K-9 wrote: » Probably Rodgers feels he isn't quite ready and it's best for his overall development, that doesn't mean he has wrote him off or isn't rated. It's hard to know with young players, we'd all written off Flanagan last season (nobody wanted to take him on even for a loan) and we'd nothing much to go on for that, it wasn't as if he was on loan at a good standard or anything like that. Sterling got criticised too, even when he came in for his first couple of games, just because he wasn't tearing it up he's shyte, or similar stuff. The problem was he was playing well enough, our play just wasn't as good as it later became for him to blossom. And well, he was a bit rusty after 6 months or more out of first team football. We get criticised for our use of the loan system and rightly so. Ibe hardly got much time at Birmingham, same happened with a few youths over the last few seasons. This one seems exactly the right thing to do, send him to a good coach (McClaren is despite his faults) at a good standard, now send him to a EPL club with a manager and coach Rodgers seems to know and rate, knows he'll be in good hands. So, there's a balance between sending them to lower leagues, getting little experience and then expecting them to be ready for the squad, or doing a Chelsea which doesn't seem to work either. They can afford to waste tens of millions invested in the youth set up, we can't. We need to be getting a couple of good prospects coming through every season. Manquillo, if you look at it a different way, could well be a "loan to see how Wisdom gets on" type thing, if Wisdom does well not much need to buy him, or if both do well, cheerio Glenjo. I do rate Wisdom, think he's the potential to be a decent squad player at the very least. Did very well all things considered when played for the first team in big matches when he got thrown in at the deep end.
Raif Severance wrote: » We've got alot of Senior CBs in the Squad, ahead of Wisdom in the Pecking Order. So even if we've Kept him, it will be hard for him to get some Game-Time. And getting Game-Time as well as Experience, is the most Important Thing right now, for a Young Player like Wisdom. I mean, just look at Kelly. If we are not going to loan Wisdom, then he's going to be like him. Always at Liverpool, but rarely gets to play.
Agent Coulson wrote: » I am reading on different sites that Marco Reus is going to do the dirt on Dortmund next season and join Bayern the same way Gotze did. So I guess that rule him out of a move here or anywhere else.
Fescue wrote: » Why send Wisdom out on loan and then draft in another young right back from Spain with less experience and a year younger? I thought after his fine year at Derby he would challenge Glenjo this season. Signing Manquillo suggests to me Wisdom is not rated by the club.
Fescue wrote: » He played the entire season at right back for Derby. If he plays at the centre for WBA, then sure he could be a potential centre back for us. I just felt he was ready this season to be part of the first team squad.
Underpaid Mike wrote: » Ok first off its not my table It is an follow on from a sporting intelligence article which I posted A guy on reddit adjusted the table out of curiosity to see what it would look like if there wasnt a set fee agree for tv rights like in other countries. The 36m viewership figure is simply his total revenue figure divided by the £m per viewers number in the right hand column. It is far from data science. It is meant as a "what if" And for the third time it will make more sense if you actually read the article instead of asking me questions about it :eek:
Raif Severance wrote: » I don't think Rodgers and Co. see Wisdom as a RB for Liverpool. I think he's being Groomed to be a Future CB for us. That's why he's being Sent on Loan, to Gain more Experience.
Rayne Wooney wrote: » So Liverpool were watched 36 million times last season on all channels?
K-9 wrote: » I seriously don't know where people get this view of Wisdom, he seems to be getting treated the right way, loan to Championship, then WBA and should be ready to fit into the squad next season. Whiff of Sterling about this stuff. Good blog piece on the tour. He must have got his own private jet over seeing as according to twitter reports he wasn't on the plane yesterday! Johnson growing more hair is a good sign, shows a competitive streak {get it?) in the important luvly hair competition. Nothing particularly new there, well apart from Markovic should be a "fine" player at least. My personal bit was the Borini song. suarezistheman?
K-9 wrote: » Just looking at the total number of games and nothing else (don't know enough otherwise tbh) it looks like it is all games. BT were limited in the amount of games they could show from one club, about 10 IIRC, and that was used up in January. Obviously didn't expect us to be in a title challenge or competing for 4th for that matter! Added bonus of not listening to Owen for half a season.
Rayne Wooney wrote: » I'm not talking about the cash part, I think those viewership figures are based on BT alone which is a bit misleading because they showed more Liverpool games than any other team and therefore would have had a lot more Liverpool subscribers than Sky or Setanta.
Underpaid Mike wrote: » Did you not read the article? It says they were shown 28 times across sky and BT and explains where the money comes from including MOTD etc
Each club also gets a variable amount depending on how many times they were shown live on Sky or BT this season. Every club got a minimum of £8.6m from this pot, even if they were shown as rarely as Stoke (just seven live televised games). Liverpool, shown 28 times, got £21.9m in these ‘facility fees’.
Underpaid Mike wrote: » Full overview of the cash herehttp://www.sportingintelligence.com/2014/05/14/where-the-money-went-liverpool-top-premier-league-prize-cash-in-2013-14-140501/
Underpaid Mike wrote: » If tv cash was paid out on viewership figures for each team over the season it would look like this. (not done by me but by some nerd on reddit fyi)
Rayne Wooney wrote: » Is that not just for BT?
Every club gets an ‘equal’ share of £52,198,111, which derives from domestic TV income (£21,631,444 per club), overseas income (£26,295,817) and commercial income (£4,270,850). Every club then gets another sum depending on league position, worth £1,236,083 per place in the table, from that sum for bottom-placed Cardiff to £24,721,600 to winners City. Each club also gets a variable amount depending on how many times they were shown live on Sky or BT this season. Every club got a minimum of £8.6m from this pot, even if they were shown as rarely as Stoke (just seven live televised games). Liverpool, shown 28 times, got £21.9m in these ‘facility fees’. This season’s rewards are a huge leap on last season’s TV income, with Liverpool earning £42.7m more than season than last, for example. Clubs have three main revenue streams: match day income (from tickets, corporate dining etcetera), media income (of which the payments listed are the largest but not the only part) and commercial income (from kit deals, sponsorship, merchandise, tours and so on).
ardinn wrote: » If Barca are a day late with the rest of the payment for Suarez we should take him back! And keep the 54m. That'd be great business!!
ArmaniJeanss wrote: » Not really that crazy, other clubs are also free to make their own TV deals but have chosen to go a collective route. But ultimately if an EPL team wished to go it alone then there would be nothing to stop them (though it would cause a major earthquake throughout the English game obviously).
K-9 wrote: » Good blog piece on the tour. He must have got his own private jet over seeing as according to twitter reports he wasn't on the plane yesterday!
rarnes1 wrote: » Sure about that?
