Archie D Bunker wrote: » If that was true - how come there are Israelis demonstrating freely to stop the war, to free Gaza, etc? Would extremists allow it?
Archie D Bunker wrote: » I would be the first to always make the distinction between Hamas and the Palestinians when applicable.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » my heart goes to the suffering Palestinians - in particular all the innocent children.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » at the end of the day - the Palestinians made a choice between Hamas and Fatah. One was corrupt but headed for peace, and the other was corrupt and promised Jihad. The Palestinians democratically (right?) elected Hamas, and they still support it and its Jihadist targets.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » They are responsible for Hamas as much as Hamas is responsible for them.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » I completely understand that Israel has to defend its own citizens first and only then think about enemy citizens.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » I see that the Israelis are doing the best they can not to hurt civilians - more than any other army in the world.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » I know that war is chaos and I'm amazed at how the Israelis manage to avoid killing so many more civilians given the conditions on the ground.
At least 15 people have been killed and more than 200 injured when a UN-run school used as a shelter in Gaza was shelled, the Gaza health ministry says.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Hamas themselves have been known to handle Christians in a "loving" fashion.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Not at the expense of its people. The Israelis have shelters and iron dome. The Palestinians have what?
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Instead of using the aid they got to build dozens (if not more) of terror tunnels meant to attack Israeli civilians, they could have used the aid to build bomb shelters for their own people. Didn't build even one did they?
I Heart Internet wrote: » Did you actually read those links? One is a denial that Hamas militants have turned up in Syria and the other concerns a statement from the leader of ISIS essentially saying that the time isn't right for all out war on Israel - they're taking a systematic approach to the growth of their caliphate and killing Israeli's today would upset that. They're on the list though. Hilarious.
Otacon wrote: » 2. The IDF didn't know what they were hitting. Therefore, they are negligent and guilty of slaughtering at least 15 people in this case.
R P McMurphy wrote: » So basically you are saying that the people in Gaza are getting what they deserve is that it? As for doing their best not to hurt civilians, well there is ample evidence every day that this is definitely not the case. So do you put all of the civilian deaths down to pure incompetence on the part of the IDF?
bumper234 wrote: » You have obviously never seen a real world GSW.
fedor.2. wrote: » So, just checking I'm up to speed. Hamas were launching rockets from a hospital, Israel gave warnings that it was about to attack said hospital. Israel attempted, repeatedly, to get clarification, on whether the hospital was evacuated. This clarification was not forthcoming. Am I rite so far?
danniemcq wrote: » entry wounds aren't that spectacular as you may be led to believe by tv and movies. The real damage would be on the exit would which would not be visable in the video. Idealy you don't even want a bullet to exit the target. As i said earlier you would either want it to sxpand/explode inside the body where the shrapnel will tear everything apart or have the whole bullet tumble through the body ripping and tearing everything.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » As for civilians - I've said it before and I will say it again. You need to decide which is it, out of only two possible options: Either the Israelis don't care about the civilians or they do care.
Warper wrote: » The majority of Israelites supports the ground offensive - how is that not a majority?
Archie D Bunker wrote: » I agree wounds vary. In any case - there was other evidence in the analysis to suggest it was fake.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » If that was true - how come there are Israelis demonstrating freely to stop the war, to free Gaza, etc? Would extremists allow it?.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » I agree wounds vary.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » No, I'm saying that they are getting what they voted for. Big difference. As for civilians - I've said it before and I will say it again. You need to decide which is it, out of only two possible options: Either the Israelis don't care about the civilians or they do care. If you agree that they care, then you can accept that mistakes happen in the chaos of war and understand that Israel didn't target civilians on purpose. If you don't agree that they care - then answer me this: why are they calling Palestinians and warning them to leave before bombing? why are they dropping leaflets? why are they sometimes cancelling attacks when they see civilians? why did they set up a field hospital for wounded Palestinians where Israeli doctors treat the wounded? Allow me jump the gun, and guess that your answer will be something along the lines of "They are afraid of the international community and public opinion, and that is why they are doing these things, but they don't really care about the civilians". And here lies the flaw in logic that so many here fail to see: If the Israelis are soooooo afraid of public opinion and the international community and all that... Then why would they bomb a school or a mosque or a hospital... Unless it was used for terrorist activities? Where is the gain?
end of the road wrote: » you wouldn't, you don't, you haven't, you never will. it doesn't, you condone the genocide. democratically voted yes, means nothing, no excuse for israels actions. wrong again, if israel didn't start clenzeing the natives the minute the state came into being and still do to this day then hamas wouldn't exist. you mean putting their citizens at risk, brilliant strategy sweet suffering jesus, there is mountains of evidence to prove otherwise. you are seriously fcuking delusianel, and brainwashed
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Simple - you don't have to be an extremist to support a ground offensive when you have rockets flying at you.
Nodin wrote: » But its been verified, so the tinfoil hat blog post really only serves to undermine any other points you try to make.
R P McMurphy wrote: » I don't think that Israel is scared of public opinion at all. I think they are willing to push the boat out as far as possible before an international response becomes necessary. This is something they definitely don't want. As regards warnings to civilians, this is in itself a means of spreading terror among the civilian population. Anyway, where are they supposed to flee to? to one of the shelters?
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Quite a few actually. Look for links on youtube on sniper rifle damage.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Verified by whom?
NewCorkLad wrote: » I see what you mean.www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QiV9xn0RbI
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Nope, meant something like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC_Bide7mlM BTW - anyone found any peaceful Palestinians calling for peace and a ceasefire yet?
NotASheeple wrote: » And your qualifications to determine this is based on what? I love these self appointed armchair experts that don't know their arse from their elbow.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » The chances of no blood when a man is shot 3 times by a sniper rifle is 0.
The activists provided 15 minutes 45 seconds of raw footage to The New York Times for review, and although it bears no apparent signs of manipulation, it also offers no clear evidence of the gunman’s identity.
