Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

mad muffin · 23-07-2014 10:38AM

Aaaaand the circle jerk continues.

I'm out.

Buzz Killington the third · 23-07-2014 10:38AM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

So the point is they are not war crimes until a court is law says they are.

A war crime is a serious violation of the laws and customs of war (also known as international humanitarian law) giving rise to individual criminal responsibility. Examples of war crimes such as:

murdering, mistreating, or deporting civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labor camps
murdering or mistreating prisoners of war or civilian internees
forcing protected persons to serve in the forces of a hostile power
killing hostages
killing or punishing spies or other persons convicted of war crimes without a fair trial
wantonly destroying cities, towns, villages, or any object not warranted by military necessity

Also:

The Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, commonly referred to as the Fourth Geneva Convention and abbreviated as GCIV, is one of the four treaties of the Geneva Conventions. It was adopted in August 1949, and defines humanitarian protections for civilians in a war zone. There are currently 196 countries party to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, including this and the other three treaties.

Israel are one of the 196 countries!

wes · 23-07-2014 10:39AM

mad muffin wrote: »

The Israeli siege will end. The Palestinians just need to stop voting for terrorists to govern them and harbouring them.

So the Bin Laden defense again. Your hypocrisy is astounding, you are someone who supports attacks on civilians via the siege and tries to justify it by saying, well they voted for Hamas.

Are you so blinded, that you can't see that Hamas could turn around and justify there attacks, by saying the exact same thing, in regards to the Israeli populace?

As, I said earlier, you don't have a leg to stand on in this debate, you already support attacks on civilians via the siege, and make false claims in regards to people supporting Hamas attacks.

eeepaulo · 23-07-2014 10:40AM

Anthony Charles Lynton Blair has the title Middle east peace envoy

(oh sorry he is working class, so call me tony)

Orwell couldnt have made that up

On monday he was having a reunion with some chums in london

Nice one tony

wes · 23-07-2014 10:40AM

mad muffin wrote: »

Aaaaand the circle jerk continues.

I'm out.

Well, that will certainly make the thread better, seeing we won't have to listen to your rather disgusting support for attacks on civilians via your support for Israel's siege.

mad muffin · 23-07-2014 10:49AM

wes wrote: »

So the Bin Laden defense again. Your hypocrisy is astounding, you are someone who supports attacks on civilians via the siege and tries to justify it by saying, well they voted for Hamas.

Are you so blinded, that you can't see that Hamas could turn around and justify there attacks, by saying the exact same thing, in regards to the Israeli populace?

As, I said earlier, you don't have a leg to stand on in this debate, you already support attacks on civilians via the siege, and make false claims in regards to people supporting Hamas attacks.

I will say one last thing.

Just like Sinn Féin had to distance themselves from the IRA and have the IRA disband and hand over weapons to become a legitimate political party, and for the peace proses to go ahead in the North. So will the Palestinians will have to distance themselves from Hamas.

Buzz Killington the third · 23-07-2014 10:52AM

mad muffin wrote: »

I will say one last thing.

Just like Sinn Féin had to distance themselves from the IRA and have the IRA disband and hand over weapons to become a legitimate political party, and for the peace proses to go ahead in the North. So will the Palestinians will have to distance themselves from Hamas.

So Israel should withdraw their armies and stop their rocket attacks too. Or is it just the side that's getting wiped out that have to drop their defence systems?

wes · 23-07-2014 11:03AM

mad muffin wrote: »

Just like Sinn Féin had to distance themselves from the IRA and have the IRA disband and hand over weapons to become a legitimate political party, and for the peace proses to go ahead in the North. So will the Palestinians will have to distance themselves from Hamas.

Your comparing a political party, to a ethnic group. Sorry, but you have completely lost the plot imho, and are further justifying violence against civilians with your nonsense comparison.

smoking_kills · 23-07-2014 11:06AM

wes wrote: »

Your comparing a political party, to a ethnic group. Sorry, but you have completely lost the plot imho, and are further justifying violence against civilians with your nonsense comparison.

Hamas ARE a political party, what r u on about? They won the election in 2007.

wes · 23-07-2014 11:30AM

smoking_kills wrote: »

Hamas ARE a political party, what r u on about? They won the election in 2007.

Ok, its amazing that I have to explain this:

mad muffin wrote: »

Just like Sinn Féin had to distance themselves from the IRA and have the IRA disband and hand over weapons to become a legitimate political party, and for the peace proses to go ahead in the North. So will the Palestinians will have to distance themselves from Hamas.

Ok, so as you can see above, Sinn Fein (a political party), are being compared to Palestinians (a national/ethnic groups) e.g. the poster above states that Palestinians will have to distance themselves, like Sinn Fein did from the IRA. Its comparing a Palestinians (a national ethnic group) to a Sinn Fein (a political party).

As it stands the context of this is the following earlier post:

mad muffin wrote: »

The Israeli siege will end. The Palestinians just need to stop voting for terrorists to govern them and harbouring them.

The above is justifying violence against civilians, specifically the illegal siege, but could be seen as justification of any and all IDF violence against Palestinians.

Same logic could easily be used to justify Hamas rocket attacks, and post like that (have been a few using the same logic) is just making excuses for violence against civilians.

Arthur Beesley · 23-07-2014 11:41AM

wes wrote: »

Again, with the sophistry. You know full well, that a war crime can occur or any crime for that matter, without someone being found guilty in a court of law.

So, again try harder.

So you can't seem to make up your mind, Wes.

smoking_kills · 23-07-2014 11:42AM

wes wrote: »

Ok, its amazing that I have to explain this:

Ok, so as you can see above, Sinn Fein (a political party), are being compared to Palestinians (a national/ethnic groups) e.g. the poster above states that Palestinians will have to distance themselves, like Sinn Fein did from the IRA. Its comparing a Palestinians (a national ethnic group) to a Sinn Fein (a political party).

As it stands the context of this is the following earlier post:

The above is justifying violence against civilians, specifically the illegal siege, but could be seen as justification of any and all IDF violence against Palestinians.

Same logic could easily be used to justify Hamas rocket attacks, and post like that (have been a few using the same logic) is just making excuses for violence against civilians.

Heres a hair and a knife! have fun.

Its clear he ment seperation from the political party Hamas, as they have no interest in peace.

chrysagon · 23-07-2014 11:46AM

we are getting the usual political hum drum all froth and no beer aproach to the middle east from lack lustre politicians...

wes · 23-07-2014 11:51AM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

So you can't seem to make up your mind, Wes.

Again, you have nothing to add of value. You know full well what I said, and again you come with the same old tired nonsense. Again, do try harder.

wes · 23-07-2014 11:52AM

smoking_kills wrote: »

Heres a hair and a knife! have fun.

Its clear he ment seperation from the political party Hamas, as they have no interest in peace.

Its clear that he was justifying attacks on civilians, per his support for Israel's siege.

Also, a national/ethnic group are not the same as a political party, and that comparison is just the latest in a line of taught to justify attacks on civilians.

bumper234 · 23-07-2014 11:58AM

Kinda puts it into perspective

Israel-defending discourse, reduced to its essence http://t.co/pGoDvppfFm

Arthur Beesley · 23-07-2014 12:02PM

wes wrote: »

Again, you have nothing to add of value. You know full well what I said, and again you come with the same old tired nonsense. Again, do try harder.

wes wrote: »

Oh please enough with the sophistry, no one is buying it. It is common for people who believe in the rule of law, to use terms like maybe until a court case has happened. Your suggestion are typical of someone losing an argument and just doing there best to frustrate people. I get it, your taking the piss, and looking to get a rise out of people.

wes wrote: »

Again, with the sophistry. You know full well, that a war crime can occur or any crime for that matter, without someone being found guilty in a court of law.

So, again try harder.

As I said, make up your mind.

wes · 23-07-2014 12:35PM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

As I said, make up your mind.

Thanks for showing my consistency!

Arthur Beesley · 23-07-2014 12:38PM

wes wrote: »

Thanks for showing my consistency!

:rolleyes: Funny guy. Looks like you have difficulty reading.

end of the road · 23-07-2014 12:43PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Yeah, nothing to do with those pesky rockets.

we agree at last, nothing to do with rockets

eeepaulo · 23-07-2014 12:44PM

If I was asked to imagine a scene in which Wes and Arthur were discussing this it would be Wes as a wizened old man sat in a rocking chair on his porch attempting to explain to the seven year old at his feet how the world works

Hey arthur say "whhhhhy?"

bumper234 · 23-07-2014 12:47PM

Israel is alienating the US mainstream media

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel-alienating-mainstream.html

It’s happening: we are at last seeing significant American mainstream dissent from the Israeli line during this conflict. There is growing space to voice criticism of our closest friend in the Middle East because of what is widely perceived to be a “disaster” unfolding in Gaza

Arthur Beesley · 23-07-2014 12:50PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

If I was asked to imagine a scene in which Wes and Arthur were discussing this it would be Wes as a wizened old man sat in a rocking chair on his porch attempting to explain to the seven year old at his feet how the world works

Hey arthur say "whhhhhy?"

That explains why Wes can't read - his eyesight must be gone.

end of the road · 23-07-2014 12:58PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Hello Hamas mouthpiece. Meet kettle.

be gone little troll

wes · 23-07-2014 01:09PM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

:rolleyes: Funny guy. Looks like you have difficulty reading.

At least I can read...... Again, please try a bit harder. You have been boring for at least for the last 5 pages.

wes · 23-07-2014 01:11PM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

That explains why Wes can't read - his eyesight must be gone.

See, now you are at least funny.

Akrasia · 23-07-2014 01:13PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Where is your reports of the FAA and EASA halting flight travel to Tel Aviv because Hamas is now firing rockets at airplanes and at the airport?

Of course your not. It doesn't gel with your, Israel are murdering terrorists circle jerk. :rolleyes:

You guys are something else. Frothing at the mouth for some Israeli blood. Crying out, not enough Israelis are dying.

Ridicules.

Israel attacks airports too
In 2006 Israel destroyed the civilian airport in Beiruit.

It's completely unacceptable for either side to target civilian infrastructure but Israel have absolutely no problem with levelling cities and destroying infrastructure if they think it will help their cause

mad muffin · 23-07-2014 01:14PM

end of the road wrote: »

be gone little troll

Oh snap…

Hello mr Pot :rolleyes:

Buzz Killington the third · 23-07-2014 01:16PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Israel attacks airports too
In 2006 Israel destroyed the civilian airport in Beiruit.

It's completely unacceptable for either side to target civilian infrastructure but Israel have absolutely no problem with levelling cities and destroying infrastructure if they think it will help their cause

Israeli supporters will probably say "Well it wouldn't happen if Hamas got missile defence systems now would it..."

bumper234 · 23-07-2014 01:20PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Aaaaand the circle jerk continues.

I'm out.

mad muffin wrote: »

I will say one last thing.

Just like Sinn Féin had to distance themselves from the IRA and have the IRA disband and hand over weapons to become a legitimate political party, and for the peace proses to go ahead in the North. So will the Palestinians will have to distance themselves from Hamas.

mad muffin wrote: »

Oh snap…

Hello mr Pot :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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