Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

bumper234 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Tony EH wrote: »

This has to be one of the dumbest fucking posts I have ever read, on any forum, anywhere on the internet and that's some competition.

He obviously has molluscophobia an extreme fear of snails

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Im going to attend the protest tonight on St Stephen green at 5.30pm after work. Not sure what to expect. Never attended one before. Anyone else going?

Its disgusting that the world are letting Israel away with murder literally. History will judge the current generation badly on this.

Expect either no one or 100 000 000 people to attend, depending on who you believe

So, been looking in on this thread occasionally, think I'll throw in my 2 bobs worth.
I lived outside gaza in a small Israeli town for several years in the 90's. My friends still live there, their kids that were toddlers back then are now in the IDF, missiles have been falling on their homes from gaza for years but obviously recently things have taken on a new intensity, people I lived and worked withs families have been killed by sucidie bombings and Qasam rocket attacks.
Maybe there is a higher agenda somewhere but I can tell you that those kids I knew 20 years ago are on the streets in gaza protecting their homes from terrorist attack. They don't want to be there, they have girlfriends at home, parents and siblings, some of them will not get home unfortunately ever again but they are doing what they have to do.
Really, you would stand idly by???
Let's say you live in kenmare and the lads in Killarney are firing rockets at you every night, they don't care where they land, why would they? They fail to recognise kenmares existence or it's peoples right to live there.
The authorities in Killarney don't give a crap or try to stop the missle attacks, meanwhile you in kenmare have access to some serious military firepower.
What are you going to do...?
I worked with Palestinians during the good and peaceful times in the 90's, the borders were open people travelled freely between gaza and Israel, Israelies don't want to send their kids into gaza to street warfare, lots don't come home. They would much prefer things were nice and quiet but this is what happens when people are pushed to breaking.
The situation is terrible and yes there probably are bigger contributing issues such as settling of the West Bank which I don't agree with but this particular thread is about people dying in gaza yes as part of this action?
It's easily fixed, get Hamas to stop carrying out terrorist attacks on israeli civilians and accept any one of the cease fires on offer.
Personally if somebody was firing missiles at my kids I wouldn't be half as restrained as the IDF.
Yes, civilians are getting killed, not intentionally mind you but what can you do, you repeatedly launch missiles from the top floor of a civilian building, how long before the building becomes a legitimate target. When it gets destroyed and innocent people get killed who is to blame, both sides I think, not just one?
So people are off singing and chanting around parks in Dublin, super, maybe sing a song for the 1000's dying in Syria, no? Why not? Because it's not fashionable? Easier to ignore all the other conflicts and focus on the one with the underdog fighting the bully?
Thing is the "underdog" started the fight, that's just bloody stupid.
Really? You want to go off to heaven after blowing yourself up, fine off you go, just do it somewhere out of the way and don't come over all innocent if you try to take your neighbours with you and they slap the bomb out of your hand and kick your ass.
I won't go as far as saying I'm pro-Israeli anymore, I was when I lived there probably but it really pee's me off when people that sound like they are around 16 years old and have never left Dublin think they know what's going on in a land that has had a Jewish state since before JC himself and have been fighting for survival since the 1940's. What do you think would happen if Israel laid down its weapons tomorrow, peace? No, Israel would be obliterated by her neighbours, they have to do what's right by their citizens to protect them and show strength and resolve.

d.pop wrote: »

It's easily fixed, get Hamas to stop carrying out terrorist attacks on israeli civilians and accept any one of the cease fires on offer.

Or get the Israeli government to evacuate the thousands of illegitimately settled acres of land belonging to Palestinian civilians for starters?

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

no you wouldn't

Except that I would. Just as I'm more pissed off at FF for destroying the economy in the first place than I am at Germany for f*cking up the Euro recovery efforts.

My name is URL wrote: »

Not intentionally? They've bombed hospitals, schools & homes for the sick and elderly.. and you expect people to swallow the claim that civilians are not intentionally being killed?

Pull the other one.. it has bells on

This just from a few hours ago -

http://www.jta.org/2014/07/23/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/israel-fires-on-gaza-school-sheltering-displaced-palestinians

Honestly, the shelling of Gaza has about as much to do with valid military targets as the Black and Tans' raids on Cork and Croker. How anyone can fail to see the obvious element of reprisal against civilians and collective punishment here bewilders me.

d.pop wrote: »

Said in my post i don't agree with Israel's settlement policy, this particular crisis is a result of increased hostility on part of Hamas, yes, yes, possibly precipitated by israeli policy elsewhere but this is about a terrorist organization attacking civilians in Israel and those civilians defending themselves. Your ideals are admirable, good luck deflecting rockets with them... I'd prefer iron dome and 60,000 troops on my side.

Are you able to look up figures? the people dying on one side of this conflict are civilians

d.pop wrote: »

Said in my post i don't agree with Israel's settlement policy, this particular crisis is a result of increased hostility on part of Hamas, yes, yes, possibly precipitated by israeli policy elsewhere

You mean when Israel broke the ceasefire, arrested a large number of Hamas members, random Palestinians and murdered a few of them, after blaming Hamas on something they didn't do.

d.pop wrote: »

but this is about a terrorist organization attacking civilians in Israel

As much as I dislike Hamas, they are the legitimate government in Gaza, and were also in talks to enter into a unity government, to end the split between the Palestinian factions, before the most recent murderous assault by the IDF. Having said that, Hamas's indiscriminate rocket fire is a war crime, which they should end immediately.

d.pop wrote: »

and those civilians defending themselves.

Murdering children playing football on a beach is not self defense, but is a war crime.

d.pop wrote: »

Your ideals are admirable, good luck deflecting rockets with them... I'd prefer iron dome and 60,000 troops on my side.

Well, when those 60,000 troops are engaged in aggression via a settlement project to illegally expand you nations border, via murder, terrorism, a criminal siege targeting every Man, Woman and Child in a densely populated coastal region turned into a giant open air prison, any claims of "self defense" are at best delusional, if not out and out deception.

Someone really needs to shout "stop!" over there. They've lost the run of themselves.

The entire situation makes my blood boil, Israel as a country makes my blood boil.

What can actually be done? Powerless to stop them and their extermination of the Palestinians.

d.pop wrote: »

Let's say you live in kenmare and the lads in Killarney are firing rockets at you every night, they don't care where they land, why would they? They fail to recognise kenmares existence or it's peoples right to live there.
The authorities in Killarney don't give a crap or try to stop the missle attacks, meanwhile you in kenmare have access to some serious military firepower.
What are you going to do...?

is kenmare heming the people of Killarney in like animals with nothing and then bombing the **** out of them and using for example the 1798 rebellion as an excuse

d.pop wrote: »

They would much prefer things were nice and quiet but this is what happens when people are pushed to breaking.

exactly, heming people in like animals and bombing the **** out of them kind of does that to you

d.pop wrote: »

It's easily fixed, get Hamas to stop carrying out terrorist attacks on israeli civilians and accept any one of the cease fires on offer.

it can be fixed, both sides should stop terrorist attacks and accept any one of the cease fires on offer.

d.pop wrote: »

Personally if somebody was firing missiles at my kids I wouldn't be half as restrained as the IDF.

the IDF restrained? yeah right

d.pop wrote: »

Yes, civilians are getting killed, not intentionally mind you but what can you do

stop killing civilians

d.pop wrote: »

you repeatedly launch missiles from the top floor of a civilian building, how long before the building becomes a legitimate target.

a civilian building is not a legitimate target, ever

d.pop wrote: »

So people are off singing and chanting around parks in Dublin, super, maybe sing a song for the 1000's dying in Syria, no? Why not? Because it's not fashionable?

i'm sure people are doing it for other conflicts

d.pop wrote: »

Easier to ignore all the other conflicts and focus on the one with the underdog fighting the bully?

people aren't ignoring other conflicts, but they aren't being discussed in this thread.

d.pop wrote: »

Thing is the "underdog" started the fight

they didn't though, it was arrests of innocent people by the israelies that more or less started the current situation off.

d.pop wrote: »

don't come over all innocent

i agree, but the israely government refuse to do otherwise

d.pop wrote: »

a land that has had a Jewish state since before JC himself and have been fighting for survival since the 1940's.

the jewish state existed since 1948 only, they were given borders but in 1967 they stole more land.

d.pop wrote: »

what do you think would happen if Israel laid down its weapons tomorrow, peace? No, Israel would be obliterated by her neighbours, they have to do what's right by their citizens to protect them and show strength and resolve.

heres an idea, maybe israel shouldn't have been set up in an area where it was known all this was a possibility, or maybe, not wiping out the natives from the very start