Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

Knex* · 23-07-2014 11:15AM

Since Johnson came back from his injury, he tanks out in the last 15 minutes of a game. Dead on his feet.

He had a few games where he ran his ass off, but his final delivery was poor, yet he was always an outlet. And then in final few minutes his body packed it in. He got slated harshly for those games.

He then had a few more games whereby he was lethargic with the ball in attacking positions, and laboursome in his passing and touch. Most noticeable, was just after Christmas, and the final couple games of the season.

I still think he's "grand", but I do think we can improve on him. I don't think he'll be as poor as last season, however. I like the idea of bringing in youth alongside him, and letting them battle it out for a while, tbh.

skywalker · 23-07-2014 11:16AM

BenThere wrote: »

I think this deal is a very sensible one. It puts pressure on Johnson to perform this season. Lot's of guys in the last year of their contract throw a strop if they aren't offered another mega bucks contract and end up doing the minimum possible/protecting themselves whilst they concentrate on trying to get a deal elsewhere. Having a hungry young RB understudy will prevent the club being held hostage by Johnson. If Johnson plays well and earns a new contract at wages reflective of his age/form it's a win win for everyone but if he's not happy with the contract offered by the club or loses form we have a back up who will hopefully grab his chance with both hands and if he performs we have an option to buy at a sensible price.

A great deal all round.

Ben

Thats all pretty sensible. The only query Id have is whether we could/should have offered that back up slot to Wisdom this year instead of loaning him. Although if he gets a lot of playing time at West Brom its a non issue.

K-9 · 23-07-2014 11:17AM

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

I nearly would use it as my sig.

In stitches at Saville and the Goose. I'm going to hell.

tritium · 23-07-2014 11:17AM

brevity wrote: »

I don't think Johnson suits the way we play any more as we don't have someone like Masch or Lucas covering the RB when he goes forward.

And yet we continue to be linked with with attacking players in that position and to not be linked with covering defensive midfielder

Chip Whitley · 23-07-2014 11:21AM

So Manquillo is known in Spain as Manqui?

I think we can all agree that henceforth he shall be known as Manky.

Knex* · 23-07-2014 11:28AM

In fairness to Luckycharms, he can't start a winning match thread to save his life, but he sure as hell knows how to photoshop.

BenEadir · 23-07-2014 11:29AM

skywalker wrote: »

Thats all pretty sensible. The only query Id have is whether we could/should have offered that back up slot to Wisdom this year instead of loaning him. Although if he gets a lot of playing time at West Brom its a non issue.

Exactly. Wisdom on loan at WBA should = lot's of games and enough premier league experience to step into Johnsons shoes next year if Johnson leaves (with Manquillo competing for the RB spot also) or preferably in another year or two if Johnson does enough to keep the spot for a couple of years by which time he is 32 and Wisdom and Manquillo are ready made replacements.

Ben

Will I Amnt · 23-07-2014 11:32AM

Knex. wrote: »

In fairness to Luckycharms, he can't start a winning match thread to save his life, but he sure as hell knows how to photoshop.

I just hope he remembered to delete his browsing history :pac:

Luckycharms_74 · 23-07-2014 11:38AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I just hope he remembered to delete his browsing history :pac:

Private Browsing FTW :P

Turtyturd · 23-07-2014 11:47AM

That could only be improved by sticking in the chickatee from hangballlouie's masterpiece.

Leslie91 · 23-07-2014 11:49AM

Son is mad keen on a Sakho shirt for this season but I'm not convinced he will stick with #17 esp if Kolo leaves... Anybody got any inkling as to the chances of both happening?

Would hate to buy it and have him wearing #4 in a mth... is there a cut off date after which the player cannot change number anybody know?

Cjs21 · 23-07-2014 11:52AM

Speaking of Shirt numbers, not sure if anyone posted it as I've been away for a week but Lambert is gonna wear No.9 next year so No.7 is still available

brevity · 23-07-2014 11:54AM

tritium wrote: »

And yet we continue to be linked with with attacking players in that position and to not be linked with covering defensive midfielder

I suppose any new RB would hopefully be quicker getting back into defence than Johnson thus negating the need for a DM to cover that position.

EDIT: Either way, I do think we need covering defensive midfielder.

super_furry · 23-07-2014 11:57AM

The more I think about Lovren, the more I think it'd be a great deal for us, especially when you see a 30-year-old like Matieu go for €20m. There seems to be a lack of quality defenders available and I reckon he'd fit right in.

smileyj1987 · 23-07-2014 12:24PM

super_furry wrote: »

The more I think about Lovren, the more I think it'd be a great deal for us, especially when you see a 30-year-old like Matieu go for €20m. There seems to be a lack of quality defenders available and I reckon he'd fit right in.

If Rodgers believes lovren is the right center back for LFC then just sit down southampton and sort it out .

MD1990 · 23-07-2014 12:40PM

Lovren was the best CB in the PL last year before ankle injury & he lost form for a few games after that. An excellent defender who I would have no problem if we payed 20m for.

Utopia Parkway · 23-07-2014 12:41PM

I actually think Johnson might have a return to form this season for no other reason than it is a contract year for him. So he has to impress to have any chance of getting any kind of new contract from Liverpool or to put himself in the shop window for others.

I think Liverpool have already decided to move on from him though.

Underpaid Mike · 23-07-2014 12:51PM

Good scouting report on Moreno who looks increasingly like our new left back once the fee gets hammered out
http://www.cravingfootball.co.uk/scouting-report-alberto-moreno.html

Here is the verdict on him

Both Liverpool and Spurs have struggled in finding a reliable, defensively sound but attack minded left-back. The former have tried, and failed, with Jose Enrique and Aly Cissokho, while the latter have had to make do with Danny Rose. So, if the rumoured £16m valuation of a 21 year-old Spanish international is to be believed, Moreno would be a fantastic addition at a cut-price. In time, his defending nous will improve and, growing into his body, his upper body strength and ability to hold off players will develop. Fast and agile, Moreno is, without a doubt, a shoo-in for Spain's left-back role for years to come.

MD1990 · 23-07-2014 12:57PM

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490931/Liverpool-now-better-placed-than-Man-Utd-or-Real-to-pull-off-42-5m-Arturo-Vidal-move

If we could get Vidal it would be a huge signing. Probably unlikely though.

Utopia Parkway · 23-07-2014 01:01PM

MD1990 wrote: »

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490931/Liverpool-now-better-placed-than-Man-Utd-or-Real-to-pull-off-42-5m-Arturo-Vidal-move

If we could get Vidal it would be a huge signing. Probably unlikely though.

Would be exciting but I think the Express is not very reliable.

x43r0 · 23-07-2014 01:05PM

Some of the french papers are reporting the Remy deal as done - 5yr deal

The Moldy Gowl · 23-07-2014 01:10PM

MD1990 wrote: »

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490931/Liverpool-now-better-placed-than-Man-Utd-or-Real-to-pull-off-42-5m-Arturo-Vidal-move

If we could get Vidal it would be a huge signing. Probably unlikely though.

Just curious, do you think he would choose liverpool over man utd or madrid?

T-K-O · 23-07-2014 01:12PM

hefferboi wrote: »

Can't actually believe people are defending Johnson. Johnson wouldn't even defend Johnson because Johnson can't fcuking defend!

He used to be good going forward, used to be alright defensively but this season alone he's been absolute muck in every game bar maybe 2 at most where he was average. Maybe Inwas watching different games to ye but every time I saw him he seemed to give away the ball high up the pitch, get caught out of position and looked liked he just didn't give a single fcuk.

I wouldn't have him in the squad if he was paying us to play him, and that's no exaggeration. He's gone to cole/downing/Moses levels of hate for me, where I actually can't bear to look at him strolling around the place anymore.

And I usually give anyone who plays for us all the time in the world to get it right but Johnson just boils my blood after the season he's had.

Clouds judgment does hate.

MD1990 · 23-07-2014 01:12PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Just curious, do you think he would choose liverpool over man utd or madrid?

Madrid won't be signing him they are overloaded in CM. I could see Vidal choosing Liverpool instead of Man Utd as we have CL football.

T-K-O · 23-07-2014 01:15PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Ah now jaysus. :eek:

Johnson has been frustrating, but the main reason he's been so is because he has shown in brief periods that he clearly still has what it takes to play at this level and play well.

Whereas with the likes of Cole, the chap not only didn't give a bollix, I'd question if he even had any ability left to contribute at this level. Moses, also didn't give a crap and well, was crap anyway.

Never really had a problem with Downing, he eventually knuckled down, he just wasn't good enough in the end.

TBH, I don't think Johnson's problem is lack of trying or care, I just think for whatever reason his head just isn't in it far too often unfortunately.

And lets just forget about the fact that he was playing injured for a period.
Cold hard facts, He's only 30 with a year left, those who believe he doesn't care should believe he'll want a move next summer = lots of effort

SlickRic · 23-07-2014 01:17PM

lol.

Aspas reckons Luis was treated like a "murderer".

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/23/luis-suarez-murderer-liverpool-iago-aspas-barcelona-bite?CMP=twt_gu

retalivity · 23-07-2014 01:21PM

Good lad, Iago, a better defender than an attacker

SlickRic · 23-07-2014 01:21PM

apparently, Remy is taking a paycut to join us of €20k a week.

QPR are hilarious. i'd love to take a gander at their wage bill.

SlickRic · 23-07-2014 01:22PM

retalivity wrote: »

Good lad, Iago, a better defender than an attacker

not really.

he'd have a point if Luis had actually gone to jail.

Washington Irving · 23-07-2014 01:24PM

Iago is a goddamn hero. There's no way two ways about it.

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