Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

Thud · 22-07-2014 04:43PM

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Ok first off its not my table
It is an follow on from a sporting intelligence article which I posted
A guy on reddit adjusted the table out of curiosity to see what it would look like if there wasnt a set fee agree for tv rights like in other countries.

The 36m viewership figure is simply his total revenue figure divided by the £m per viewers number in the right hand column. It is far from data science. It is meant as a "what if"

And for the third time it will make more sense if you actually read the article instead of asking me questions about it :eek:

I'm too lazy to read the article, surely ManU are the bestest club in the world, no?

Raif Severance · 22-07-2014 04:49PM

Fescue wrote: »

He played the entire season at right back for Derby. If he plays at the centre for WBA, then sure he could be a potential centre back for us. I just felt he was ready this season to be part of the first team squad.

We've got alot of Senior CBs in the Squad, ahead of Wisdom in the Pecking Order.

So even if we've Kept him, it will be hard for him to get some Game-Time. And getting Game-Time as well as Experience, is the most Important Thing right now, for a Young Player like Wisdom.

I mean, just look at Kelly. If we are not going to loan Wisdom, then he's going to be like him. Always at Liverpool, but rarely gets to play.

Agent Coulson · 22-07-2014 04:50PM

I am reading on different sites that Marco Reus is going to do the dirt on Dortmund next season and join Bayern the same way Gotze did.

So I guess that rule him out of a move here or anywhere else.

K-9 · 22-07-2014 04:50PM

Fescue wrote: »

Why send Wisdom out on loan and then draft in another young right back from Spain with less experience and a year younger?

I thought after his fine year at Derby he would challenge Glenjo this season. Signing Manquillo suggests to me Wisdom is not rated by the club.

Probably Rodgers feels he isn't quite ready and it's best for his overall development, that doesn't mean he has wrote him off or isn't rated. It's hard to know with young players, we'd all written off Flanagan last season (nobody wanted to take him on even for a loan) and we'd nothing much to go on for that, it wasn't as if he was on loan at a good standard or anything like that.

Sterling got criticised too, even when he came in for his first couple of games, just because he wasn't tearing it up he's shyte, or similar stuff. The problem was he was playing well enough, our play just wasn't as good as it later became for him to blossom. And well, he was a bit rusty after 6 months or more out of first team football.

We get criticised for our use of the loan system and rightly so. Ibe hardly got much time at Birmingham, same happened with a few youths over the last few seasons. This one seems exactly the right thing to do, send him to a good coach (McClaren is despite his faults) at a good standard, now send him to a EPL club with a manager and coach Rodgers seems to know and rate, knows he'll be in good hands.

So, there's a balance between sending them to lower leagues, getting little experience and then expecting them to be ready for the squad, or doing a Chelsea which doesn't seem to work either. They can afford to waste tens of millions invested in the youth set up, we can't. We need to be getting a couple of good prospects coming through every season.

Manquillo, if you look at it a different way, could well be a "loan to see how Wisdom gets on" type thing, if Wisdom does well not much need to buy him, or if both do well, cheerio Glenjo.

I do rate Wisdom, think he's the potential to be a decent squad player at the very least. Did very well all things considered when played for the first team in big matches when he got thrown in at the deep end.

Knex* · 22-07-2014 04:56PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I am reading on different sites that Marco Reus is going to do the dirt on Dortmund next season and join Bayern the same way Gotze did.

So I guess that rule him out of a move here or anywhere else.

Hopefully we manage to make a profit on him when we do sell to Bayern.

Fescue · 22-07-2014 05:12PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

We've got alot of Senior CBs in the Squad, ahead of Wisdom in the Pecking Order.

So even if we've Kept him, it will be hard for him to get some Game-Time. And getting Game-Time as well as Experience, is the most Important Thing right now, for a Young Player like Wisdom.

I mean, just look at Kelly. If we are not going to loan Wisdom, then he's going to be like him. Always at Liverpool, but rarely gets to play.

My feeling is that he is a right back. I think thats why West Brom signed him, he's been given the number 2 shirt as well.

Surely if his future is at right back he's ready to challenge Glen Johnson. I watched Wisdom a number of times last season for Derby and I thought he looked good at right back. Solid.

With the number of games coming up this season, he could easily have pushed on as a player and perhaps even overtaken Johnson. The fact the club are turning to an inexperienced Spanish youngster to provide competition at right back is the confusing part for me.

Strongbow10 · 22-07-2014 05:13PM

K-9 wrote: »

Probably Rodgers feels he isn't quite ready and it's best for his overall development, that doesn't mean he has wrote him off or isn't rated. It's hard to know with young players, we'd all written off Flanagan last season (nobody wanted to take him on even for a loan) and we'd nothing much to go on for that, it wasn't as if he was on loan at a good standard or anything like that.

Sterling got criticised too, even when he came in for his first couple of games, just because he wasn't tearing it up he's shyte, or similar stuff. The problem was he was playing well enough, our play just wasn't as good as it later became for him to blossom. And well, he was a bit rusty after 6 months or more out of first team football.

We get criticised for our use of the loan system and rightly so. Ibe hardly got much time at Birmingham, same happened with a few youths over the last few seasons. This one seems exactly the right thing to do, send him to a good coach (McClaren is despite his faults) at a good standard, now send him to a EPL club with a manager and coach Rodgers seems to know and rate, knows he'll be in good hands.

So, there's a balance between sending them to lower leagues, getting little experience and then expecting them to be ready for the squad, or doing a Chelsea which doesn't seem to work either. They can afford to waste tens of millions invested in the youth set up, we can't. We need to be getting a couple of good prospects coming through every season.

Manquillo, if you look at it a different way, could well be a "loan to see how Wisdom gets on" type thing, if Wisdom does well not much need to buy him, or if both do well, cheerio Glenjo.

I do rate Wisdom, think he's the potential to be a decent squad player at the very least. Did very well all things considered when played for the first team in big matches when he got thrown in at the deep end.

well said re: loans

I'd like to see Wisdom blooded at centre back though at some stage and if he is going to feature at centre half for us at come stage then we will need him to gain experience in that position elsewhere first.

I'm not sure West Brom are going to take a chance on playing him centre half in all honesty though.

Martin Kelly was a similar story. Highly rated at centre half in his early youth at the club, only to play more prominently as a right back with the reserves and also making a breakthrough in that position during a loan move to Huddersfield I believe it was.

Kelly is not cut out for full back in my opinion, technically not going to make a top level full back, but with experience he had a shot at being a good central defender but I fear that ship has sailed unfortunately.

Wisdom hopefully doesn't suffer the same fate as I also believe that whilst physically more suited to playing right back than Kelly, he is simply not good enough on the ball (in terms of his distribution) to be a top class full back.

Underpaid Mike · 22-07-2014 05:17PM

indykaila News ‏@indykaila 5m
Exclusive: Bayern Munich have just made enquires for Marco Reus within last 24 hours.

The least reliable rumourmonger on twitter
Probably safe to assume Reus will never join Bayern if this clown is reporting it.

Didnt Klopp come out and say yesterday that Reus and Hummels will be going no where?

Fescue · 22-07-2014 05:41PM

Obviously don't know much about Javier Manquillo but I did find this image of him in action for Atletico Madrid.

First impressions suggest he is going to be an upgrade on Glen Johnson.

Underpaid Mike · 22-07-2014 05:46PM

Javier Manquillo vs Almeria (A): http://youtu.be/_IuNmSLy4tg?a

kfallon · 22-07-2014 06:19PM

Weren't we linked with Bojan? Has joined Stoke, didn't realise he was still with Barca

Turtyturd · 22-07-2014 06:20PM

Fescue wrote: »

Obviously don't know much about Javier Manquillo but I did find this image of him in action for Atletico Madrid.

First impressions suggest he is going to be an upgrade on Glen Johnson.

He will never become a favourite of this thread unless he learns how to take a bump.

ASOT · 22-07-2014 06:21PM

kfallon wrote: »

Weren't we linked with Bojan? Has joined Stoke, didn't realise he was still with Barca

Hes been on loan about 183172873 times.

Knex* · 22-07-2014 06:27PM

Robbing this ta fuck...

Lets all have a disco, Sturridge, Sterling, Isco. Lallana-na-na.

Make it happen, Ayre.

Anyone · 22-07-2014 06:32PM

Is there any player we can get in that will wind up opposing fans as much as the now departed Luis?

Knex* · 22-07-2014 06:34PM

Turtyturd is available on a free transfer. Might do the trick.

MD1990 · 22-07-2014 06:34PM

Is there any player we can get in that will wind up opposing fans as much as the now departed Luis?

If we got Vidal it would annoy other fans & b a great signing.

Turtyturd · 22-07-2014 06:40PM

Knex. wrote: »

Turtyturd is available on a free transfer. Might do the trick.

Can also manage a game of 5 a side during Monday lunch time without keeling over so that makes me better than Charlie Adams.

22-07-2014 06:43PM

Turtyturd, I wish him well.

daithijjj · 22-07-2014 06:53PM

Kirby wrote: »

Not sure how you figure that. Nobody outside madrid and barca makes serious money off tv deals in spain. They have the monopoly and they know it. They take a massive chunk of the available money.

None of the also rans have it nearly as well in spain as the also rans in england. The spanish equivalent of aston villa would be getting a pittance compared to villa are.

The point was, that under the same conditions as La Liga, LFC would have been better off by £75m last season. In effect, LFC (plus one or two others) are completely hampered by nothing more than geography in comparison to those who get their own TV rights.

What happens smaller teams is irrelevant. FFP and TV rights money (for example) cannot co-exist unless the UEFA umbrella instructs encourages associations to adopt the same models throughout that umbrella organisation.

Im not sure what you are debating Kirby?.

I am pie · 22-07-2014 06:54PM

Anyone wrote: »

Is there any player we can get in that will wind up opposing fans as much as the now departed Luis?

Chelsea beat us to the punch. Once Costa starts headbutting babies, robbing pensioners and throwing himself to the ground every second minute we'll have the new bete noir of the prem.

Shame really, I liked it when we had pure evil on the pitch.

Fescue · 22-07-2014 06:56PM

I am pie wrote: »

Chelsea beat us to the punch. Once Costa starts headbutting babies, robbing pensioners and throwing himself to the ground every second minute we'll have the new bete noir of the prem.

Shame really, I liked it when we had pure evil on the pitch.

Turtyturd · 22-07-2014 06:59PM

The evil shirt pulling so and so.

Strongbow10 · 22-07-2014 06:59PM

Fescue wrote: »

Have to laugh at the Skrtel photo, I fully expect to see Costa bully and outmuscle Skrtel in our box should they face off this season.

Skrtel's image does not tally with his style of play, he is a pussy cat

daithijjj · 22-07-2014 07:04PM

Manquillo on loan for 2 years with option to buy for 6m is the latest rumour.

K-9 · 22-07-2014 07:08PM

Time to update the sig, stuck through Suarez through and through, even a couple of pms saying it was terrible behaviour having him as my sig and me a politics mod!

Turtyturd · 22-07-2014 07:18PM

K-9 wrote: »

Time to update the sig, stuck through Suarez through and through, even a couple of pms saying it was terrible behaviour having him as my sig and me a politics mod!

That's f*cking ridiculous....good ol 'football' fans.

K-9 · 22-07-2014 07:35PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

That's f*cking ridiculous....good ol 'football' fans.

Ach it gave me a smile.

Grayditch · 22-07-2014 07:38PM

Knex. wrote: »

Turtyturd is available on a free transfer. Might do the trick.

I think he prefers Arsenal, though.

Sir Gallagher · 22-07-2014 07:39PM

K-9 wrote: »

Time to update the sig, stuck through Suarez through and through, even a couple of pms saying it was terrible behaviour having him as my sig and me a politics mod!

You should photoshop a sig containing Jimmy Saville force feeding a goose to produce Foie Gras whilst next to Rolf Harris who's using the flag of Isreal as a wobble board. Might get a better reception.

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