinians calling for peace and a ceasefire yet?

Yes i had lunch with him today.

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 03:24PM

NotASheeple wrote: »

And your qualifications to determine this is based on what? I love these self appointed armchair experts that don't know their arse from their elbow.

The chances of no blood when a man is shot 3 times by a sniper rifle is 0.

bumper234 · 24-07-2014 03:26PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

The chances of no blood when a man is shot 3 times by a sniper rifle is 0.

Is this your expert opinion? If so what qualifications do you hold? How many people have you seen that have been shot to base your factual post on this? Please post a link to a "sniper rifle" that the man in question was shot with.

danniemcq · 24-07-2014 03:26PM

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Verified by whom?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/world/middleeast/palestinian-family-finds-missing-son-in-youtube-video-of-his-shooting.html?_r=0

mainly this part

The activists provided 15 minutes 45 seconds of raw footage to The New York Times for review, and although it bears no apparent signs of manipulation, it also offers no clear evidence of the gunman’s identity.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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