Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

Knex* · 22-07-2014 02:54PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

We are being paid in 625,000,000 packets of Banshee Bones, 10 by the week. Deal should be wrapped up in about a million years or so. Of course the whole landscape of football will have changed by then. Liverpool F.C will be renamed The Peoples Republic of Cabra, captained by none other than a humanoid created through advanced robotics and the DNA of Freddy Adu, who fortunately has ceased living by being encased in a giant globule of amber. His DNA will have been extracted, of course, using the same method as Richard Attenborough's character in Jurrasic Park.

If anyone tells you otherwise, they are a fibber.

Finally, someone has put all this transfer nonsense into plain, Lehman's English.

22-07-2014 03:08PM

Fescue wrote: »

I would imagine that's it for Martin Kelly.

Also likely to be the end of Wisdom at the club if they are pursuing someone younger and less experienced.

There are a lot of players facing the axe in the coming weeks.

I can see Kelly being sold. He has been unlucky with injuries which have hindered his development.

Wisdom is gone on loan to West Brom which could be the makings of him, he needs Premier League experience, hopefully he can nail down the RB slot and gain experience. He is only 21 and I certainly would not write him off having a career with us just yet.

mormank · 22-07-2014 03:17PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

It will be knocked off the fee next season when 'Louie' comes 'home'.

I'll happily settle for that! :P

ArmaniJeanss · 22-07-2014 03:18PM

mormank wrote: »

It's crazy that they get away with that tbh. It gives them such an advantage over other top European clubs. An unfair one imo.

Not really that crazy, other clubs are also free to make their own TV deals but have chosen to go a collective route. But ultimately if an EPL team wished to go it alone then there would be nothing to stop them (though it would cause a major earthquake throughout the English game obviously).

22-07-2014 03:21PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

But ultimately if an EPL team wished to go it alone then there would be nothing to stop them.

Sure about that?

Turtyturd · 22-07-2014 03:22PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

We are being paid in 625,000,000 packets of Banshee Bones, 10 by the week. Deal should be wrapped up in about a million years or so. Of course the whole landscape of football will have changed by then. Liverpool F.C will be renamed The Peoples Republic of Cabra, captained by none other than a humanoid created through advanced robotics and the DNA of Freddy Adu, who fortunately has ceased living by being encased in a giant globule of amber. His DNA will have been extracted, of course, using the same method as Richard Attenborough's character in Jurrasic Park.

If anyone tells you otherwise, they are a fibber.

My initial thought on this was 'I get the banshee bones but how the f*ck did he come up with the rest?'.....it was quickly replaced by 'In a million and 20 years we are going to have a whole team of Freddy Adu T800's because the frog used to create the original can change sex and reproduce with itself.'

K-9 · 22-07-2014 03:24PM

Fescue wrote: »

I would imagine that's it for Martin Kelly.

Also likely to be the end of Wisdom at the club if they are pursuing someone younger and less experienced.

There are a lot of players facing the axe in the coming weeks.

I seriously don't know where people get this view of Wisdom, he seems to be getting treated the right way, loan to Championship, then WBA and should be ready to fit into the squad next season. Whiff of Sterling about this stuff.

Good blog piece on the tour.

The absence of Emre Can was noted too, with the Germany Under-21 international sitting out because of the injury sustained against Preston at the weekend.

He must have got his own private jet over seeing as according to twitter reports he wasn't on the plane yesterday!

Early observations were made, both useful and irreverent. Jordon Ibe looked happy and confident; Fabio Borini looked determined; Jordan Henderson had seemingly grown even taller; Glen Johnson had grown his hair.

Johnson growing more hair is a good sign, shows a competitive streak {get it?) in the important luvly hair competition.

Once a ball was introduced, the players came alive. They split into two groups and worked through the familiar drill of one player being placed in the middle, while those who circled him passed it around. Whoever gave the ball away became the defender.

Close control, movement and first touch were essential. Colin Pascoe, who took one of the groups, exhibited all three routinely. In that group, Philippe Coutinho, Raheem Sterling, Ibe, Gerrard and Adam Lallana contributed to a score of 31.

In the other group, Lazar Markovic shone. His touch was fantastic, even when the ball was drilled at him; the Serbian had even caught the eye earlier, his balletic movement when dribbling a ball quite something.

Nothing particularly new there, well apart from Markovic should be a "fine" player at least.

All this in front of what had now become 40 or 50 spectators, peering through the chainlink fence. Some were fanatical, while others just wanted to see the players in action; one person even dedicated his time to showing Borini a lot of love through song.

My personal bit was the Borini song. suarezistheman?

ArmaniJeanss · 22-07-2014 03:29PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Sure about that?

I think there'd be a hell of a lot of huffing and puffing about it, and threatening to expel them, and major pressure brought to bear.
But assuming its MUFC or Liverpool or Arsenal that we are talking about, the simple truth is that the rest of the league wouldn't expel one of their biggest draws. And ultimately the law would uphold that they are perfectly within their rights to do their own deals for their own home games.

Anyway the precedent is already there throughout the game - teams legally keep every penny of their own matchday ticket revenue, sponsorship, merchandising - TV money is not particularly different.

All imo, I'm no expert.

Washington Irving · 22-07-2014 03:34PM

K-9 wrote: »

Good blog piece on the tour.

He must have got his own private jet over seeing as according to twitter reports he wasn't on the plane yesterday!

If you're talking about the James Pearce tweet he backtracked on that. There were pics of Can boarding the plane in Liverpool. He just didn't train due to the calf injury.

rob316 · 22-07-2014 03:39PM

Its shows how mad transfer fees are gone, Suarez looks an absolute bargain at £75m when you consider James Rodriguez went for £63m. Shame about that buy out clause and probably the last bite we really could have gotten more.

mormank · 22-07-2014 03:39PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Not really that crazy, other clubs are also free to make their own TV deals but have chosen to go a collective route. But ultimately if an EPL team wished to go it alone then there would be nothing to stop them (though it would cause a major earthquake throughout the English game obviously).

Well it gives them a massive financial clout and increases the gap between the richer and poorer clubs in Spain. But ultimately also gives them an advantage over other European clubs.

Underpaid Mike · 22-07-2014 03:53PM

If tv cash was paid out on viewership figures for each team over the season it would look like this. (not done by me but by some nerd on reddit fyi)

ardinn · 22-07-2014 03:53PM

If Barca are a day late with the rest of the payment for Suarez we should take him back! And keep the 54m. That'd be great business!!

Rayne Wooney · 22-07-2014 04:00PM

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

If tv cash was paid out on viewership figures for each team over the season it would look like this. (not done by me but by some nerd on reddit fyi)

Is that not just for BT?

Speak Now · 22-07-2014 04:01PM

ardinn wrote: »

If Barca are a day late with the rest of the payment for Suarez we should take him back! And keep the 54m. That'd be great business!!

Best bit of business done by Rodgers all summer perhaps?

Underpaid Mike · 22-07-2014 04:08PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Is that not just for BT?

Full overview of the cash here
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2014/05/14/where-the-money-went-liverpool-top-premier-league-prize-cash-in-2013-14-140501/

Every club gets an ‘equal’ share of £52,198,111, which derives from domestic TV income (£21,631,444 per club), overseas income (£26,295,817) and commercial income (£4,270,850).
Every club then gets another sum depending on league position, worth £1,236,083 per place in the table, from that sum for bottom-placed Cardiff to £24,721,600 to winners City.

Each club also gets a variable amount depending on how many times they were shown live on Sky or BT this season. Every club got a minimum of £8.6m from this pot, even if they were shown as rarely as Stoke (just seven live televised games). Liverpool, shown 28 times, got £21.9m in these ‘facility fees’.
This season’s rewards are a huge leap on last season’s TV income, with Liverpool earning £42.7m more than season than last, for example.
Clubs have three main revenue streams: match day income (from tickets, corporate dining etcetera), media income (of which the payments listed are the largest but not the only part) and commercial income (from kit deals, sponsorship, merchandise, tours and so on).

Knex* · 22-07-2014 04:09PM

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

If tv cash was paid out on viewership figures for each team over the season it would look like this. (not done by me but by some nerd on reddit fyi)

Our year.

Also, apt username for the post.

Rayne Wooney · 22-07-2014 04:15PM

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Full overview of the cash here
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2014/05/14/where-the-money-went-liverpool-top-premier-league-prize-cash-in-2013-14-140501/

I'm not talking about the cash part, I think those viewership figures are based on BT alone which is a bit misleading because they showed more Liverpool games than any other team and therefore would have had a lot more Liverpool subscribers than Sky or Setanta.

MD1990 · 22-07-2014 04:20PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I'm not talking about the cash part, I think those viewership figures are based on BT alone which is a bit misleading because they showed more Liverpool games than any other team and therefore would have had a lot more Liverpool subscribers than Sky or Setanta.

That is Sky & BT viewership. BT have only 40 games a season. Are u actually reading that chart correctly?

Underpaid Mike · 22-07-2014 04:20PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I'm not talking about the cash part, I think those viewership figures are based on BT alone which is a bit misleading because they showed more Liverpool games than any other team and therefore would have had a lot more Liverpool subscribers than Sky or Setanta.

Did you not read the article? It says they were shown 28 times across sky and BT and explains where the money comes from including MOTD etc

Each club also gets a variable amount depending on how many times they were shown live on Sky or BT this season. Every club got a minimum of £8.6m from this pot, even if they were shown as rarely as Stoke (just seven live televised games). Liverpool, shown 28 times, got £21.9m in these ‘facility fees’.

Rayne Wooney · 22-07-2014 04:24PM

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Did you not read the article? It says they were shown 28 times across sky and BT and explains where the money comes from including MOTD etc

So Liverpool were watched 36 million times last season on all channels?

K-9 · 22-07-2014 04:24PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I'm not talking about the cash part, I think those viewership figures are based on BT alone which is a bit misleading because they showed more Liverpool games than any other team and therefore would have had a lot more Liverpool subscribers than Sky or Setanta.

Just looking at the total number of games and nothing else (don't know enough otherwise tbh) it looks like it is all games. BT were limited in the amount of games they could show from one club, about 10 IIRC, and that was used up in January. Obviously didn't expect us to be in a title challenge or competing for 4th for that matter! Added bonus of not listening to Owen for half a season.

Rayne Wooney · 22-07-2014 04:27PM

K-9 wrote: »

Just looking at the total number of games and nothing else (don't know enough otherwise tbh) it looks like it is all games. BT were limited in the amount of games they could show from one club, about 10 IIRC, and that was used up in January. Obviously didn't expect us to be in a title challenge or competing for 4th for that matter! Added bonus of not listening to Owen for half a season.

I thought it would be a lot higher tbh

K-9 · 22-07-2014 04:28PM

£5.3 Billion in TV revenue (doesn't include MotD and other stuff), about €2 Billion a season. Jaysus! First World problems!

Fescue · 22-07-2014 04:31PM

K-9 wrote: »

I seriously don't know where people get this view of Wisdom, he seems to be getting treated the right way, loan to Championship, then WBA and should be ready to fit into the squad next season. Whiff of Sterling about this stuff.

Good blog piece on the tour.

He must have got his own private jet over seeing as according to twitter reports he wasn't on the plane yesterday!

Johnson growing more hair is a good sign, shows a competitive streak {get it?) in the important luvly hair competition.

Nothing particularly new there, well apart from Markovic should be a "fine" player at least.

My personal bit was the Borini song. suarezistheman?

Why send Wisdom out on loan and then draft in another young right back from Spain with less experience and a year younger?

I thought after his fine year at Derby he would challenge Glenjo this season. Signing Manquillo suggests to me Wisdom is not rated by the club.

Underpaid Mike · 22-07-2014 04:34PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

So Liverpool were watched 36 million times last season on all channels?

Ok first off its not my table
It is an follow on from a sporting intelligence article which I posted
A guy on reddit adjusted the table out of curiosity to see what it would look like if there wasnt a set fee agree for tv rights like in other countries.

The 36m viewership figure is simply his total revenue figure divided by the £m per viewers number in the right hand column. It is far from data science. It is meant as a "what if"

And for the third time it will make more sense if you actually read the article instead of asking me questions about it :eek:

Raif Severance · 22-07-2014 04:38PM

Fescue wrote: »

Why send Wisdom out on loan and then draft in another young right back from Spain with less experience and a year younger?

I thought after his fine year at Derby he would challenge Glenjo this season. Signing Manquillo suggests to me Wisdom is not rated by the club.

I don't think Rodgers and Co. see Wisdom as a RB for Liverpool.

I think he's being Groomed to be a Future CB for us. That's why he's being Sent on Loan, to Gain more Experience.

Fescue · 22-07-2014 04:38PM

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Ok first off its not my table
It is an follow on from a sporting intelligence article which I posted
A guy on reddit adjusted the table out of curiosity to see what it would look like if there wasnt a set fee agree for tv rights like in other countries.

The 36m viewership figure is simply his total revenue figure divided by the £m per viewers number in the right hand column. It is far from data science. It is meant as a "what if"

And for the third time it will make more sense if you actually read the article instead of asking me questions about it :eek:

I don't understand this table, can you break it down for me? Step by step.

Francie Barrett · 22-07-2014 04:40PM

Agree on Wisdom. He's a decent player, but from what I've seen, he's that bit too awkward to be a top full back and doesn't quite have the ability to command an area or read the game in order to make him a top centre back.

Fescue · 22-07-2014 04:41PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

I don't think Rodgers and Co. see Wisdom as a RB for Liverpool.

I think he's being Groomed to be a Future CB for us. That's why he's being Sent on Loan, to Gain more Experience.

He played the entire season at right back for Derby. If he plays at the centre for WBA, then sure he could be a potential centre back for us. I just felt he was ready this season to be part of the first team squad.

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