Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Anyone able to translate? :pac::pac:

http://impresa.elmercurio.com/Pages/NewsDetail.aspx?dt=2014-07-20&dtB=20-07-2014%200:00:00&PaginaId=12&bodyid=4

Manchester United offers Vidal salary Van Persie

Chile is the obsession of the "Reds Devils"

While Manchester United start a tour in Los Angeles, United States, the leadership of the English club works full for reinforcements who wants the new coach Louis van Gaal.
In that list, one of the priorities is the Chilean Arturo Vidal. And to achieve this, the "Reds Devils" are willing to offer the Chilean at least the same salary of Robin van Persie: 18 million dollars annually.
The intention of the British box is fast reaching an agreement with the player, even before Juventus, owned her pass. For this they are willing to exceed the salary flywheel receives Chilean World Cup today's most popular box Italy.
After renew until 2017, Vidal became the highest-paid player template of Turin, with revenues approaching U.S. $ 15 million per season.
Result of the business, "King Arthur" is transformed along with Dutch striker in the second highest paid of red. Highest salary is Wayne Rooney, who after renewing his contract receives $ 27 million annually.
The main stumbling block is another. Aside from the $ 67 million that Juventus set to sell as floor-although sporting director Giuseppe Marotta said that "the player is not for sale", "Juve" need-to cash, the state of the operated knee Arturo Vidal remains concerned in Manchester.
It is more. Officials of the "Red Devils" have made several calls to physicians Chilean team to tell them how it is really the meniscus after the operation he underwent the wheel on May 7 last and participation Brazil in the World Cup, which was infiltrated everyday.
However, the crack of the Red has already some signs that would not follow the "Vecchia Signora", because according to the Italian press published, "Celia Punk" sold the house where he lived in Turin, and all statements has made after World has avoided ratifying its continuity in the Italian champions.
$ 27 million
is the current salary of Wayne Rooney in Manchester United. It is by far the best paid footballer in the red insert.

Apprently Nedved (Juve director) said this -

"Certainly, if there was a high bid [for Vidal], we would have to think about it." [via Gazzetta dell Sport]

Cantstandsya wrote: »

The press are creating a narrative for LvG, he's a genius plain and simple. The Moyes narrative was that he was a nice guy but out of his depth at United. Whatever happens this season, regardless of results, will be interpreted through the lens of LvG the genius while everything last season was interpreted through the lens of David Moyes the out of his depth bumbler. I wonder who will get the blame in the press if LvG fails? It won't be him that's for sure. It's pretty bizarre.

Eh, sorry for the long ramble, just a thought that had been knocking around in my head so thought I'd stick it up here and see if anyone agrees or if I'm just being a bit silly :-)

Definitely cannot agree on the media narrative for Moyes, at least until the very, very end. He had every conceivable excuse made for him and was given free pass after free pass on the media.

- The shambolic transfer window was 'unlicly' and not his fault, but hey... HE GOT FELLAINI! In truth both he and Woodward were each massively to blame, though Ed has done a good job making amends in more recent times, and both did deserve a slight let off due to Ferguson and Gill each leaving together.

- The early terrible results were just "unlucky", when they were a direct result of his awful, 90s tactics and small club mentality that led to hit sh***ing his pants and telling the team to revert into a shell the moment we had a lead.

- It wasn't his fault we were doing so poorly, it was the players. Now nobody is going to argue we had a top end squad last year, but it was the exact same team (plus Fellaini) that Ferguson had finished on 89pts with two straight years, one of which was without van Persie. By the time he was sacked if I recall Moyes was on pace for 62pts.

- The players were being unprofessional and trying to sabotage him by not putting in any effort. Which completely ignored that fact that this developed throughout the season due to idiotic things like playing Ferdinand into the ground early in the year (he was still a good defender if used sparingly) and putting a very physical/fitness based emphasis on training rather than training and to hinge. This included for older players like Giggs and Ferdinand and guaranteed running them into the ground before any games even kicked off. The immediate replacing of Rene Meulensteen (one of the finest coaches in the world) to "make his mark" was a great example of this and conveniently was never mentioned.

- He was lauded for his successes in Europe which involved topping a very weak group, just about barely squeezing by Olympiakos in the knockouts and finally going out to Bayern admittedly in somewhat admirable fashion.

- Finally comments like "we are happy with a draw, Cardiff is a tough place to come to" and "we hope to some day be ad good a football club as Man City" by and large got a free pass, but that is where the media began to turn on him. Even after Giggs' first game in charge there were a lot of comments about "see, it wasn't Moyes' fault! Just the players not doing g their part for him" etc etc.

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Who knows what we will see with LvG of things go wrong, but he has shown a continuity and respect to the club with Giggs being retained, Butt and Scholes looking like they may have roles, his teams' styles of play typically synch up well with how Man Utd traditionally approach the game, and he has a big, proud personality much like Ferguson on top of achieving success everywhere he has gone Barri g his first stint as Dutch manager (I would consider third place with that team this year as a success). That's is very different to what we saw from when Moyes came in, and positively so.

Losing 1-0 to Bray at HT.